The Fire Nation was capable if fighting the Southern Water Tribe with sheer numbers and weaponry like spears or nets. Why are you telling me this? Of course they can fight in the cold...My point was that they are weak. In both scenerios the Fire Nation needed an army and technological advancement to stand a chance whether it was day or night. The cold icy environment only benefited the waterbenders why else would they bring all of that equipment if they weren't weakened, it was even stated by both Zhao and Iroh that the North has managed to survive the war because of this.
Come on now, when Zhao brings the entire Fire Navy and try to kill the moon, just to fight a small platoon of ice warriors, you know they were at a major disadvantage.
They can still fight in the cold, only losing their powers in very extreme cold. Just like they can still fight effectively at night. The only time they're maybe at a more noticeable disadvantage is when fighting waterbenders at night, because waterbending is simultaneously amped. If it wasn't for that, the difference wouldn't be particularly noticeable, any more than looking at how water benders do during the day vs at night
Yeah. Really it seems to go like this: Firebenders can fight effectively at night in a normal environment with your typical night temperatures but they get a drastic drop in abilities when in a arctic winterland for too long especially with no sun. Pakku was soloing an entire fleet on his own at night:
Even when the sun was out the firebending fodder were getting stomped by the waterbending fodder capable of flipping tanks.
Lol yes it was small. Rewatch the episode. If the numbers aren't small to you it will be small in contrast to this:
There were just enough warriors to cover the wall and all of them weren't even benders, by night it's clear they lost a few:
No more than 20 hooded waterbenders(apparently 5 now) isn't small? Look at who they are up against:
Regardless if you think Bolin's lava will or won't boost Mako it won't change the fact that Mako can counter lavabending with his much more powerful firebending.
Bolin doesn't have a single advantage over Mako. Big bro could use small scale fire blasts combined with his agility to win. Or he could just as easily flood the area in fire. If Bolin even has the chance to charge his lavabending Mako will effectively counter with fire on the same scale or just run over the lava pools.
Well yes actually. For one they are all voluntary warriors. Two they are sexist so they don't let women fight.
Yes it does if he can generate an equal amount of fire, which he can...
When did I say he did? I just showed you a gif of Mako bending a large wave of fire, but now I am gonna say it.
Mako would be capable of generating that much fire if he charges it in the same manner Bolin charges his lava. If he was capable of bending such a large amount of fire here he would be capable of generating it because it is within his bending capacity obviously. Mako is also older than Bolin so...
Unless of course you want to try and say he can't but clearly he could. If he wasn't capable of generating large amounts of fire than he wouldn't have been capable of defending against a blast of that size. Clear evidence that says he can:
No point in further arguing against this. Both these gifs show Mako generating more than Bolin ever shown. The second one in particular trumps every feat Bolin has. If Mako was capable of charging a full scale dual lightning bolt that was strong enough to rival Spirit Energy,and then cause it to overload and explode, than the amount of fire he could've generated would've been insane! Lightning is harder to pull off than fire and it requires extreme focus and clear state of mind.
On the topic of lightning, Mako would speed blitz his brother if he wanted to. His lightning kept him anchored in place while the spirit core was going insane. This is what happened when Mako's fire touched it:
Mako's lightning kept him rooted in place while also providing a little protection from spirit rays and explosions, he would've been capable of 1v1 with P'li, heck Combustion Man.
He's so powerful his body started to flow with electricity resulting in a sick overload of the two energies clashing that burnt him.
Bolin doesn't stand a chance.
@arcus1:LMAO I'M DEAD! All Bolin did was bend the ground underneath it to flip it, he took advantage of a flawed design much like Korra putting water into it. What Bolin did wasn't impressive because Tenzin launched one stories into the air lol!
Also Mako is still stronger:
How could you forget this lol? If Mako wanted to he could have electrecuted all of the mechs but then there would be no plot or awesome fight scenes now would there?
@arcus1:Is overloading the spirit core supposed to show incredible power Bolin can't match? There's no reason to think that, no way to quantify the energy needed and somehow compare it directly to earth bending
Yes actually. The whole purpose of that scene was to show Mako giving it his all to destroy the Colossus. The amount of energy translated to earthbending is irrelevant. Just know that a prolonged bolt of lightning surpasses any feat of earthbending in terms of power.
How exactly is Mako doing any better than Zuko against Combustion Man? Lightning? Cause it was blatantly obvious that Zuko couldn't do anything against Combustion Man. Best he cooks manage was struggling to block a single blast
Mako can fly, making him more agile than Zuko. It was blatantly obvious that Zuko didn't even firebend at Combustion Man, just kick him. Zuko then perfectly blocked his attack and came out unscathed. Yes I know he slid off the cliff side but he still protected himself.
Mako has blocked an explosion from a combustionbender before, he will be fine:
Of course Mako can jet propel himself to dodge them too.
Why is it stronger, and how does that translate to this fight?
...It's stronger because it was charged and it will obliterate Bolin's earth.
Mako can use jet propulsion, he can't fly. Zaheer can fly
It still classifies as flight when he is capable of moving while airborne.
Yes Zuko shielded himself, but he still got affected, and there's no reason to think he could have shielded himself from successive blasts. Combustion Man didn't follow up his attack because he thought Zuko fell to his death
Zuko was no affected at all. His fire vortex completely shielded him, the blunt force of the explosion pushed himboff the ledge. Zuko in book 1 survived a stronger explosion and only came out with a few stratches, Combustion Man can't touch Zuko while his shield is up. If this didn't kill him, what will Sparky do?
