MARTIAN MANHUNTER VS HULK

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@blacharrt said:

"1) Hulk isn't superman, and he's driven by rage so doing that would only make him madder and less and less affected by him.  That wouldn't work with the Hurt  2) see point 1, if angered enough he will reach world break status and start throwing energy around.  If he decides to stay in that form he won't win. 3) you haven't proven that at all.  MM has been knocked around by BA,, Superman, superman prime etc. He can be beaten down by someone with greater strength then him, which Hulk is.  He won't win with the tactic you are thinking of.  He didn't work when vision did it it won't work now.  How about he just stays out of the Hulk way because clearly that's your tactic in the fight place. "

@blacharrt said:

"@clarkkent2012 said:

" @blacharrt:
MM is one of DC's most powerful telepaths, he has made the Joker sane for a while, do you know who the Joker is? he has killed millions, crippled, and raped and MM cured him for a bit, yeah Hulk's gonna be a problem, and he can fight invisible, face it, your logic fails
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the joker who is baseline human, that's suppose to be a major accomplishment?  Yes i know who the joker is don't be silly.  Hulk has resisted the likes of the Phoenix, Professor X, Cable, Onslaught, Apocalypse, Emma Frost, Dr. Strange mental influence  etc.  Do you know who Professor X is, he turn Magneto into an average senior citizen for a time after he took over Manhattan and killed millions.  And Magneto has telepathic resistance.  My logic is sound, i'm waiting on you to come up with a good argument and a feat like Jonn cured the joker for a time, isn't going to cut it.  Tell me something during the Whole Identity Crisis how come jonn wasn't the one that figured out Zantanna Mind wiped people, and screwed up doctor light? ... hmmmmmm  I read IC, Jonn didn't take down prime, you just showed him hitting him... a lot of people hit him, that scan means nothing.  Holding up the ice is a nice feat, it's almost comparable.  150 billion ton mountain made of various stones and metals would be heavier than his melting block of ice, that is shown to be in a state of change, and most likely has air bubbles in it making it lighter.  Nice attempt though. "

ok blacharrt mm is one of the most powerful telepaths in dc yes he made joker sane for a while which is a massive feat as he did it on the spot not years of telepathic healing, i was showing MM using his invisiblity and phasing and morphing in combat cause you said no one posted evidence, why would that make our logic fail. Hulk has resisted the likes of pheonix, um when and how did he?, professor x, ok i know he did for the proffeser and emma but thats world war hulk after al lthe stuff that happened to him no one could telepathicalyl assault him but normal hulk isnt like that which this is. ive never seen him resisted cable at his height of power in telepathy, onslaught lead him to him than angered him to rip his armour so onslaught could evolve. Apocalypse physically restrained him im not sure what you meant by that, dr. strange mental influence maybe but in world war hulk dr strange coulda taken out hulk with 1 word but went down cause he was doing evil things. Im not sure about the identity crisis never read it but i think john was in on it sorry, John didnt take down prime your right he got the beat down like every other hero on the planet i was showing him using his ablities in combat.  holding up the ice is a nice feat, its almost comparable? the ice was near twice the size of a pyramid putting it at near 300,000,000,000 tons. as he carried that to mars not struggled to hold up a mountain with everyone trying to make you angry im not sure people know what went on in the hulk feat lol.  Also the ice was melting on the way which means it was a bit bigger when he left than it was shown.  
 
Ok to the top part your right hulk isnt superman and is driven by rage and a normal state martain manhunter eclipses hulk in strength, but after a few hours hulk would be getting at his level though the fight wont last that long martain manhunter could knock him out quickly or mindrape him, your know the anger he had and how long it took to get that angry for him to reach world breaker statue right, theres no way all that happens in this fight and MM doesnt want to wait around a few months for hulk to get  ultra angry. the gamma radaition he throws around will destoy the enviroment there on and after a walk the world but martain manhunter would just fly away while hulk destoys what hes standing on so thats not gonna help hulk at all. Hulk cant stay in that form or anyform on willpower its anger related though he can leave it by calming down. MM put up a good fight against BA bty and sorta against superboy prime but was uneffective. Also martain manhunter can use his powersat there max to temprorily get as powerful as superman so hed bust hulk up quickly if he went like that. Martain manhunter can also do that as a tactic since hes physically superior for the first few hours and can phase threw hulks hits while hulk cant see him so hows that not going to work pls explain and make sure you take note of everything i just mentioned. Also martian manhunter could put up illusions for hulk to greatly assist him in the fight or like hed do easy and everyone knows just shut his brain off since this aint super pissed WWH.

