Living Tribunal vs Michael Demiurgos vs Molecule Man

"Ill keep it in mind next time. "

" @sexy beast said:

"Ill keep it in mind next time. "

soo ya understand how LT is lower then MM now "

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @sexy beast said:

"Ill keep it in mind next time. "

soo ya understand how LT is lower then MM now "

No .I really don't believe he is just from the inconsistent showing and history of the Beyonder in Marvel history. Marvel now states the Beyonder is mutant inhuman. What will they think of next?My point is LT has been steady in his power in the MU and has never waiver from it.Second in in MU universe to One Above All.Not MM. "

" @sexy beast said:

"Ill keep it in mind next time. "

soo ya understand how LT is lower then MM now "

"@DC_Marvel_1000 said:

" @sexy beast said:

"Ill keep it in mind next time. "

soo ya understand how LT is lower then MM now "

No .I really don't believe he is just from the inconsistent showing and history of the Beyonder in Marvel . Marvel now states the Beyonder is mutant inhuman. What will they think of next?My point is LT has been steady in his power in the MU and has never waiver from it.Second in in MU universe to One Above All.Not MM. "

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" @Strife said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @Strife said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @Strife said:

" @King Saturn said:

" @Strife said:

" Molecule Man "

you think he is more powerful than Michael with the Demiurgic Power... "

Anything Michael has is made of molecules and Molecule Man has absolute control over it. "

but Michael's power scale is of Relative Omnipotence... basically what Molecule Man's level is at... so how could Molecule Man control the molecule's of someone who is his equal in terms of power ? "

So is Molecule Mans his feats out do Michaels and that was just in one story arc. "

his feats outdo Michael's ? I thought Michael essentially used the Demuirgic Power to create the DC Multiverse with the assistance of Lucifer ? "

Owen repaired the multiverse with a twirl of his finger while fighting the beyonder. "

but how does that outdo what Michael did ? how does Repairing something... equal Creating something in terms of feats ? And technically the Demurgic Power is really the Principle Component needed to create anything... so if anything I would say they are either equal in power... or Michael could be a little bit stronger "

Why would it make him stronger if he needed lucifer to use it at its max potential? "

1.Classic MM
2.LT
3.MD
4.Current MM

1. PR MM
2. LT
3. MD

MM
MD
LT

  When Molecule Man fought Beyonder. 
 
He hit beyonder with an attack that could destroy a few billion dimensions (Beyonder said it himself) 
 
Beyonder took it like it was nothing. 
 
Molecule Man lost that fight. 
 
After that he said that Beyonder was WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY above his power level. 
 
And people please remember that Beyonder was AT PHYSICAL FORM when they fought. Meaning he is slightly bound by human physics (he can be hurt)   
 
Anyway 
 
Its a tie up between Michael and Owen 
 
Living Tribunal gets stomped 
 
 
ps 
 
In the OP it said Molecule Man of Secret Wars. 
 
The Molecule Man "version" that fought Beyonder was at secret wars II 
 
If we use SWI molecule man. 
 
HE GETS DESTROYED! 
 
LOL!    

Michael Demiurgos is the archangel, which is a spirit creature. Theoretically, Molecule Man shouldn't even be able to affect him.

hey dont forget that beyonder ever take control of MM body and MM become that powerful because helped of Beyonder. And LT was a abstract being meant his molecule was unable be controlled. if Beyonder that more powerful than LT can you show any prove  to me !! 
and you say that MM more powerful than beyonder ?? that because beyonder take human form that make his power become weaken

"hey dont forget that beyonder ever take control of MM body and MM become that powerful because helped of Beyonder. And LT was a abstract being meant his molecule was unable be controlled. if Beyonder that more powerful than LT can you show any prove  to me !!  and you say that MM more powerful than beyonder ?? that because beyonder take human form that make his power become weaken "

for all u noobs to comics tell me how mm when against michael  for all of u noobs plz read about a charcter before jumping the gun michael wins this hands down against mm but i think the fight over all is between LT an michael

michael demiurges should take living tribunal.
 
its between michael and MM.

"michael demiurges should take living tribunal.  its between michael and MM. "

Michael wins a very close battle. Tough to say though. All of these characters are the second most powerful beings in their respective universe. 
Michael is second to Presence
Living Tribunal is second to One Above All
Pre retcon Molecule Man is second to Pre retcon Beyonder
I only say Michael wins because DC has higher showings of power.

