Kraven vs Black Panther

Black Panther

why? doesn't kraven give spiderman a run for his money?

" why? doesn't kraven give spiderman a run for his money? "

oh goodness, guess i missed that issue

Kraven looks like he was more testing Black Panther, seeing what he could do, than actually fighting him.

yeah. looked like he was digging the pain. alright, how about a determined kraven that doesn't have some weird pain fetish

I think Kraven would win in a fair fight, however Black Panther has all of those advanced weapons and the suit is a really big advantage. Take that stuff away from Black Panther or give it to Kraven as well and Black Panther would lose.

Black Panther would defeat Kraven seeing how he has alot of advantages.

Black Panther would win. He is known for being one of the best strategists in the Marvel U, which is a skill that has served him well against opponents with superior abilities.

wasn't that his son?

and this was done

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/black-panther-vs-kraven-the-hunter/12115/#17

knew i saw it b4

BP

Kraven, if he is taking BP seriously

" Kraven looks like he was more testing Black Panther, seeing what he could do, than actually fighting him. "

" wasn't that his son? "

" Kraven, if he is taking BP seriously "

" @Nobody said:

" Kraven looks like he was more testing Black Panther, seeing what he could do, than actually fighting him. "

Yeah, right. He was fighting back while 'testing' him. That doesn't take away from the fact that he's more than capable of beating either version of Kraven."

Why is that scan shown, but not the one where Kraven first beat him?  It only seems fair to show both battles they had.

"Just stating it didn't look like he was really trying in that fight. "

" original kraven could and probably would beat BP.

" Why is that scan shown, but not the one where Kraven first beat him?  It only seems fair to show both battles they had. "

" @Static Shock: He seemed to be enjoying it when Black Panther was showing him what he can do. Seemed like he was just trying to pisses BP off until he started beating up Kraven. "

Just didn't seem like he was really trying to fight back.

It seems like Black Panther wasn't giving him a chance to.

BP isn't fast enough to not give him a chance. Kraven probably has a faster reaction time than BP.

" BP isn't fast enough to not give him a chance."

"Kraven probably has a faster reaction time than BP. "

"@k4tzm4n said:

" Why is that scan shown, but not the one where Kraven first beat him?  It only seems fair to show both battles they had. "

Why would I show both, when I'm going for Black Panther? Besides, you're only good up until your last battle. Kraven won the first, Black Panther won the second. He has bragging rights. LOL."

" @Static Shock: Wolverine doesn't have super human reaction time, Kraven did. "

" lol...Well, could you post the first fight anyway? =) "

" @Nobody said:

" @Static Shock: Wolverine doesn't have super human reaction time, Kraven did. "

Yes, he does, and there have been enough instance to dubbed it consistent.
 "

There ya go =)

"Him dodging a bullet doesn't make him superhuman."

Black Panther.SLAUGHTERHOUSE.

" @Nobody said:

"Him dodging a bullet doesn't make him superhuman."

Normal humans dodge the aim of the bullet. Not the actual bullet. Daredevil himself was surprised when he saw Wolverine dodge bullets after they were fired. People like Wolverine react fast enough to jam their claws into the barrel after the trigger is pulled and right before the bullet can leave the barrel, causing the gun to explode. Never seen Kraven do anything like that, or anything that would make me think he has superhuman reaction time. "

"Off the top of my head I know Shang-Chi has done it. "

" @Nobody said:

"Off the top of my head I know Shang-Chi has done it. "

After they were fired, right? He's more than just normal, then. Anyone that can dodge bullets after they have been fired has superhuman reaction time, basically. "

"Shang-Chi has normal human reaction."

" @Static Shock: Iron Fist can put himself at superhuman levels with his chi manipulation, Shang-Chi can't.

"Him kicking that pole over doesn't mean that he is superhuman either. He is a martial arts, they are able to channel their chi and find the breaking point of a structure. "

Marvel.com:

Shang-Chi is one of the world's most adept combatants, trained in all known martial arts. He is also skilled at meditation, and has occasionally received visions while meditating.