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" @blacharrt said:

"1) Hulk isn't superman, and he's driven by rage so doing that would only make him madder and less and less affected by him.  That wouldn't work with the Hurt  2) see point 1, if angered enough he will reach world break status and start throwing energy around.  If he decides to stay in that form he won't win. 3) you haven't proven that at all.  MM has been knocked around by BA,, Superman, superman prime etc. He can be beaten down by someone with greater strength then him, which Hulk is.  He won't win with the tactic you are thinking of.  He didn't work when vision did it it won't work now.  How about he just stays out of the Hulk way because clearly that's your tactic in the fight place. "

 
1) Superman>>>>Hulk, MM can get through Hulk's durability 
2) WBH is pointless, if WBH will try and blow up earth in footsteps then MM will fly to another planet 
3) Black Adam, Superman, Superman Prime>>>>>>>>>>>Hulk

 
MM CAN go invisible and fight him, if he finds he isn't winning then he will do so, he's not dumb, and if he goes invisible then Hulk can't see or attack him, he can go invisible and speed blitz him, and Hulk will be useless, he can turn hollow so Hulk can't fight him, he can use this tactic, if he has to do 
 
MM wins, he holds back angainst some people, but not Hulk
   

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Ok to the top part your right hulk isnt superman and is driven by rage and a normal state martain manhunter eclipses hulk in strength, but after a few hours hulk would be getting at his level though the fight wont last that long martain manhunter could knock him out quickly or mindrape him, your know the anger he had and how long it took to get that angry for him to reach world breaker statue right, theres no way all that happens in this fight and MM doesnt want to wait around a few months for hulk to get  ultra angry. the gamma radaition he throws around will destoy the enviroment there on and after a walk the world but martain manhunter would just fly away while hulk destoys what hes standing on so thats not gonna help hulk at all. Hulk cant stay in that form or anyform on willpower its anger related though he can leave it by calming down. MM put up a good fight against BA bty and sorta against superboy prime but was uneffective. Also martain manhunter can use his powersat there max to temprorily get as powerful as superman so hed bust hulk up quickly if he went like that. Martain manhunter can also do that as a tactic since hes physically superior for the first few hours and can phase threw hulks hits while hulk cant see him so hows that not going to work pls explain and make sure you take note of everything i just mentioned. Also martian manhunter could put up illusions for hulk to greatly assist him in the fight or like hed do easy and everyone knows just shut his brain off since this aint super pissed WWH.

blacharrt mm is one of the most powerful telepaths in dc yes he made joker sane for a while which is a massive feat as he did it on the spot not years of telepathic healing, i was showing MM using his invisiblity and phasing and morphing in combat cause you said no one posted evidence, why would that make our logic fail. Hulk has resisted the likes of pheonix, um when and how did he?, professor x, ok i know he did for the proffeser and emma but thats world war hulk after al lthe stuff that happened to him no one could telepathicalyl assault him but normal hulk isnt like that which this is. ive never seen him resisted cable at his height of power in telepathy, onslaught lead him to him than angered him to rip his armour so onslaught could evolve. Apocalypse physically restrained him im not sure what you meant by that, dr. strange mental influence maybe but in world war hulk dr strange coulda taken out hulk with 1 word but went down cause he was doing evil things. Im not sure about the identity crisis never read it but i think john was in on it sorry, John didnt take down prime your right he got the beat down like every other hero on the planet i was showing him using his ablities in combat.  holding up the ice is a nice feat, its almost comparable? the ice was near twice the size of a pyramid putting it at near 300,000,000,000 tons. as he carried that to mars not struggled to hold up a mountain with everyone trying to make you angry im not sure people know what went on in the hulk feat lol.  Also the ice was melting on the way which means it was a bit bigger when he left than it was shown.  
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" @clarkkent2012 said:

" @blacharrt said:

"1) Hulk isn't superman, and he's driven by rage so doing that would only make him madder and less and less affected by him.  That wouldn't work with the Hurt  2) see point 1, if angered enough he will reach world break status and start throwing energy around.  If he decides to stay in that form he won't win. 3) you haven't proven that at all.  MM has been knocked around by BA,, Superman, superman prime etc. He can be beaten down by someone with greater strength then him, which Hulk is.  He won't win with the tactic you are thinking of.  He didn't work when vision did it it won't work now.  How about he just stays out of the Hulk way because clearly that's your tactic in the fight place. "

 
1) Superman>>>>Hulk, MM can get through Hulk's durability 
2) WBH is pointless, if WBH will try and blow up earth in footsteps then MM will fly to another planet 
3) Black Adam, Superman, Superman Prime>>>>>>>>>>>Hulk

 
MM CAN go invisible and fight him, if he finds he isn't winning then he will do so, he's not dumb, and if he goes invisible then Hulk can't see or attack him, he can go invisible and speed blitz him, and Hulk will be useless, he can turn hollow so Hulk can't fight him, he can use this tactic, if he has to do 
 
MM wins, he holds back angainst some people, but not Hulk
   

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1. that's your opinion 2) either way he can't do anything to the Hulk.  How long is he going to remain intangible is a 1 on 1 fight.  I'd doubt he would.  Never has been shown on panel that MM resisted fighting by staying intangible.  So saying he would do it this entire fight is completely out of character and lame. 3) again your opinion, Hulk stopped a planet from being ripped apart with his hands, destroy reality warping armor with a punch, Was able to shift the whole east coast with 1 foot stomp, lifting 150 billion tons by himself, and destroyed two asteroids the size of earth solo.  Except for Prime, Superman has never done any of that neither has Black Adam.  And if you say they are so great, show me a feat that compares.  But you can't because you don't have any.  Nothing you have said or shown proves MM is stronger than Hulk, because none of his strength feats even compare. "

" @Valtot said:

 
Ok to the top part your right hulk isnt superman and is driven by rage and a normal state martain manhunter eclipses hulk in strength, but after a few hours hulk would be getting at his level though the fight wont last that long martain manhunter could knock him out quickly or mindrape him, your know the anger he had and how long it took to get that angry for him to reach world breaker statue right, theres no way all that happens in this fight and MM doesnt want to wait around a few months for hulk to get  ultra angry. the gamma radaition he throws around will destoy the enviroment there on and after a walk the world but martain manhunter would just fly away while hulk destoys what hes standing on so thats not gonna help hulk at all. Hulk cant stay in that form or anyform on willpower its anger related though he can leave it by calming down. MM put up a good fight against BA bty and sorta against superboy prime but was uneffective. Also martain manhunter can use his powersat there max to temprorily get as powerful as superman so hed bust hulk up quickly if he went like that. Martain manhunter can also do that as a tactic since hes physically superior for the first few hours and can phase threw hulks hits while hulk cant see him so hows that not going to work pls explain and make sure you take note of everything i just mentioned. Also martian manhunter could put up illusions for hulk to greatly assist him in the fight or like hed do easy and everyone knows just shut his brain off since this aint super pissed WWH.