Michael, then MM, LT. Michael is the more powerful of God's sons. (While we are all Children of the Lord, Michael and Lucifer are straight from the "MAN" himself) An Michael was the son who inherited his father's power, while his brother got all his creativity...hence all the creative differences. An King is def correct about Michael's daughter Elaine taking over when their father decided it was time to abdicate the throne, and move on. (Which begs the question...how many times has he done so??) MM is powerful, but while he fixed what was already there..Micahel powered the creation of the DC Multiverse. CREATION, not fixing, or messing w/, or playin around in somebody else's sand box. He and his brother made God's plan into reality. He whoops him some MM, if for nothing else than of the two, he's a warrior. He was built/bred/trained for this kind of fight. 

"Molecule Man "

" @Strife said:

"Molecule Man "

WRONG TRY AGAIN!!! "

" @Sun King said:

" @Strife said:

"Molecule Man "

WRONG TRY AGAIN!!! "

Actually he's right. "

" @Baldy said:

" @Sun King said:

" @Strife said:

"Molecule Man "

WRONG TRY AGAIN!!! "

Actually he's right. "

What the.... BALDY???!! Are you deliberately following me around making statement to wind me up???!!!  The LT is like GODS right hand man.  He is greater than the Infitiny Gems / Gaunlets etc. "

"@Baldy said:

" @Sun King said:

" @Strife said:

"Molecule Man "

WRONG TRY AGAIN!!! "

Actually he's right. "

What the.... BALDY???!! Are you deliberately following me around making statement to wind me up???!!!  The LT is like GODS right hand man.  He is greater than the Infitiny Gems / Gaunlets etc. "

Don't know much about Michael.
 
Could Molecule Man alter the Living Tribunal? The Living Tribunal is near-Omnipotent and is not a being that can be broken down into molecules.

Wasn't the Living Tribunal one of the many deities that came to Molecule Man for help against the Beyonder? Anyway, my money's on Owen.

Michael he actually can fight

" @Sun King said:

"@Baldy said:

" @Sun King said:

" @Strife said:

"Molecule Man "

WRONG TRY AGAIN!!! "

Actually he's right. "

What the.... BALDY???!! Are you deliberately following me around making statement to wind me up???!!!  The LT is like GODS right hand man.  He is greater than the Infitiny Gems / Gaunlets etc. "

Baldy is right. I know it may be hard to understand, given the definition of LTs role, but he possibly the weakest link here. But then again Molecule MAn is still human and its definately true that he cant keep up a fight forever since he ages(unless his powers put him beyond such a trivial thing). Now this has become even more difficult, but Im kinda aiming at Michael overwhelming the two with a very strong blast that they wouldnt be able to handle. "

"Wasn't the Living Tribunal one of the many deities that came to Molecule Man for help against the Beyonder? Anyway, my money's on Owen. "

" @Ultimate Magneto said:

"Wasn't the Living Tribunal one of the many deities that came to Molecule Man for help against the Beyonder? Anyway, my money's on Owen. "

From what you're saying then that somewhat furthers that LT may be the weakest link here. It shows that he couldnt do it by himself(not as if many, if any, could) and that MM went against Beyonder alone (which,Im assuming, LT couldnt do) and then the deities wanted to come. Showing he basically went at it against Beyonder by himself, further showing hes possibly more powerful. Also, I dont know if LT could be broken down, Jedi. Thats a question I would like to know because, if not, then MM couldnt do anything to Michael since hes a divine being as well(a deity I assume).Theres just so many factors, we need to break it down step-by-step. "

" @Ultimate Magneto said: 

"Wasn't the Living Tribunal one of the many deities that came to Molecule Man for help against the Beyonder? Anyway, my money's on Owen. "

From what you're saying then that somewhat furthers that LT may be the weakest link here. It shows that he couldnt do it by himself(not as if many, if any, could) and that MM went against Beyonder alone (which,Im assuming, LT couldnt do) and then the deities wanted to come. Showing he basically went at it against Beyonder by himself, further showing hes possibly more powerful. Also, I dont know if LT could be broken down, Jedi. Thats a question I would like to know because, if not, then MM couldnt do anything to Michael since hes a divine being as well(a deity I assume).Theres just so many factors, we need to break it down step-by-step. "

" @OblivionKnight said:

" @Sun King said:

"@Baldy said:

" @Sun King said:

" @Strife said:

"Molecule Man "

WRONG TRY AGAIN!!! "

Actually he's right. "