..he and Bolin got hit by that explosion. At best he kept it from killing them
Yeah that's called defending against it. He used firebending to prevent the flames from reaching them thus only taking impact from the force of the explosion. He was surprised at combustionbending too so that's another reason he didn't react as well.
You're just assuming it will obliterate his earth, assuming Bolin tries to shield himself from it instead of dodging it. Besides, why would Bolin give Mako the extended time to charge a powerful bolt of lightning?
I'm not assuming. Lightning plows through earth, even mechs can do it. All Mako needs to do is charge the bolt for no longer than 3 seconds and he is done. His fire alone can destroy earth so why are you in disbelief? Why would Mako give Bolin the time to lavabend? Bolin is screwed, a pissed Mako is the worst Mako and he doesn't need to charge lightning for it to be powerful. Bolin will be pressured to hide behind a wall once Mako lashes out at him like this:
In what world is being knocked off a cliff completely unaffected? In both your examples they were clearly affected-they took impact
Lol your acting as if magically a cliff will appear for Zuko to fall off of each time he blocks a blast, that only happened in that one scenario. No they weren't. Sure they got flinged but they had no injuries at all.
Its not like he'll stop at one blast. If one blast doesn't do it, he'll follow up with another one, and the repeated attacks will wear him down. Blocking one attack doesn't mean you can block all of them
Where exactly is your proof suggesting they would become exhausted?
His shield blocked attacks from Desna and Eska, held up against Unalaq for a while, blocked attacks from Ghazan. Aang also blocked a blast from Azula
Unalaq and his children have lightning? Lol no, Aang never blocked lightning from Azula, that was fire it was even puffy looking and had blue flames spurt afterwards.
Well the writers are the ones who decide these things, whether you like it or not. And when has any firebender spammed multiple bolts in quick succession
The writers need to find a new career path...When has any firebender spammed multiple bolts in quick succession...you can't be serious:
Mako literally had a job that required him to spam lightning. Streaming counts as spam too.
Mako's offense isn't so overpowering that Bolin can't possibly respond. And it's kinda hypocritical of you to claim that Mako and Zuko can easily protect themselves from CM or P'li's offense and retaliate to win but Bolin can't possibly respond to Mako's offense
Mako and Zuko as firebenders are fast and can directly counter firebending. Bolin on the other hand has never shown the speed to react to Mako and when he was being flamethrowered by mechs he did nothing.
There was time between each of Ozai's bolts, plenty of time for someone as fast as Bollin to attack
Sorry never heard of a Bollin, sounds awfully familiar to Bolin though. Even if Bollin could, he wouldn't be doing it for long. Not even Aang could evade them all.
A continuous stream is not spamming
Yes it is. It is a single flow of lightning that the user can have follow you instead of repeatedly generating more bolts.
So, what, firebenders are faster than other benders automatically? You would think that. Bolin might not be quite as fast as Mako, but they're quite close, as evidenced by pro-bending
Firebenders are generally faster than other benders because of how aggressive there element is, so of course. They're style involves overwhelming you with powerful fast attacks. Bolin isn't anywhere as fast as Mako. There's a clear contrast between what happens in the ring and out of it. Bolin has never done this:
He got pinned down by three mechs, sure. There's not three of Mako
Huehue... Mako would've destroyed those mechs though.
So does that mean P'li can't put the guards down? Because that's what your logic would indicate
Apparently so. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When has a lightning bender made a stream of lightning follow a target?
Since they had joints that allowed them to move there arms, that's when...So you want to play this game with me? I've played it before.
Here Zolt moves his lightning bolt:
Do you have Alzheimer's?:
Mako moves his lightning throughout this entire scene. Incase you want to play hog-monkey and say Mako was moving his body with the bolt:
Your not the first person I've met to make this moot assumption.
@watcher_killer4: ...
Going with Bolin... Lightning is good in al but what is it when you can turn the battlefield in your favor... If Bolin stomps the ground it becomes lava and where is mako going to fight from?
Too bad Bolin can't do that. Mako is gonna be fighting from the air or 50 feet away from him. Lavabending does not grant him complete control.
Even so, no lighting bender has ever tracked a moving target with a continuous stream. In theory it could be possible, but that doesn't mean they're likely to do it. If it was so simple, someone would have done so
The only benders shown to stream lightning were never in a situation that called for them to track a target. Well Zolt tried against Amon but it was hopeless. Mako will stream it after Bolin.
Although I can agree Mako is a bit more agile than Bolin, Bolin is more versatile
I disagree. When it comes down to skillset Mako is the most versatile. Having traditional firebending, fire breath, jet propulsion, lightning generation, and physical advantage amped by being a lightningbender.
It's a possibility he could make cover for Mako's lightning, since Mako's lightning doesn't pierce rocks, but electrocute's enemies, so it would be an insulator to rock.
Lightning gets stronger depending on how long it's charged though and his firebending can break rock so there's no reason lightning can't. Azula's 3 second caused a rock slide.
I honestly think this could go either way, but if they really wanted to kill each-other I might side the slight majority with Bolin.
If it's blood-lust then I see Mako stomping extremely hard. He is capable of destroying Ghazan without too much effort.
Mako's jet propulsion lets him soar stories into the air, a height Bolin needed Lin to carry him to. This allows Mako to avoid Bolin's attacks rather easily while attacking from long distances with missiles that barely missed a speeding Amon.
Then why hasn't he ever done that? Why assume Mako can do all sorts of things he's never done?
Lmao who's assuming now? What is so hard to grasp about this? Let me break it down for you, okay?
Step 1: Mako covers hands in electricity
Step 2: Mako makes physical contact with Bolin
Bolin then gets electrocuted. Simple.
Not a hard move, just simple tactic.
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