Living Tribunal vs Molecule Man

"wth!? how is the beyonder toaa?? in illuminati xavior said that the beyonder hinted him that beyonder was just a inhuman with extra ordinary powers. the beyonder is omnipotent, but onmipotant only! he is not omniscience nor omniexistant nor omniversal.
"

"Perfect Cell said:

"As Jesus is the right hand of God; Beyonder is the right hand of TOAA... But the Living Tribunal represents the Bible.

However... Molecule Man will stand no chance against the Law of the Universe unless he has the Heart of the Universe."

Beyonder is NOT the right hand of TOAA, Beyonder is a TOAA himself! So to put it mildly, TOAA=Beyonder!"

"wth!? how is the beyonder toaa?? in illuminati xavior said that the beyonder hinted him that beyonder was just a inhuman with extra ordinary powers. the beyonder is omnipotent, but onmipotant only! he is not omniscience nor omniexistant nor omniversal.
"

"Tevnoba said:

"Alpha said:

"lordraiden said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Yes and I also realize that generally LT is considered the most powerful being in the MU.....The Living Tribunal possesses infinite power and near-absolute control over the Marvel multiverse, second only to the One-Above-All in station, authority and power"

Not just Multiverse, but the Actuality of Marvel.

Lunacyde said:

"

Generally you cannot go agaisnt the Living Tribunal....LT is omnipotent ...unless you have the heart of the universe or such.

"

Omnipotence is relative.  MM and Classic Beyonder were above him.
"

Well put Tev, and all correct! People need to stop looking at it from today's perspective and realize that at that period of time, Beyonder & MM>everyone from LT downwards! I've posted this pic before, and i'll do so again, for all those who think LT had any sought of chance, here he is with the rest of the Marvel pantheon pleading to reason with the Beyonder:

"

How did come to that notion? What was shown at that period to make you think that? LT has always been a hearld of the One Above All adnonly his power was greater."

Because the Beyonder is equal to TOAA (Stan Lee once said so!)  Also, I sure that everyone can agree that LT would stand no chance against TOAA, correct?  Well if Beyonder=TOAA and TOAA>>>>>>>>LT and would have no chance against him, yet MM actually stood against The Beyonder (doing the math . . .. ) MM>>>LT."

The beyonder was the only life in his universe. A universe that is still part of the greater universe (ex: Microverse) that The One Above All is master. Why would he be as strong? Doesn't make sense. Either way, the Molecule Man would be nothing to LT @ anytime in his existence."

"lordraiden said:

"Perfect Cell said:

"As Jesus is the right hand of God; Beyonder is the right hand of TOAA... But the Living Tribunal represents the Bible.

However... Molecule Man will stand no chance against the Law of the Universe unless he has the Heart of the Universe."

Beyonder is NOT the right hand of TOAA, Beyonder is a TOAA himself! So to put it mildly, TOAA=Beyonder!"

No Beyonder is not TOAA, they are equal beings.  The Beyonder would be the TOAA of his own ACTUALITY (why can you people not understand that)

Ego said:

"wth!? how is the beyonder toaa?? in illuminati xavior said that the beyonder hinted him that beyonder was just a inhuman with extra ordinary powers. the beyonder is omnipotent, but onmipotant only! he is not omniscience nor omniexistant nor omniversal.
"

That was the retcon of the Beyonder, this discussion is about Classic Beyonder (Before the Retcon B.S.)

Alpha said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Alpha said:

"lordraiden said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Yes and I also realize that generally LT is considered the most powerful being in the MU.....The Living Tribunal possesses infinite power and near-absolute control over the Marvel multiverse, second only to the One-Above-All in station, authority and power"

Not just Multiverse, but the Actuality of Marvel.

Lunacyde said:

"

Generally you cannot go agaisnt the Living Tribunal....LT is omnipotent ...unless you have the heart of the universe or such.

"

Omnipotence is relative.  MM and Classic Beyonder were above him.
"

Well put Tev, and all correct! People need to stop looking at it from today's perspective and realize that at that period of time, Beyonder & MM>everyone from LT downwards! I've posted this pic before, and i'll do so again, for all those who think LT had any sought of chance, here he is with the rest of the Marvel pantheon pleading to reason with the Beyonder:

"

How did come to that notion? What was shown at that period to make you think that? LT has always been a hearld of the One Above All adnonly his power was greater."