What the.... BALDY???!! Are you deliberately following me around making statement to wind me up???!!!  The LT is like GODS right hand man.  He is greater than the Infitiny Gems / Gaunlets etc. "

Baldy is right. I know it may be hard to understand, given the definition of LTs role, but he possibly the weakest link here. But then again Molecule MAn is still human and its definately true that he cant keep up a fight forever since he ages(unless his powers put him beyond such a trivial thing). Now this has become even more difficult, but Im kinda aiming at Michael overwhelming the two with a very strong blast that they wouldnt be able to handle. "

What makes you think MM can't handle the blast? Have you seen his feats? "

" @Baldy said:

" @OblivionKnight said:

" @Sun King said:

"@Baldy said:

" @Sun King said:

" @Strife said:

"Molecule Man "

WRONG TRY AGAIN!!! "

Actually he's right. "

What the.... BALDY???!! Are you deliberately following me around making statement to wind me up???!!!  The LT is like GODS right hand man.  He is greater than the Infitiny Gems / Gaunlets etc. "

Baldy is right. I know it may be hard to understand, given the definition of LTs role, but he possibly the weakest link here. But then again Molecule MAn is still human and its definately true that he cant keep up a fight forever since he ages(unless his powers put him beyond such a trivial thing). Now this has become even more difficult, but Im kinda aiming at Michael overwhelming the two with a very strong blast that they wouldnt be able to handle. "

What makes you think MM can't handle the blast? Have you seen his feats? "

Baldy, I guess theres a couple reasons as to why I think this. You have to remember that MM is still a human, being(unless something has shown him to be immortal thanks to his powers, thats my fault) and fragile. He just has such amazing powers that make up for it. We havent seen him handle an omni-directional infinite blast. We've seen him handle blasts from Beyonder, which is why I partially believe he could take LT, but Beyonders power(as I believe) isnt infinte. He cant have complete control over infinte power that HE possesses because then hes basically taking TOAAs place as God of the MU. Thats why Michael and Lucifer were given different power aspects of God. One with infinte energy, but not infinite "will" to shape it; the other infinite "will" to shape anything, but not infinite power or energy. So mainly Im just saying that I dont believe MM has just yet faced infinte power because he shouldnt be able to comprehend such a thing with a feeble human mind. "

"@OblivionKnight said: 

" @Ultimate Magneto said: 

"Wasn't the Living Tribunal one of the many deities that came to Molecule Man for help against the Beyonder? Anyway, my money's on Owen. "

From what you're saying then that somewhat furthers that LT may be the weakest link here. It shows that he couldnt do it by himself(not as if many, if any, could) and that MM went against Beyonder alone (which,Im assuming, LT couldnt do) and then the deities wanted to come. Showing he basically went at it against Beyonder by himself, further showing hes possibly more powerful. Also, I dont know if LT could be broken down, Jedi. Thats a question I would like to know because, if not, then MM couldnt do anything to Michael since hes a divine being as well(a deity I assume).Theres just so many factors, we need to break it down step-by-step. "

Where did you get this logic?  Beyonder is ABOVE deities and Molecule Man went against him and did damned good. ALL of the deities and cosmic beings including Uatu, The One Above All, LT, and others (I'll need to find the scan) NEEDED Molecule Man. He was that damn powerful. LT and Michael fighting against each other as much as MM only means MM wins easier because the focus is not aimed his way fully. "

" @OblivionKnight: There's a lot wrong in your post. *cough*TOAA*cough* is present right here. 
 
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/beyonderaudience.jpg   
 
He, too, was one of the deities that required MM's aid. 
 
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.jpg "

"@Ultimate Magneto said: 

" @OblivionKnight: There's a lot wrong in your post. *cough*TOAA*cough* is present right here. 
 
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/beyonderaudience.jpg   
 
He, too, was one of the deities that required MM's aid. 
 
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.jpg "

I'll just quote this. Beyonder is so scary powerful that all of these guys can't defeat him, but Molecule Man CAN. TOAA, LT and many others are among the, deities/gods/cosmics/multiversal beings present as well as one of them that are among those included when the person speaking states "Molecule Man is mightier than them", so, yeah, MM for the curbwarp. Both Beyonder and MM could warp realities in all universes, in all of the multiverse, everywhere, with NOTHING above them in terms of power and control. No worries, just want to let people not underestimate or devalue MM. He can take LT in his sleep, and if he can battle it out with the Beyonder who was too big a threat for even TOAA and all the others, then MM can take on Michael Demiurgos too. "

" @Ultimate Magneto said: 

" @OblivionKnight: There's a lot wrong in your post. *cough*TOAA*cough* is present right here. 
 
