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round one both in character
round two blood lusted
korra with only water,fire,and earth
katara end of series level
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no blood bending and no avatar state
Katara vs Korra
Korra
Korra wins both.
@BlueComet said:
Katara wins both
Katara should win both rounds. Despite being the avatar, Korra lacks any finest or technique. Also in my opinion, benders in the The Legend of Korra story are weaker compared to the original series.
Remember, she can only blood bend on the full moon. No mention of that in the OP.
@JamesKM716 said:
Korra wins both.
@Supreme Marvel said:
Remember, she can only blood bend on the full moon. No mention of that in the OP.
Korra wins.
In R1 Korra knocks Katara down and start pulling out her hair.
In R2 Korra earthbends Katara into stone bindings and makes her look like Zuko.
@morgrim: question: did you watch the bending tournament from legend of korra?
@BlueComet said:
Katara wins both
Agreed.
Katara has way better feats and Skill so far than the first Season of Korra.
@morgrim: @CadenceV2: ??? Korra could do anything that Katara could do. Plus she has 2 more elements, crazy power, and combat skill up the wazzu. She has taken down 3 pro benders of different elements all at the same time and people using technology. So u guys are gonna need an actual argument.
Korra both rounds.
@YoungJustice:
Kattara defeated mutiple master Earth Benders.
As a rookie withstood Master Water Bender Pakku.
She defeated Zuko mutiple times.
Defeated one of the greatest Fire Benders ever Azula.
Beaten Suki.
Second to Learn and Master in moments Blood Bending.
One of the most accomplish Water Benders in the History of all Avatarverse.
Korra has one Season with little feats to compare.
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@UltimateHero0406: @UltimateHero0406: actually korras skill is not impressive and those three guys she beat werent even masters far from it plus they were playing a game katara has beaten HORDES of benders who hAve been trying to kill her also korras combat skill is mediocre it didnt stop two guys from jumping up and knocking her out in like 10 seconds also the only technology she really fought was the electric gloves and the machine and azulas lightening was more dangerous cuz it was close long and mid range plus the robots in retrospect werent that hard to beat
@CadenceV2 said:
@YoungJustice:
Kattara defeated mutiple master Earth Benders.
As a rookie withstood Master Water Bender Pakku.
She defeated Zuko mutiple times.
Defeated one of the greatest Fire Benders ever Azula.
Beaten Suki.
Second to Learn and Master in moments Blood Bending.
One of the most accomplish Water Benders in the History of all Avatarverse.
Korra has one Season with little feats to compare.
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Yes, she is indeed an extremely powerful, skilled, accomplished waterbender.
The thing she will have trouble with is Korra's blending of the elements.
Various times throughout the show, Korra has shown to be able to manipulate several elements at once. Something that could leave Katara at a bit of a disadvantage.
Also, with Korra's new found air bending, she has many more ways to attack.
@YoungJustice: Remember Airbending is not being used here. Not that she has any Experiance with it.
@CadenceV2 said:
@YoungJustice: Remember Airbending is not being used here. Not that she has any Experiance with it.
I do apologize, I didn't see that she didn't have air bending.
@CadenceV2: @morgrim:
1.They were not masters, they were footsoldiers, she had help, and she caught them by surprise with an ice one shot that Korra could easily counter.
2. Pakku was playing around and styled all over her. he could have ended it at anytime while Korra beat the pants off of her firebending teacher right off the bat.
3. As I recall, again she had help. And the time that she did best him, the moon was out and he was exhausted from infiltrating the northern water tribe. And he quickly pwned her afterwards.
4. She had help, she was running the whole fight, and if it wasn't for Zuko, she would have died.
5. Suki? You mean the nonbender?
5. Bloodbending isn't a factor here. And should Korra fall into the Avatar state, it, along with anything else Katara could do would be worthless. She could even take away Katara's bending if she wanted.
6. That all came after the series and it is all fluff.
7. Quality over quantity, and Korra has done some pretty badass stuff in that little time like mastering the water tube fly move thing which implies that her waterbending quite advanced. And with the variety of Korra's abilities, Katara would not have the raw power needed to take Korra down. And Korra was bending 2 elements even when she was a little girl and recieved training shortly after she was discovered up until her teenege years while Katara could barely waterbend by the time she was 13 and had no prior training so Korra has more experience as well.