Because the Beyonder is equal to TOAA (Stan Lee once said so!)  Also, I sure that everyone can agree that LT would stand no chance against TOAA, correct?  Well if Beyonder=TOAA and TOAA>>>>>>>>LT and would have no chance against him, yet MM actually stood against The Beyonder (doing the math . . .. ) MM>>>LT."

The beyonder was the only life in his universe. A universe that is still part of the greater universe (ex: Microverse) that The One Above All is master. Why would he be as strong? Doesn't make sense. Either way, the Molecule Man would be nothing to LT @ anytime in his existence."

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

Living Tribunal.

"Tevnoba said:

"lordraiden said:

"Perfect Cell said:

"As Jesus is the right hand of God; Beyonder is the right hand of TOAA... But the Living Tribunal represents the Bible.

However... Molecule Man will stand no chance against the Law of the Universe unless he has the Heart of the Universe."

Beyonder is NOT the right hand of TOAA, Beyonder is a TOAA himself! So to put it mildly, TOAA=Beyonder!"

No Beyonder is not TOAA, they are equal beings.  The Beyonder would be the TOAA of his own ACTUALITY (why can you people not understand that)

Ego said:

"wth!? how is the beyonder toaa?? in illuminati xavior said that the beyonder hinted him that beyonder was just a inhuman with extra ordinary powers. the beyonder is omnipotent, but onmipotant only! he is not omniscience nor omniexistant nor omniversal.
"

That was the retcon of the Beyonder, this discussion is about Classic Beyonder (Before the Retcon B.S.)

Alpha said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Alpha said:

"lordraiden said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Yes and I also realize that generally LT is considered the most powerful being in the MU.....The Living Tribunal possesses infinite power and near-absolute control over the Marvel multiverse, second only to the One-Above-All in station, authority and power"

Not just Multiverse, but the Actuality of Marvel.

Lunacyde said:

"

Generally you cannot go agaisnt the Living Tribunal....LT is omnipotent ...unless you have the heart of the universe or such.

"

Omnipotence is relative.  MM and Classic Beyonder were above him.
"

Well put Tev, and all correct! People need to stop looking at it from today's perspective and realize that at that period of time, Beyonder & MM>everyone from LT downwards! I've posted this pic before, and i'll do so again, for all those who think LT had any sought of chance, here he is with the rest of the Marvel pantheon pleading to reason with the Beyonder:

"

How did come to that notion? What was shown at that period to make you think that? LT has always been a hearld of the One Above All adnonly his power was greater."

Because the Beyonder is equal to TOAA (Stan Lee once said so!)  Also, I sure that everyone can agree that LT would stand no chance against TOAA, correct?  Well if Beyonder=TOAA and TOAA>>>>>>>>LT and would have no chance against him, yet MM actually stood against The Beyonder (doing the math . . .. ) MM>>>LT."

The beyonder was the only life in his universe. A universe that is still part of the greater universe (ex: Microverse) that The One Above All is master. Why would he be as strong? Doesn't make sense. Either way, the Molecule Man would be nothing to LT @ anytime in his existence."

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

Again, well put Tev :-)"

"lordraiden said:

"Tevnoba said:

"lordraiden said:

"Perfect Cell said:

"As Jesus is the right hand of God; Beyonder is the right hand of TOAA... But the Living Tribunal represents the Bible.

However... Molecule Man will stand no chance against the Law of the Universe unless he has the Heart of the Universe."

Beyonder is NOT the right hand of TOAA, Beyonder is a TOAA himself! So to put it mildly, TOAA=Beyonder!"

No Beyonder is not TOAA, they are equal beings.  The Beyonder would be the TOAA of his own ACTUALITY (why can you people not understand that)

Ego said:

"wth!? how is the beyonder toaa?? in illuminati xavior said that the beyonder hinted him that beyonder was just a inhuman with extra ordinary powers. the beyonder is omnipotent, but onmipotant only! he is not omniscience nor omniexistant nor omniversal.
"

That was the retcon of the Beyonder, this discussion is about Classic Beyonder (Before the Retcon B.S.)

Alpha said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Alpha said:

"lordraiden said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Yes and I also realize that generally LT is considered the most powerful being in the MU.....The Living Tribunal possesses infinite power and near-absolute control over the Marvel multiverse, second only to the One-Above-All in station, authority and power"

Not just Multiverse, but the Actuality of Marvel.