Shang-Chi is classed as an athlete but he is one of the best non-superhumans in martial arts and has dedicated much of his life to the art, being referred to by some as the greatest empty handed fighter and practitioner of Kung Fu alive. Much of his physical abilities seem to stem from his mastery of chi, which often allows him to surpass physical limitations of normal athletes. In one instance, Shang was able to stand shirtless in minus 20 degree weather without feeling any physical discomfort. He has also demonstrated the ability to dodge bullets and to deflect single shots with his bracers. He is highly trained in the arts of concentration and meditation, and is also an expert in various hand-weapons including the bo, nunchakus, and shuriken.

Although Shang Chi primarily relies on his martial arts prowess, he has incredible control of his chi and body. He is able to enter a meditative, almost trancelike state to ignore pain, and/or resist the effects of drugs or poisons. His chi mastery also allows him to effectively detect nearby individuals, having been able to detect even Jean Grey hidden by her psychic powers. In several cases, his mastery of chi can be attributed to several near-superhuman feats, such as withstanding a punch from Hiriom the Shamed kicking over a car, and easily deflecting and dodging bullets.

Although possessing no superpowers, Shang-Chi has a lifetime of martial arts training behind him, enabling to equal and best many superhumans. Mostly using his bare hands, Shang can also formidably use any martial arts weapon and is skilled at improvising weapons out of ordinary objects and using his surroundings. One of the few people to beat him in hand to hand combat is Wolverine, who has the advantage of more than a century of practice. Shang Chi is a master of meditation and relaxation techniques, enabling him to do anything ranging from receiving psychic visions to deadening his nerves to make incapable of feeling pain.

" Marvel.com:

Shang-Chi is one of the world's most adept combatants, trained in all known martial arts. He is also skilled at meditation, and has occasionally received visions while meditating.

Wikipedia:

Shang-Chi is classed as an athlete but he is one of the best non-superhumans in martial arts and has dedicated much of his life to the art, being referred to by some as the greatest empty handed fighter and practitioner of Kung Fu alive. Much of his physical abilities seem to stem from his mastery of chi, which often allows him to surpass physical limitations of normal athletes. In one instance, Shang was able to stand shirtless in minus 20 degree weather without feeling any physical discomfort. He has also demonstrated the ability to dodge bullets and to deflect single shots with his bracers. He is highly trained in the arts of concentration and meditation, and is also an expert in various hand-weapons including the bo, nunchakus, and shuriken.

Marvel Database:

Although Shang Chi primarily relies on his martial arts prowess, he has incredible control of his chi and body. He is able to enter a meditative, almost trancelike state to ignore pain, and/or resist the effects of drugs or poisons. His chi mastery also allows him to effectively detect nearby individuals, having been able to detect even Jean Grey hidden by her psychic powers. In several cases, his mastery of chi can be attributed to several near-superhuman feats, such as withstanding a punch from Hiriom the Shamed kicking over a car, and easily deflecting and dodging bullets.

Comicvine:

Although possessing no superpowers, Shang-Chi has a lifetime of martial arts training behind him, enabling to equal and best many superhumans. Mostly using his bare hands, Shang can also formidably use any martial arts weapon and is skilled at improvising weapons out of ordinary objects and using his surroundings. One of the few people to beat him in hand to hand combat is Wolverine, who has the advantage of more than a century of practice. Shang Chi is a master of meditation and relaxation techniques, enabling him to do anything ranging from receiving psychic visions to deadening his nerves to make incapable of feeling pain.

Not one of these sites say he has anything superhuman. Two of them actually say that he isn't. I don't have a handbook with Shang-Chi, but I'm sure if I did it would say he is not superhuman as well. "

" I don't normally, but since I have 4 sources that were in sync I figured its pretty reliable. "

"Like I said, I don't think I have a handbook that has Shang-Chi. But I'm almost 100% sure that if I did it would say something about him being non-superhuman. "

" when he doesnt amp up.. "

" when he doesnt amp up.. "