@UltimateHero0406 said:
@CadenceV2: @morgrim:
1.They were not masters, they were footsoldiers, she had help, and she caught them by surprise with an ice one shot that Korra could easily counter.
2. Pakku was playing around and styled all over her. he could have ended it at anytime while Korra beat the pants off of her firebending teacher right off the bat.
3. As I recall, again she had help. And the time that she did best him, the moon was out and he was exhausted from infiltrating the northern water tribe. And he quickly pwned her afterwards.
4. She had help, she was running the whole fight, and if it wasn't for Zuko, she would have died.
5. Suki? You mean the nonbender?
5. Bloodbending isn't a factor here. And should Korra fall into the Avatar state, it, along with anything else Katara could do would be worthless. She could even take away Katara's bending if she wanted.
6. That all came after the series and it is all fluff.
7. Quality over quantity, and Korra has done some pretty badass stuff in that little time like mastering the water tube fly move thing. And with the variety of Korra's abilities, Katara would not have the raw power needed to take Korra down. And Korra was bending 2 elements even when she was a little girl while Katara could barely waterbend by the time she was 13.
this.
@UltimateHero0406 said:
@CadenceV2: @morgrim:
1.They were not masters, they were footsoldiers, she had help, and she caught them by surprise with an ice one shot that Korra could easily counter.
2. Pakku was playing around and styled all over her. he could have ended it at anytime while Korra beat the pants off of her firebending teacher right off the bat.
3. As I recall, again she had help. And the time that she did best him, the moon was out and he was exhausted from infiltrating the northern water tribe. And he quickly pwned her afterwards.
4. She had help, she was running the whole fight, and if it wasn't for Zuko, she would have died.
5. Suki? You mean the nonbender?
5. Bloodbending isn't a factor here. And should Korra fall into the Avatar state, it, along with anything else Katara could do would be worthless. She could even take away Katara's bending if she wanted.
6. That all came after the series and it is all fluff.
7. Quality over quantity, and Korra has done some pretty badass stuff in that little time like mastering the water tube fly move thing. And with the variety of Korra's abilities, Katara would not have the raw power needed to take Korra down. And Korra was bending 2 elements even when she was a little girl while Katara could barely waterbend by the time she was 13.
1) No the Dylee are Masters of Earh Bending.
2) Pakku that couldnt teach her anymore in a short few months.
3) She had NO Help both Times beating him and was still a mere Novice were he was train.
4) BS Zuko did nothing thru the fight with Azula.It was all Kattara in the end.
5) Yeah you know the Non Bender that beaten most of Aangs crew many times over and other Benders.
5 (5 again >_>) Wow again I never said Blood Bending is a factor. I merely said she mastered what Hamma took Years to perfect in minuets.
6) No. Katara was a top Master and well known at the end of the 3rd season. She alone lead the frontal attack and safe transit for the gathered forces on the Day of the Eclipse. Also the fact that she was remember as the best Water Bender ever is testament to her skills at the end of Season 3. No need to cry about the facts.
7) Quality and Qauntity for Kattara. She has better feats (again) and more of them (again). Korra has a few feat and only a handful are niffty.
@CadenceV2:
1. She could only defeat them by freezing them or hitting them with water which wouldn't do much on Korra for obvious reasons.
2. The Pakku thing is not a feat. She never got a hit in and she got pwned.
3.When did she really defeat him all by herself on an equal playing field and terms?
4. Azula would have shot her dead if Zuko had not redirected it so yeah I think he helped a little. And the way that she won would not work on Korra.
5. I admit Suki is pretty strong. But Korra has years more experience and training so that should make up for that.
6. All that is is kicking ass and telling people where to shoot, which is a strategy feat, not combat.
7. She never did anything that Korra could not do with ease.
Most of the things you have brought up are Katara taking on people with different elements and defeating them with sharp water or ice. But Korra controls water, fire, and earth. Since all Katara can do is waterbend, countering is easy. Ther is nothing Katara could do that Korra couldn't block or counter. Plus Korra has better close range and h2h ability which is augmented by earthbending. If you do trhe math, Korra takes it in a stomp.
@UltimateHero0406 said:
@CadenceV2:
1. She could only defeat them by freezing them or hitting them with water which wouldn't do much on Korra for obvious reasons.
2. The Pakku thing is not a feat. She never got a hit in and she got pwned.
3.When did she really defeat him all by herself on an equal playing field and terms?