blacharrt mm is one of the most powerful telepaths in dc yes he made joker sane for a while which is a massive feat as he did it on the spot not years of telepathic healing, i was showing MM using his invisiblity and phasing and morphing in combat cause you said no one posted evidence, why would that make our logic fail. Hulk has resisted the likes of pheonix, um when and how did he?, professor x, ok i know he did for the proffeser and emma but thats world war hulk after al lthe stuff that happened to him no one could telepathicalyl assault him but normal hulk isnt like that which this is. ive never seen him resisted cable at his height of power in telepathy, onslaught lead him to him than angered him to rip his armour so onslaught could evolve. Apocalypse physically restrained him im not sure what you meant by that, dr. strange mental influence maybe but in world war hulk dr strange coulda taken out hulk with 1 word but went down cause he was doing evil things. Im not sure about the identity crisis never read it but i think john was in on it sorry, John didnt take down prime your right he got the beat down like every other hero on the planet i was showing him using his ablities in combat.  holding up the ice is a nice feat, its almost comparable? the ice was near twice the size of a pyramid putting it at near 300,000,000,000 tons. as he carried that to mars not struggled to hold up a mountain with everyone trying to make you angry im not sure people know what went on in the hulk feat lol.  Also the ice was melting on the way which means it was a bit bigger when he left than it was shown.  
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 1) there is no doubt that he is strong i don't dispute that, but you're claiming that he's stronger than the Hulk.   Which you haven't proven by showing that he can hit people who are strong.  In a confrontation with the Hulk Cable was only able to get away from him with Hulk from storm, that was after Cable him battled a first time.  Cable lost. Onslaught didn't let Hulk destroy his armor or purpose or easily, he had to get him angry enough to be able to do it.  if he simply him crack the armor then any powerhouse could do it.  It was even state in that comic that Hulk was the only one out of phoenix, hercules, thor, etc who could do it.    Jonn actually wasn't in on it. Flash was the one who figured things out, and Batman was P*ed off that they played with his mind.  Shortly after that when Dr. Light got his memories back he own the entire Teen Titan roaster.  Jonn being the most powerful telepath in DC and detective couldn't connect the dots.  As for the Ice, the of weight can depend on various things, so unless you have some evidence and not just speculation it's just your opinion. "

Martian Manhunter !!!!!!

Was this worth bumping?

This should be closed all ready.

threads older than a year should be closed

@theTimeStreamer said:

threads older than a year should be closed

That.... doesn't maker sense..

@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek: in a year it would get all the posts it can. instead of a new guy posting a comment that has been posted several times but never took the time to read previous posts. lock it and let people make a new one since the person that posts will start the debate from scratch anyway.

Manhunter wrecks.

@Vortex14 said:

Martian Manhunter !!!!!!

Posting in a thread

• Is an old thread a clear spite match and you're bumping it just to point that out? Don't post, just flag it and a mod will likely lock it.
• If you're going to bump a very old thread, bring something new to the table. It's rather silly to bump something like "Deadpool vs Wolverine" with a post that only says "Deadpool" if it has been idle for over a year. I assure you, that's not changing any minds.

@Ancient_0f_Days: Funny.

@Vortex14 said:

@Ancient_0f_Days: Funny.

Whats funnier is posting in a year old thread like anyone's really gonna debate anymore ...

Why wasn't this locked ten minutes after creation?

@DC_Marvel_1000said:

MM destroys hulk

You can't even take Hulk threads seriously here anymore

I Think MM easily.. he shiftin to Betty and Hulk cool of or He shapeshifting, so strong, unveulnurable MM easily...

J'onn.

J'onn most likely, Hulk can pull of a win if lucky tho.

MM wrecks Hulk.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

MM wrecks Hulk.

Yep. Speed kills. MM is way out of Hulk's league in the speed department.

@dccomicsrule2011 said:

MM wrecks Hulk.

MM all the way

Maybe Hulk if MM has morals on... right?

he could phaze through hulk and do some damage but if mm attacks any other way he gets smashed.

MM can go intangible and phase his hand into Hulk's head, He could Speedblitz Hulk, He could use his atomic vision to scramble the Hulk's atoms, He telepathically make Hulk his b*tch; I don't see MMh loses in any situation. Martian Manhunter ftw 10/10

@dondave:

telepathy isn't a good way to beat hulk it is very stressful and difficult and would take multiple attempts speed blitz wouldn't work cause hulk could tank the hits and just get stronger and currently he starts off as strong as manhunter.

the phasing trick might work if hulk don't heal to fast.

and hulk has hit intangible opponents before hulk wins more than not.

Telepathy has worked on the Hulk, most recently in Avengers Assemble, his mind was described as weak, I don't see Martian Manhunter doing the same thing.

He won't be able to tank repeated unanswered blows from Martian Mnahunter

MM ftw... But if its WBH, stalemate...

@dondave:

yes he will because after each punch his durability and healing factor and strength will increase so each hit will soften the next. fair enough I was going by the peter david hulk he has always had a very strong telepathy defense.