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/beyonderaudience.jpg   
 
He, too, was one of the deities that required MM's aid. 
 
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.jpg "

I'll just quote this. Beyonder is so scary powerful that all of these guys can't defeat him, but Molecule Man CAN. TOAA, LT and many others are among the deities/gods/cosmics/multiversal beings present as well as one of them that are among those included when the person speaking states "Molecule Man is mightier than them", so, yeah, MM for the curbwarp. Both Beyonder and MM could warp realities in all universes, in all of the multiverse, everywhere, with NOTHING above them in terms of power and control. No worries, just want to let people not underestimate or devalue MM. He can take LT in his sleep, and if he can battle it out with the Beyonder who was too big a threat for even TOAA and all the others, then MM can take on Michael Demiurgos too. "

" @Ultimate Magneto said:

" @Ultimate Magneto said: 

" @OblivionKnight: There's a lot wrong in your post. *cough*TOAA*cough* is present right here. 
 
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/beyonderaudience.jpg   
 
He, too, was one of the deities that required MM's aid. 
 
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.jpg "

I'll just quote this. Beyonder is so scary powerful that all of these guys can't defeat him, but Molecule Man CAN. TOAA, LT and many others are among the deities/gods/cosmics/multiversal beings present as well as one of them that are among those included when the person speaking states "Molecule Man is mightier than them", so, yeah, MM for the curbwarp. Both Beyonder and MM could warp realities in all universes, in all of the multiverse, everywhere, with NOTHING above them in terms of power and control. No worries, just want to let people not underestimate or devalue MM. He can take LT in his sleep, and if he can battle it out with the Beyonder who was too big a threat for even TOAA and all the others, then MM can take on Michael Demiurgos too. "

That's the celestial TOAA isn't it? Not the god. "

" @Baldy said:

" @Ultimate Magneto said:

" @Ultimate Magneto said: 

" @OblivionKnight: There's a lot wrong in your post. *cough*TOAA*cough* is present right here. 
 
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/beyonderaudience.jpg   
 
He, too, was one of the deities that required MM's aid. 
 
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.jpg "

I'll just quote this. Beyonder is so scary powerful that all of these guys can't defeat him, but Molecule Man CAN. TOAA, LT and many others are among the deities/gods/cosmics/multiversal beings present as well as one of them that are among those included when the person speaking states "Molecule Man is mightier than them", so, yeah, MM for the curbwarp. Both Beyonder and MM could warp realities in all universes, in all of the multiverse, everywhere, with NOTHING above them in terms of power and control. No worries, just want to let people not underestimate or devalue MM. He can take LT in his sleep, and if he can battle it out with the Beyonder who was too big a threat for even TOAA and all the others, then MM can take on Michael Demiurgos too. "

That's the celestial TOAA isn't it? Not the god. "

Oops, this is true, though did the GOD TOAA even exist at the time? "

" @Ultimate Magneto said:

" @Baldy said:

" @Ultimate Magneto said:

" @Ultimate Magneto said: 

" @OblivionKnight: There's a lot wrong in your post. *cough*TOAA*cough* is present right here. 
 
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh79/lorrdraiden/beyonderaudience.jpg   
 
He, too, was one of the deities that required MM's aid. 
 
http://img280.imageshack.us/img280/1473/mo2ds6.jpg "

I'll just quote this. Beyonder is so scary powerful that all of these guys can't defeat him, but Molecule Man CAN. TOAA, LT and many others are among the deities/gods/cosmics/multiversal beings present as well as one of them that are among those included when the person speaking states "Molecule Man is mightier than them", so, yeah, MM for the curbwarp. Both Beyonder and MM could warp realities in all universes, in all of the multiverse, everywhere, with NOTHING above them in terms of power and control. No worries, just want to let people not underestimate or devalue MM. He can take LT in his sleep, and if he can battle it out with the Beyonder who was too big a threat for even TOAA and all the others, then MM can take on Michael Demiurgos too. "

That's the celestial TOAA isn't it? Not the god. "

Oops, this is true, though did the GOD TOAA even exist at the time? "

He existed always and forever, from the beginning to the end. "

" @Ultimate Magneto: From what I understand they didnt use him/her in the print so I guess not. "