4. Azula would have shot her dead if Zuko had not redirected it so yeah I think he helped a little. And the way that she won would not work on Korra.
5. I admit Suki is pretty strong. But Korra has years more experience and training so that should make up for that.
6. All that is is kicking ass and telling people where to shoot, which is a strategy feat, not combat.
7. She never did anything that Korra could not do with ease.
Most of the things you have brought up are Katara taking on people with different elements and defeating them with sharp water or ice. But Korra controls water, fire, and earth. Since all Katara can do is waterbend, countering is easy. Ther is nothing Katara could do that Korra couldn't block or counter. Plus Korra has better close range and h2h ability which is augmented by earthbending. If you do trhe math, Korra takes it in a stomp.
I've mentioned a few times with similar points and simple logic that katara has no chance against Korra but the LOA fanboyism is particularly strong. Korra is older, stronger, more agressive, is incredibly enthusiastic about learning to fight and picking up new techniques unlike the pacifist Aang and it's probably safe to assume that she is probably a naturally more powerful bender in any element simply because she is the avatar.
Katara has never obtained the rank of master in the shows time, has never beaten anyone with that rank and has a laughably small amount of training compared to Korra who was a confirmed master from the show's beginning.
Korra has nothing but good showings when it comes to straight bender vs bender fights, she has only performed badly against ambushes by unnaturally agile chi-blockers, ambushes by giant robots and super blood bending.
After her initial encounter with the unnaturally agile chi-blockers Korra had little difficulty in dealing with them and the generic bending foot soldiers are an absolute joke compared to them.
@UltimateHero0406: first off the people korra defeated in the first episode were not her masters they were just as u said foot soilders and it took her a pretty long time to beat them secondly the dai lee is an ancient secret order of highly trained earth benders so dont underestimate the fact that katara beat them along with most of the earth kings gaurds thridly in the earth season finale katara defeated azula by herself then zuko had to bail azula out also korra is a suky water bender she tried to stop ice needles by punching them and she couldnt take on amon in a frozen wasteland WHILE IT WAS SNOWING also for all aangs elements he couldnt take down azula and katara is better than azula and aang with three elements is greater than korra so do the math also u claim countering water bending is easy if u r a water bender well just look at Hama and the swamp benders katara took them down using the same element plus korra would keep alternatig which would actually make it easier for her so katara would stomp korra oh and just so u know KATARA DID OBTAIN MASTER RANK FROM PAKKU evdently u dont know ur avatar
@morgrim: Surprising someone with a water attack is not a real defeat. The vast majority of these "defeats" you guys keep mentioning are just Katara immobilizing people in ice which won't mean squat against Korra because she is a master waterbender as well. And you must have forgotten that Azula battle because you apparently forgot about the part where Azula shot lightning at Katara and Zuko took the hit for her. And I cannot concieve why you would say that Katara was better than Azula. Azula Is better in pretty much every way than Katara. The only reason that Katara won was because Azula was going insane and Katara found some chains. You cannot hold Amon against anyone seeing as he was a greater master water bender with serious h2h, and blood bending with decades of experience. Katara is nowhere near him. And the alternating would make it HARDER for Katara since she could not predict what was going to happen. You are simply overestimating her. As a matter of fact, since they are in the crystal caverns, Korra could make herself some earth or crystal armor making Katara's water attacks worthless. Being an earthbender under ground is like being Aquaman in the ocean. Katara will not win. And I still can't believe you said Katara was better than Azula. What were you thinking?
@morgrim: Punching ice needles? you do know that bending techniques are fighting techniques that produce elemental results at it worked so it was clearly the smart thing to do.
Bar his spiritual upbringing allowing him to access the avatar state earlier, Korra is amuch better bender when it comes to fighting, Aang is a pacifist and a 12 year old boy, Korra is a well developed 19 year old woman who is Aang in another life if he enjoyed fighting.