That hasn't stopped him from being knocked out before

@dondave:

but it's rare it's a possibility but hulk had been hit harder than what manhunter can throw at him and stood up to it just depends on how mad he is or the writer I think the Peter David hulk the last time we saw him would easily stand up to manhunter physically and be able to push him out of his mind.

same with pak's hulk.

I haven't seen single scan from MM.. (I skipped page 2 though)? Neither a Alsace for Hulk.. So like.. Are y'all debating or is the a pissing match to see which side gets more "Hulk wins" or "MM wins" !

Btw ! If its savage Hulk.. MM wins ! If current Hulk.. Could go either way (even though current is savage but he's stronger than his previous savage showings) of its WWH.. Stalemate ! He's not putting that Hulk down and MM could probably stay away with phasing or flight.. He's eventually have to get physical but until People start debating with feats and not Fanboyism on both sides of the aisle.. Stalemate.. If WBH.. Hulk wins !

Now come at me with feats of you want to debate and ill do the same !! :)

@dondave:

oh yeah I forgot avengers assemble isn't cannon it was created to give the new fans who just watched the avengers movie and wanted some avengers a good jumping on point so it doesn't count.

It is canon

@dondave:

no it was stated by the writer it isn't part normal universe.

When was this?

Bendis was adamant that Avengers Assemble was canon to the 616 universe hence why there are more Marvel characters than seen in the MCU

MM for sure, Hulk wont be able to touch time...literally

@dondave:

I can't find the interview now but when avx was coming out they were interviewing him about it and he said it was just a side story made to entertain newer fans who didn't want to jump into a big summer event.

That doesn't make it non-canon

It's currently in a crossover with the Captain Marvel series which is canon to Marvel 616 Universe

@dondave:

it must of sold good enough for them to change their minds.

There was nothing to say it was non-canon in the first place

then what is your definition of non-cannon.

OK, this section is overrun by DC fanboys. You guys keep stating that oh MMH can fly, can turn intangible, and shapeshift, and has telekinesis.

1) Its almost impossible to control the Hulk. When certain villains want to use the Hulk to destroy the avengers (mainly Loki), they just set him off at a rage. They know the Hulk is nearly impossible to control, but very easy to set off. So thats what they do. Seeing the MMH is fighting someone who derives his powers from raw anger, I doubt he'd want to do that.

2) As for shape-shifting into Betty Ross...he'd need a while of complete concentration in the Hulk's brain to decipher who Hulk likes. I doubt he knows about Betty Ross, in order to find out, he'd need a while in Hulk's head. Which would mean complete concentration. That is nearly impossible, given the dual personalities(Banner and the Hulk), Bruce's trauma, Hulk's chaos, not to mention the fact the Hulk can resist extreme mind control, I don't think he will find out about Betty. And any other shape he takes, the Hulk will defeat. We're talking about someone who took out Onslaught here.

3) Hulk may not be able to do anything to MMH while he is intangible, but then again, if you're intangible, you can't really do anything to Hulk either. Besides, he can't stay intangible forever, just like Hulk can't hold his breath forever.

4) MMH can fly, but this is the Hulk. He can jump so high, he can literally swat Iron Man, Thor, Yellowjacket, etc. out of the sky. Flying doesn't do MMH any good.

5) You're assuming MMH's strength is on par with the Hulk's. Beyonder states that the Hulk's potential strength has no finite limit, and the angrier he gets (and seeing MMH's power, he will probably revert to World War form), the stronger he gets.

6) The Hulk isn't slow. He has super human speed. Certainly not on par with MMH, but with one clap, he can send MMH back to where he came from

7) The Hulk is extremely unpredictable. He can have bursts of intelligence, or he can go completely mindless, and can change tactics throughout battle.

8) No one can save MMH if Hulk gets ahold of a flamethrower

Conclusion: MMH is extremely powerful, but he cannot beat Hulk in 10 seconds, or beat the green off of the Hulk like many people on this discussion claim. I would actually place my money on the Hulk. He can lift Manhattan, cause 9.0 earthquakes without trying, and destroyed the physical form of onslaught. Hulk over MMH in my opinion.

Hasn't this been done enough?

Going with MM

MM in a horrible stomp, He's Supes with added ghost powers

My vote goes to the green one