Loki vs Ultron vs Doctor Doom

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Battles are won by KO or death.

Round 1- Random Encounter

Round 2- 1 week prep for all

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I feel like Loki can be a wild card. Version for Ultron?

Round 2: Doom. : D

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#3  Edited By Jkutz

Round 1 is honestly a Toss Up, we need version for Ultron

Round 2 is definitely Doom, he is a prep master

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For version of Ultron Annihilation Conquest.

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Doom.

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Is put Loki very close to Doom with prep, but how would they beat Ultron?

If prep enabled, are plot devices and magical items probable?

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Round 1 : Ultron

Round 2 : Doctor Doom

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Ultron round 1 round 2 Loki

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Doom.

How doom beating them in a random encounter?

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Ultron wins both rounds IMO...

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awesome fight i've thought a lot about honestly... still can't decide though. they are all extremely smart and resourceful and veeery difficult to beat, even by entire teams of heroes. plus it's hard for me to pick a favorite out of the three. Leaning toward Ultron for round 1, but i could easily be persuaded to root for either of the others.

a lot of their prep feats are involving special items or something, but if we exclude those things, I'd still say Doom has a slight but sufficient advantage in that regard. but Loki has so many tricks up his sleeves, so it would be hard to predict.

i'd love to see this fight! so much awesome magic and technology being thrown around everywhere! :D

if only Fox would give back F4 rights to Marvel so we could see it happen... :(

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Round 1: Ultron

Round 2: Doom of course

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@darkraiden said:

Doom.

How doom beating them in a random encounter?

Either can get blasted or constricted in the bands of Cyttorak or drained. Plus Doom has built Ultron before so he's bound to know a weakness/way to shut him down.

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Thought Loki could survive without a body?

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Ultron takes one hands down.

Loki could potentially change the others into a baby diaper in round two right?

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Ultron takes one maybe. Imo

DOOOOOOOMMMMMM HAS PREP. Need i say more.

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@darkraiden:

Thought Loki could survive without a body?

He can. But that can lead to him getting absorbed or trapped by Doom. Plus I never said Doom would kill him with the blast. Loki could win tbh, I'm not sure between him and Doom, but Ultron stands no chance.

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@darkraiden:

How do you absorb or trap someone in astral form?

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there is no way that doom has a prep advantage over ultron and loki. loki has access to asgardian tech and earth tech. ultron, has access to all earth tech. doom is the weak linc of the bunch.

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R1: Ultron

R2: Dr. Doom

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1 - Loki 2 - Ultron

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Ultron > Doom.

Most intelligent machines > Most intelligent Humans

Superhuman intellect = Ultron > Genius level human intellect = Dr Doom.

Ultron = Is technology > Dr Doom = Uses technology.

Ultron = machine composed of metal > Doctor Doom = Human being covered / hidden inside a metal armor.

Ultron outclasses the overrated Dr Doom in every area except magic and even there, it can be irrelevant because sufficiently advanced technology can nullify / neutralize magic. Ultron doesn't really need magic. His technology alone should be sufficient enough to deal magic users of Dr Doom's level.

In the end, Dr Doom is a regular human being, a biological / organic entity. He should never stand a chance in hell against an advanced artificial intelligent machine that has no organic / biological limitation to how much it can upgrade itself intellectually and physically. Thus Dr Doom simply stands no chance in a prep battle. He's outclassed intellectually.

It's beyond me how Dr Doom can be as overrated as he is when it comes to his intellect and prepping abilities, especially when taking into consideration he's just a regular human being covered inside a metal armor. That he gets picked by as many people as he does to beat characters who are far above and even transcending human capabilities such as artificially intelligent superhuman machines, superhuman extraterrestrial beings etc tells me how overrated Dr Doom is.

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@ganstaz003: I agree with your analysis except for:

Ultron = Is technology > Dr Doom = Uses technology.

Wouldn't the fact that Doom uses tech mean that Ultron being tech makes him useless... ?

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#26  Edited By Ganstaz003

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"Wouldn't the fact that Doom uses tech mean that Ultron being tech makes him useless... ?"

In my opinion, someone who is technology has better control / manipulation over technology than someone who uses technology as a third party / externally. Thus Dr Doom will get annihilated in a tech battle against Ultron.

Imagine an artificial intelligent computer programming another computer. I'd say when a computer can program another computer, they'd surpass any human programmer.

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Ultron semi stomps in rd 1. Rd should go to either Ultron or Doom though given the version of Ultron I think Ultron wins both rounds. Give Doom a month and maybe he wins.

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#28  Edited By Ganstaz003

@spambot: Even with a month of prep, Dr Doom isn't out prepping or outsmarting a sentient living supercomputer in Ultron. Ultron's intelligent should surpass Dr Doom's by a significant margin. Heck, Ultron is likely more intelligent than Dr Doom and Reed Richards put together.

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@ganstaz003: He might be but he lacks in the strategic and creativity depts to some degree. People like Doom and Reed can predict what Ultron will do and counter it.

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Ultron

Ultron or Doom

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@spambot: Ultron could calculate quadrillion more strategic possibilities than both Reed and Doom can do together. Both Dr Doom and Reed Richards are limited as humans. Ultron theoretically has no limitations in contrast.

As far as creativity is concerned, Ultron could just write himself a program that enables himself creativity. Ultron isn't just any old machine or computer, it is a living sentient supercomputer. Not everyone understands and are even underestimating how extremely dangerous artificial intelligent machines can be. They can potentially increase their intelligence levels well beyond the comprehension of humans such that they could leave us all behind as if we were chimpanzees.

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@ganstaz003: In theory maybe but in practice that's not really how he is portrayed. He's also often driven by more human like motivations.

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@spambot said:

@ganstaz003: In theory maybe but in practice that's not really how he is portrayed. He's also often driven by more human like motivations.

He can be portrayed by human like motivation. However, it doesn't change the fact that as a sentient living machine, his intellectual capabilities should surpass even the most intelligent humans, likely even all put together. Even if it's just comics.

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@ganstaz003:

And higher dimensional beings should always defeat lower dimensional beings.

It's comics

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@ganstaz003:

And higher dimensional beings should always defeat lower dimensional beings.

It's comics

Of course they should!

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@ganstaz003:

No they wouldn't.

Can a drawing on a piece of paper kill you?

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@ganstaz003:

But comics still don't follow the logic of real life

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Round 1: Doom rocks Loki. Then rip doom.

Round 2: Doom wins