Lunacyde said:

"

Generally you cannot go agaisnt the Living Tribunal....LT is omnipotent ...unless you have the heart of the universe or such.

"

Omnipotence is relative.  MM and Classic Beyonder were above him.
"

Well put Tev, and all correct! People need to stop looking at it from today's perspective and realize that at that period of time, Beyonder & MM>everyone from LT downwards! I've posted this pic before, and i'll do so again, for all those who think LT had any sought of chance, here he is with the rest of the Marvel pantheon pleading to reason with the Beyonder:

"

How did come to that notion? What was shown at that period to make you think that? LT has always been a hearld of the One Above All adnonly his power was greater."

Because the Beyonder is equal to TOAA (Stan Lee once said so!)  Also, I sure that everyone can agree that LT would stand no chance against TOAA, correct?  Well if Beyonder=TOAA and TOAA>>>>>>>>LT and would have no chance against him, yet MM actually stood against The Beyonder (doing the math . . .. ) MM>>>LT."

The beyonder was the only life in his universe. A universe that is still part of the greater universe (ex: Microverse) that The One Above All is master. Why would he be as strong? Doesn't make sense. Either way, the Molecule Man would be nothing to LT @ anytime in his existence."

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

Again, well put Tev :-)"

I just wish people would listen and understand."

"Tevnoba said:

"lordraiden said:

"Perfect Cell said:

"As Jesus is the right hand of God; Beyonder is the right hand of TOAA... But the Living Tribunal represents the Bible.

However... Molecule Man will stand no chance against the Law of the Universe unless he has the Heart of the Universe."

Beyonder is NOT the right hand of TOAA, Beyonder is a TOAA himself! So to put it mildly, TOAA=Beyonder!"

No Beyonder is not TOAA, they are equal beings.  The Beyonder would be the TOAA of his own ACTUALITY (why can you people not understand that)

Ego said:

"wth!? how is the beyonder toaa?? in illuminati xavior said that the beyonder hinted him that beyonder was just a inhuman with extra ordinary powers. the beyonder is omnipotent, but onmipotant only! he is not omniscience nor omniexistant nor omniversal.
"

That was the retcon of the Beyonder, this discussion is about Classic Beyonder (Before the Retcon B.S.)

Alpha said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Alpha said:

"lordraiden said:

"Tevnoba said:

"Lunacyde said:

"Yes and I also realize that generally LT is considered the most powerful being in the MU.....The Living Tribunal possesses infinite power and near-absolute control over the Marvel multiverse, second only to the One-Above-All in station, authority and power"

Not just Multiverse, but the Actuality of Marvel.

Lunacyde said:

"

Generally you cannot go agaisnt the Living Tribunal....LT is omnipotent ...unless you have the heart of the universe or such.

"

Omnipotence is relative.  MM and Classic Beyonder were above him.
"

Well put Tev, and all correct! People need to stop looking at it from today's perspective and realize that at that period of time, Beyonder & MM>everyone from LT downwards! I've posted this pic before, and i'll do so again, for all those who think LT had any sought of chance, here he is with the rest of the Marvel pantheon pleading to reason with the Beyonder:

"

How did come to that notion? What was shown at that period to make you think that? LT has always been a hearld of the One Above All adnonly his power was greater."

Because the Beyonder is equal to TOAA (Stan Lee once said so!)  Also, I sure that everyone can agree that LT would stand no chance against TOAA, correct?  Well if Beyonder=TOAA and TOAA>>>>>>>>LT and would have no chance against him, yet MM actually stood against The Beyonder (doing the math . . .. ) MM>>>LT."

The beyonder was the only life in his universe. A universe that is still part of the greater universe (ex: Microverse) that The One Above All is master. Why would he be as strong? Doesn't make sense. Either way, the Molecule Man would be nothing to LT @ anytime in his existence."

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

Again, well put Tev :-)"

"Ego said:

"wth!? how is the beyonder toaa?? in illuminati xavior said that the beyonder hinted him that beyonder was just a inhuman with extra ordinary powers. the beyonder is omnipotent, but onmipotant only! he is not omniscience nor omniexistant nor omniversal.
"

That's cause he's been ret-conned since the 80's dude! That's not the same Beyonder in the Illumninati mini and these days in general! Alot of things have been retconned since the eighties! That's why you have to take it within it's time frame, and at the time, ie Secret Wars I & II, Beyonder was created as a TOAA!"

