Levi & Mikasa vs Captain America & The Winter Soldier(Read Op)

The Ackermans

The Veterans

Even with their new weapons and feats, the Ackermans are too low on the totem pole compared to long lived comic characters. But how about with prep from the best strategist in their series

Rules

• Captain America has shield, Winter Soldier has Cybernetic arm and two pistols
• Ackermans have adamantium blades with 3d Gear and Smoke guns, Mikasa has Lightning Rod.
• Ackermans have 1 Hour strategical Prep with Armin and Erwin, plus info.
• No Info or Prep for the Veterans
• Standard morals and No Bloodlust
• Battle takes place in Red Wood Forest, Ackermans have high ground, 250 Feet starting distance.

Two team still sends them home as titan food.

Comic version or MCU? If MCU team 1 stomps. If comic it's close. While team 2 has a considerable physical advantage, Team 1 has shown far superior agility and reactions. With the environment cap is going to struggle to hit Team 1. His shield will protect him for awhile but will struggle against there team work. Bucky is going to die pretty fast he won't be able to defend himself at all against 2 characters with their speed with adamantium blades (should have made adamantium as vibranium doesn't cut). The environment means Team one will have incredibly fast Omni directional movement. With tons of cover. Prep will help them a lot since they will know to use a surprise attack, on Bucky then double team cap. While it isn't really in character for either to use assassination and hit and run tactics, both a militarily astute and will follow that plan. Due to starting distance, and fact veterans in character i can see Team 1 using environment to hide, eliminate Bucky then double team cap you would then be dead. 1v1 and he can defend using shield. 2v1 and he can't match their speed advantage and mobility.

@cor_tsar: Cap and Winter Soldier are MCU or Comic Versions??

@cor_tsar: So I take it Manga feats apply for the Ackerman's?

ackermans man. That forest gives them a huge mobility advantage. Levi himself is a straight up monster and Mikasa isn't that far behind. And they're both trained to combat fricking titans, which team MCU wouldn't have a prayer against. PLUS, Armin is one hell of a straegist.

@lunacyde: if not team 1 has no chance. If manga feats allowed they win mid difficulty. Levi has shown feats that are absolutely absurd, same with mikasa, when they have terrain to use 3DMG in. Throw in blades that can parry his shield If thrown, and literally the best terrain they could ask for, and it will just be them on the attack the entire time. Levi has also parried bullets with ease before. Now if this is in a terrain without a ton of cover/ usable terrain they are screwed but prep plus environment is too much.

Levi stomps the MCU versions , considering how antman was stomping Toneys team in civil war , and how easily Levi diced up the beast titans in the last chapter .

@flashback0180: @blackestnight93: @lunacyde: @gojira2512: @overwarrior2: @flashback0180 Alright, i guess i should've clarified. This indeed 616 versions(The MCU picture was the coolest imo i could find of the two) and yes Ackerman's are manga versions. I'll edit OP so there's no more confusion. if Adamantium blades are too much, might switch to standard blades.

Even being a 20 chapters behind I'm still comfortable in stating Bucky or Cap solos

@cor_tsar: since it's now comic versions, the fight is closer

team ackerman still takes this imo. speed and mobility is a huge advantage for team considering their enviorment, plus, armin and his awesome planning skills. Plus, Levi recently dominated the beast titan and even managed to cut the host out of it like it was nothing. and the beast titan knew how dangerous levi was beforehand.

The Ackerman's pretty easily.

Team 2 stomps. Cap or Bucky can solo stomp hard.

Titans<<<<<MCU Ant-Man

Titans<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<616 Ant-Man

Vision, IM, War machine, or Spider-Man Could of beat him alone, it would just take more time to beat him.

Ackermans.

Both Cap and Bucky solo.

Team 2

Steve and Buck

Titans are faster than MCU Ant-Man

Levi and Mikasa both have amazing speed feats also mobility which is a huge advantage

Levi Rage Mode is a Kill Machine.

Levi has also good melee combat abilities

Mikasa was said to other characters to be equal to 100 of these Titan killers Trained Men for years.

She also has amazing Titan Kills

Final Thoughts

Also

• Ackermans have 1 Hour strategical Prep with Armin and Erwin, plus info.
• No Info or Prep for the Veterans

This is why ...My vote is for The Ackerman's!!

Why do people think because team one fight competently against Titans that it's somehow applicable here? Steven and Bucky aren't Titans and thus tactics that works against Titans probably won't fare all that well here.

