@juiceboks said:
@serp777 said:
@juiceboks: I don't think that's true. Hulk still has iron in his blood because he's originally human, which means magneto can rip the iron out of his blood causing him to suffocate or causing his molecules to disintegrate. Also presumably magneto could fry his brain with a strong enough magnetic field since just like humans, the hulk needs some negatively or positively charged ions to conduct electrical current to make his brain work, thus allowing magneto to rip his brain apart or just stop it from being able to generate electrical impulses.
I think I also remember magneto having strong enough magnetic abilities to mess with captain america's shield and wolverine's skeleton, therefore demonstrating how insanely powerful he is, considering adamantium is the best material their universe.
Or magneto could always wrap some metal around hulk and send him flying towards the sun easy mode since he can fly and hulk is too slow.
The Hulk has never been human..that would be Bruce Banner who is an entirely different person. Proof that he can manipulate the blood of someone as durable and with a potent healing factor as Hulk? Because he's only done so to fodder or characters nowhere near Hulk's level of anything. Presumably is right, as a weaker version of Hulk has resisted that same type of attack from Storm.
The durability or density of a metal has nothing to do with Erik's ability to manipulate it, that should go without saying.
Hulk can easily break out of any metal shield Magneto tries and Erik hasn't shown the raw power to send anything into the sun, and Hulk could resist any force he tries to exert on him as he has many times before. That also constitutes as BFR..which is against the rules.
You're assuming way too much about Hulk and saying what you think Magneto should be capable of doing instead of what he's actually done.
"The durability or density of a metal has nothing to do with Erik's ability to manipulate it, that should go without saying."
I disagree; adamantium is the strongest material in their universe by far, and the fact that magneto can turn it into a liquid means he generates absurdly strong magnetic fields on the molecular level. Unless organic molecules in the hulk have become the strongest material in the universe, I see no reason why magneto cannot manipulate magnetic metals or ions in Hulks blood--if we're being logically consistent. Also hulks healing factor takes likes a at least a few milliseconds right? Magnetic fields on the other hand propagate at the speed of light which means, to be relevant, hulks healing factor needs to be occurring quickly at the 0.1 microsecond order of magnitude in order to keep up with magnetic fields powerful enough to lift a city or liquefy adamantium.
"Hulk can easily break out of any metal shield Magneto tries and Erik hasn't shown the raw power to send anything into the sun, and Hulk could resist any force he tries to exert on him as he has many times before. That also constitutes as BFR..which is against the rules."
Well fair enough on the BFR point, i missed that, but imo it is a stupid rule to put in place since it limits an obvious and effective tactic. But if the BFR rule was gone, then mags could just drop the hulk to float around in geosync forever or send him towards the sun--see the quote below this. Magneto has in fact shown that he can move things into orbit, like when he helped construct a space station for mutants. Also do you have any idea how many rockets it would take to hold a city in the air? If mags can lift cities clearly he can lift the hulk and himself into orbit. Also hulk can't resist ANY force, that's clearly incorrect, since then he could resist gravity and fly if that were the case, since you'd probably agree that gravity is a force which hulk cannot overcome.
"Magneto can create electromagnetic fields strong enough to manipulate non-ferrous items, though he may be using anti-gravity fields to do this."
http://www.comicvine.com/magneto/4005-1441/
So i guess mags can just keep picking the hulk up, bring him to the edge of the battlefield, and then slam him into the ground at terminal velocity over and over and over again. Hulk becomes a rag doll. Hulk clearly can't resist forces like gravity, otherwise he could fly, and so non ferrous manipulation or anti gravity fields will both work equally effectively. Then magneto picks up half of new york city, brings it to the edge of the battlefield, and hurls it like a meteor into the hulk thereby turning him into vaporized atoms. I am not aware of hulk surviving extreme temperatures and pressures simultaneously. Regardless, at the minimum its a stalemate since hulk can't touch flying magneto but maybe mags just can't output enough damage to take out the hulk because Hulk has magical regeneration. However, i think this magical hulk infinite regen thing is a lot like the exaggerated "limitless" screwattack superman claim. There are obviously plenty of attacks which the hulk could not survive and that his regen could not save him from, so I would argue that the combination of ripping every ion out of hulks body, smashing hulk repeatedly like a rag doll, and dropping cities on him could be enough to overcome his healing factor.
Finally, another point which is probably the best one I have for mags---
"Although Magneto's primary power is the control over magnetism, he can also manipulate any form of energy from the electromagnetic spectrum. "
http://www.comicvine.com/magneto/4005-1441/
Therefore magneto could arguably manipulate hulk's gamma energy and potential drain it or mitigate it especially since mags has is a genius. He might also be able to find a form of radiation of energy which could damage the hulk or counteract the gamma effect--some kind of anti gamma field or something. He could find a solution with his powers and genius level intellect especially since he could just fly and avoid hulk until he figures it out. Furthermore, as discussed in the world war hulk story line, "In defense Iron Man then activates a series of satellite anti-gamma lasers which fire and finally ends the Hulk's prolonged rampage." Given mags can manipulate all energy, he can definitely control anti gamma light since light is just another part of the em spectrum and thus could stop the hulk 10/10 times as long as they dont start in close combat. Then mags can kill the hulk in many different ways.
http://www.comicvine.com/world-war-hulk/4045-42294/
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