Simply put and with logical reasoning Beyonder is all multiverses together EXCEPT for 616, and TOAA is ALL Universes (including 616), so nuff said

Excelsior true believers!

"Simply put and with logical reasoning Beyonder is all multiverses together EXCEPT for 616, and TOAA is ALL Universes (including 616), so nuff said

Excelsior true believers!"

;)

"Simply put and with logical reasoning Beyonder is all multiverses together EXCEPT for 616, and TOAA is ALL Universes (including 616), so nuff said

Excelsior true believers!"

Look at it this way.. Beyonder was Retconned. Living Tribunal wasn't. Did the LT rule out Beyonder's powers? Hmm...

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

"Vlad Tepes Dracula said:

"Simply put and with logical reasoning Beyonder is all multiverses together EXCEPT for 616, and TOAA is ALL Universes (including 616), so nuff said

Excelsior true believers!"

Nice try, but ahh, no."

"Tevnoba said:

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

"His" ACTUALITY indeed, which means he can create his own universe using his own imagination and be equal to the TOAA with that imagination. You know Cyttorak is the TOAA all too; but only in the Crimson Cosmos which is indeed; his own ACTUALITY. The and that's the One Above All is TOAA in ALL Marvel comic issues and that including the "WHAT IF" comics. The Beyonder is only equal to the OTAA only in certain issues, namely the issues before he was retconned.


"

Power Level Definitions:

1. Omniscience – Knowing all things (past, presence and future, locations) in an actuality
2. Omnipresence – Being in all places within a single universe at the same time.
3. Omnitemporal – Existing in all times simultaneously in an actuality
4. Omniversal – Existing is all dimensions, all alternate realities simultaneously in an actuality
5. Omnipotent – Having truly unlimited power (capable of any feat) – can often be confused with having the above abilities as it can simulate them on a case by case basis.

Cosmic Scale and definitions:

1. Actuality (A Comic Company – Marvel, DC, Amalgam, Vertigo, etc . . .)
2. Cosmic Anchor Points – Dimensions outside the Actuality (but still part of it).  In Marvel – Death’s Realm, White Hot Room, Atelza’s Domain are examples of this
3. Omniverse (Collection of Dimensions, Alternate Realities, Planes of Existence within an Actuality)
4. Universe – an individual Reality and it’s specific related planes of existence (i.e. some universes within the Marvel Omniverse could have sub-dimensions that not all Alternate Realities would)
5. Alternate Reality – The Cosmic Dice game of possibility and variety.  In theory, for each universe exists each possible outcome of events for that universe (i.e. A universe would have an alternate reality where The Fantastic Four never received their powers).  House of M, Age of Apocalypse, and the Exiles jumping are all examples of Alternate Realities
6. Dimensional Shifting is often confused with Alternate Realities and although on the same scale they are usually shared amongst all Alternate Realities in an Actuality (some exceptions do exist).  The Mystic Real of The Crossroads and The Nexus of realities and the microverse are examples
7. Super Cluster – A grouping of galactic clusters and rogue galaxies on a similar cosmic expansion trajectory.
8. Galactic Cluster - A grouping of galaxies on a similar cosmic expansion trajectory.
9. Galaxy – A collections of Solar Systems and rogue stellar bodies orbiting around a central point relative to each other.
10. Solar System – A collections of stellar bodies rotating around a central Star.
11. Planet – A Centralized mass of matter formed into a balanced and cohesive stellar body of varying density
12. Planetoid – A Centralized mass of matter usually formed from the destruction of a larger stellar body, usually solid in form
13. Moon - A Centralized mass of matter formed into a balanced and cohesive stellar body of varying density orbiting around a planet, planetoid or moon.

"Perfect Cell said:

"Tevnoba said:

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

"His" ACTUALITY indeed, which means he can create his own universe using his own imagination and be equal to the TOAA with that imagination. You know Cyttorak is the TOAA all too; but only in the Crimson Cosmos which is indeed; his own ACTUALITY. The and that's the One Above All is TOAA in ALL Marvel comic issues and that including the "WHAT IF" comics. The Beyonder is only equal to the OTAA only in certain issues, namely the issues before he was retconned.