@laidblack: they train in anti human combat as well. Something both mikasa and Levi are extremely proficient in. the fact is with their gear, in this location they have a considerable mobility advantage. Team 2 basically is on the defensive the whole time as they have no way of initiating the combat. They need to try to counter, which will be incredibly difficult given both of team 1s reactions and their ability to instantly shift in any direction. If they didn't have adamantium swords this would be different because caps shield would break their swords allow him to throw the shield through them, and break them when they try to attack and counter. But with the adamantium swords they can parry the shield. In all likelyhoid they use terrain and smoke to assassinate Bucky who can't defend against adamantium swords, then double team cap, to circumvent the shield. 1v1 even with their reactions betting by the shield near impossible. Bucky on the other hand can't defend a ambush.

Team 2

@laidblack:

In the manga, Levi wrecks a group of soldiers with guns, who ambushed him.

in less than a second Levi with his swords is able to cut to nothing the hand of a Titan in which it can easily hold a person.

That could be Cap or Bucky's body.

@gojira2512: and to think, that's basically casual for someone like levi. bloodlusted levi is a machine and destroyed the beast titan like it was nothing. and that titan knew how dangerous levi was

@overwarrior2:

Team 2 basically is on the defensive the whole time as they have no way of initiating the combat. They need to try to counter, which will be incredibly difficult given both of team 1s reactions and their ability to instantly shift in any direction.

Let's not pretend Team 1's source of mobility isn't finite. They won't be running from tree to tree for long thanks to their limited amount of fuel. Steven can easily counter with a shield throw to them or their already launched grappling gun which should connect considering Capt has shown to be able hit already launched missile.

and honestly I don't think they have a single durability feat to suggest that'd be able to take a single shield hit, nor does their grappling gear.

@laidblack: Levi has survived a punch from a Titan. Also they have adamantium swords, they will dodge or parry the thrown shield. Levi isn't a middle he can air dodge easily. As for the wires they shoot they tightly coiled strengthened iron. Titans with far greater strength feats then cap failed to break it. The big factor though is both of team 2 are primarily Hand 2 hand. The only real ranged threat is caps shield. Also they are trained to shoot their maneuver gear away from the target so the lines can't be grabbed, they also have releases to prevent them from breaking. Ie if line hit with enough force grabbing part will release. Cap basically has one chance to hit them when he throws the shield. If he misses or they dodge he's dead. The adamantium blades would slice him to pieces. And I see no reason they wouldn't dodge in this environment and their reaction feats.

@gojira2512 said:

@laidblack said:

Why do people think because team one fight competently against Titans that it's somehow applicable here? Steven and Bucky aren't Titans and thus tactics that works against Titans probably won't fare all that well here.

in less than a second Levi with his swords is able to cut to nothing the hand of a Titan in which it can easily hold a person.

That could be Cap or Bucky's body.

So basically hes a less impressive MGR raiden ?

@overwarrior2:

Also they have adamantium swords, they will dodge or parry the thrown shield.

The adamantium swords won't stop the overall impact coming in from the shield so if they tried to parry it they'd be liable to break their wrist or lose grip of their swords. As for dodging, sure they may be able avoid to initial toss, but what about the unexpected ricochet that they wouldn't be able to see.

As for the wires they shoot they tightly coiled strengthened iron. Titans with far greater strength feats then cap failed to break it.

Titans are stronger in lifting or pulling feats but when it comes to impact, Cap got them got them beat outright with feats like this.

Cap basically has one chance to hit them when he throws the shield. If he misses or they dodge he's dead

The shield will just come back like it all ways does. Don't try to understand it just happens.

The adamantium blades would slice him to pieces.

I dropped AoT awhile ago, who's the fastest character either has tagged?

@laidblack: They have knowledge and will know about Richocets, they will still be able to dodge. The Titan transformers have shown way more Str then cap and Levi has survived (albeit injured) hits from them.

Also (even by wonky comic logic) it will take time for shield to return, in which time one it wasnt thrown at will kill him. Without the shield he dies in a second.

Finally thats hard to say (in regards to speed) He has tagged humans also using 3DMG at full speed, which is in a burst faster then a horse. And has also dodged the Female Titans attacks which are ridiculously fast if you look at distance they cover (just looks slightly slower due to size)

If it was Cap vs just 1 of them, i could see him taking it. But 2 is really tough, especially since frankly speaking bucky wont be a ton of help.

@drk045: No, there is nothing similar about the two except that they both use swords. How did you even make that comparison up. There's hundreds of swordsmen in media, and these two are as far apart as you get.

kill the thread toooo stupid cap wins though

Team 2.