"

Not quite.  The Crimson Cosmos is part of the Marvel Actuality - not a separate one.

Here are some definitions - I currently have a pending submission for this - but has not been approved yet:

Power Level Definitions:

1. Omniscience – Knowing all things (past, presence and future, locations) in an actuality
2. Omnipresence – Being in all places within a single universe at the same time.
3. Omnitemporal – Existing in all times simultaneously in an actuality
4. Omniversal – Existing is all dimensions, all alternate realities simultaneously in an actuality
5. Omnipotent – Having truly unlimited power (capable of any feat) – can often be confused with having the above abilities as it can simulate them on a case by case basis.

Cosmic Scale and definitions:

1. Actuality (A Comic Company – Marvel, DC, Amalgam, Vertigo, etc . . .)
2. Cosmic Anchor Points – Dimensions outside the Actuality (but still part of it).  In Marvel – Death’s Realm, White Hot Room, Atelza’s Domain are examples of this
3. Omniverse (Collection of Dimensions, Alternate Realities, Planes of Existence within an Actuality)
4. Universe – an individual Reality and it’s specific related planes of existence (i.e. some universes within the Marvel Omniverse could have sub-dimensions that not all Alternate Realities would)
5. Alternate Reality – The Cosmic Dice game of possibility and variety.  In theory, for each universe exists each possible outcome of events for that universe (i.e. A universe would have an alternate reality where The Fantastic Four never received their powers).  House of M, Age of Apocalypse, and the Exiles jumping are all examples of Alternate Realities
6. Dimensional Shifting is often confused with Alternate Realities and although on the same scale they are usually shared amongst all Alternate Realities in an Actuality (some exceptions do exist).  The Mystic Real of The Crossroads and The Nexus of realities and the microverse are examples
7. Super Cluster – A grouping of galactic clusters and rogue galaxies on a similar cosmic expansion trajectory.
8. Galactic Cluster - A grouping of galaxies on a similar cosmic expansion trajectory.
9. Galaxy – A collections of Solar Systems and rogue stellar bodies orbiting around a central point relative to each other.
10. Solar System – A collections of stellar bodies rotating around a central Star.
11. Planet – A Centralized mass of matter formed into a balanced and cohesive stellar body of varying density
12. Planetoid – A Centralized mass of matter usually formed from the destruction of a larger stellar body, usually solid in form
13. Moon - A Centralized mass of matter formed into a balanced and cohesive stellar body of varying density orbiting around a planet, planetoid or moon.

"

"Tevnoba said:

"Perfect Cell said:

"Tevnoba said:

No, the Beyonder was not the only life of his Universe, but his ACTUALITY!!!!

One thing Marvel did was to open the door for the other Actualities (DC, Vertigo, etc . . ) to coexist with the Marvel Actuality.  That is how you can have a crossover even though Marvel has TOAA and DC has the Presence, which should not be possible.  The Beyonder (pre-retcon) was actually equal to them and became at the end of Secret Wars 2, his own ACTUALITY!!!!!"

"His" ACTUALITY indeed, which means he can create his own universe using his own imagination and be equal to the TOAA with that imagination. You know Cyttorak is the TOAA all too; but only in the Crimson Cosmos which is indeed; his own ACTUALITY. The and that's the One Above All is TOAA in ALL Marvel comic issues and that including the "WHAT IF" comics. The Beyonder is only equal to the OTAA only in certain issues, namely the issues before he was retconned.


"

Not quite.  The Crimson Cosmos is part of the Marvel Actuality - not a separate one.

Here are some definitions - I currently have a pending submission for this - but has not been approved yet:

Power Level Definitions:

1. Omniscience – Knowing all things (past, presence and future, locations) in an actuality
2. Omnipresence – Being in all places within a single universe at the same time.
3. Omnitemporal – Existing in all times simultaneously in an actuality
4. Omniversal – Existing is all dimensions, all alternate realities simultaneously in an actuality
5. Omnipotent – Having truly unlimited power (capable of any feat) – can often be confused with having the above abilities as it can simulate them on a case by case basis.

Cosmic Scale and definitions:

1. Actuality (A Comic Company – Marvel, DC, Amalgam, Vertigo, etc . . .)
2. Cosmic Anchor Points – Dimensions outside the Actuality (but still part of it).  In Marvel – Death’s Realm, White Hot Room, Atelza’s Domain are examples of this
3. Omniverse (Collection of Dimensions, Alternate Realities, Planes of Existence within an Actuality)
4. Universe – an individual Reality and it’s specific related planes of existence (i.e. some universes within the Marvel Omniverse could have sub-dimensions that not all Alternate Realities would)
5. Alternate Reality – The Cosmic Dice game of possibility and variety.  In theory, for each universe exists each possible outcome of events for that universe (i.e. A universe would have an alternate reality where The Fantastic Four never received their powers).  House of M, Age of Apocalypse, and the Exiles jumping are all examples of Alternate Realities
6. Dimensional Shifting is often confused with Alternate Realities and although on the same scale they are usually shared amongst all Alternate Realities in an Actuality (some exceptions do exist).  The Mystic Real of The Crossroads and The Nexus of realities and the microverse are examples
7. Super Cluster – A grouping of galactic clusters and rogue galaxies on a similar cosmic expansion trajectory.
8. Galactic Cluster - A grouping of galaxies on a similar cosmic expansion trajectory.
9. Galaxy – A collections of Solar Systems and rogue stellar bodies orbiting around a central point relative to each other.
10. Solar System – A collections of stellar bodies rotating around a central Star.
11. Planet – A Centralized mass of matter formed into a balanced and cohesive stellar body of varying density
12. Planetoid – A Centralized mass of matter usually formed from the destruction of a larger stellar body, usually solid in form
13. Moon - A Centralized mass of matter formed into a balanced and cohesive stellar body of varying density orbiting around a planet, planetoid or moon.

"

Whoa... there is some serious knowledge being shown here"

This is the one BEFORE the retcon correct?

Correct

IF so, then Beyonder Loses, Why? because he isn't even in this battle because before the retcon, Molecule man had NOTHING to do with the beyonder ;) LT curbstomp through flawless logic

"IF so, then Beyonder Loses, Why? because he isn't even in this battle because before the retcon, Molecule man had NOTHING to do with the beyonder ;) LT curbstomp through flawless logic"

Secret Wars II was the retcon

LT ftw

"Secret Wars II was the retcon"

no no no, lt wins

"no no no, lt wins"

Living Tribunal wins here. 
 
Only Pre-Retcon Molecule Man would defeat Living Tribunal.

" Living Tribunal wins here.   Only Pre-Retcon Molecule Man would defeat Living Tribunal. "

what the mean of 

Omnitemporal Entities ?

the living tribunal would loose for a simple fact. the molecule man culd take on the beyonder, who the cosmic guardians/forces of the universe only dared to reason with and not fight directly because of his monstrous powers. the molecule man doesnt just manipulate matter, he once unleashed a blast that could have destroyed several billion universes. SEVERAL BILLION UNIVERSES. The living tribunal is the judge of one universe, and its sub realities, such as the spectre is the judge of his. Thought the LT only deals with matters that threaten the universe, unlike the spectre he not mete out punishment. A fairer fight would be specte vs Living tribunal.

"the living tribunal would loose for a simple fact. the molecule man culd take on the beyonder, who the cosmic guardians/forces of the universe only dared to reason with and not fight directly because of his monstrous powers. the molecule man doesnt just manipulate matter, he once unleashed a blast that could have destroyed several billion universes. SEVERAL BILLION UNIVERSES. The living tribunal is the judge of one universe, and its sub realities, such as the spectre is the judge of his. Thought the LT only deals with matters that threaten the universe, unlike the spectre he not mete out punishment. A fairer fight would be specte vs Living tribunal. "

" It's like saying a ghost is made out of matter."

" what the mean of 

Omnitemporal Entities ?

"

Living Tribunal wins with a thought. Molecule Man is screwed.

" Living Tribunal wins with a thought. Molecule Man is screwed. "

Tribunal, effortlessly.

LOL thread... 
 
 LT b*tch slaps Molecule Man.

living tribunal ultimate win

Pre-retcon Molecule Man wins. Post, gets annihilated easy.

Living Tribunal.

Molecule man , He was th only one That was Capable of going Toe to toe Against Pre-Retcon beyonder and actualy he Matched him While LT failed .

Living Tribunal wins.

Beyonder >>>>> Living Tribunal >>>>> Molecul Man

if we use pre-recton or post secret war the MM every other version loses.