Aang would be better bender in it's non-aggressive forms as that is what he wanted to use it for but Korra would easily be the better bender because she is practically an older more aggressive version of him.
to the argument that all of katarras attacks would be nullified by korra thus preventing katara from striking. if 2 water benders fight is there bound to be no winner since theyre both water benders? no. when hama vs katara fought before they were interrupted by soka and ang katara had thrown hama to the ground doing 2 spins before she hit the ground. then theres pakku vs katara where katara was unable to touch pakku . clear winner on both fights one with a greater margin of victory than the other , skill in the water art is what tipps victory to your favor in a water bending fight and korra is not on parr with kataras water bending skill. it is katara that would render korras waterbending useless. but she still has fire and earth to deal with.
katara is a master unparalleled by other water benders but im not sure that alone could beat korra who can use 3 elements and is better skilled in h2h. korra likes to go in close while katara usually keeps her distance guess it would be who ever controls the disntance they excel at stands a better chance. korra would have to run in to close the distance while katara will have to push her opponent away. not sure but ill give it to katara whatever earth skill she has its nothing kaara hasnt seen done better by toph or bumi or daily agents with an extensive history with taking on the best firebenders in the world.
@Telcalipoca: Actually the best benders in the world where all adults. The LOA gang never actually fought any of the best benders in a serious fight.
@Dextersinister said:
I've mentioned a few times with similar points and simple logic that katara has no chance against Korra but the LOA fanboyism is particularly strong. Korra is older, stronger, more agressive, is incredibly enthusiastic about learning to fight and picking up new techniques unlike the pacifist Aang and it's probably safe to assume that she is probably a naturally more powerful bender in any element simply because she is the avatar.
Katara has never obtained the rank of master in the shows time, has never beaten anyone with that rank and has a laughably small amount of training compared to Korra who was a confirmed master from the show's beginning.
Korra has nothing but good showings when it comes to straight bender vs bender fights, she has only performed badly against ambushes by unnaturally agile chi-blockers, ambushes by giant robots and super blood bending.
After her initial encounter with the unnaturally agile chi-blockers Korra had little difficulty in dealing with them and the generic bending foot soldiers are an absolute joke compared to them.
naturally more powerful huh? as the avatar they can learn all of the elements how far they make it with each element is up to each individual incarnation. even if they are strong it doesnt mean they are strongest. do you believe ang was a better earth bender than toph or katara? both of them came up with techniques on their own without being thought by anyone else and showed greater showings with their element than the avatar with theirs.
it took korra years to get to where she is while it took katara one year of practice without much training by masters to reach her master level, and master she is though she might not have attended an acadamy or have tutors 24/7 to give her a diploma and make it officially known. when she reached the northern tribe she was already a skilled water bender without a lesson from anyone just a scroll and a horde of fire benders to practice on. she fought pakku who was the best water bending northern master and lost but did better than anyone would have done against him this showed she was skilled. her second water bending master oppenent was hama and she defeated her in a contest of water bending skill she knocked her and in the fight of blood bending after only just hearing it was possible she did it and overpowered the person who created it with that technique. 2 fights against water bending masters one early on which resulted in defeat and a later one with a victory under her belt. lets not forget about the other fire bending masters,skilled fire benders ,extremely skilled earth benders possibly masters(daly agents) she has faced and won. to say she isnt a master is denying every fight shes done simply because she had no training. if anything it shows how much of a beast she is
@Dextersinister said:
@Telcalipoca: Actually the best benders in the world where all adults. The LOA gang never actually fought any of the best benders in a serious fight.
aside from iroh, fire lord oazi katara pretty much saw all of the best masters at work. which is what i said seen or fought and the gang did take on some of the strongest benders.butt katara did for those in her field.she took on the top 2 water bending masters she lost against one but that fight took place before she ever had anyone teach her anything about water bending and she held her own better than most skilled water benders might have.by the end of the show i believe she would beat him. and even if they didnt take on the absolute best(iroh, bumi,pakku) they took on other world class tier 1 fighters and masters. ie. zhao wasnt the absolute best but he was a master and zuko took him, daly agents may not have being the best marters but they were some of the deadliest earth benders alive.
@Telcalipoca: Ok, you are seriously overestimating Katara.
katara is a master unparalleled by other water benders
That is horribly untrue. Even though she is a fast learner she is not the best waterbender in the world. she was not better than Pakku and and Hama was an old lady. Bloodbending was all she had. Her skill was not far past Korra. Plus the fact is that Korra is a far more experienced and trained waterbender which trumps talent. She trained in the 3 elements for 15 years at the leats which is longer than Katara was alive knowing barely the basics of waterbending. And Katara mostly just freezes people to immobilize which is not much of a win, even against Dai Li. They where easily defeated by anyone with skill. They are not even particularly powerful, they rely on numbers, stealthy cheap shots, and hand restraints to fight which makes them pretty average in a straight up fight. So trapping a couple is not much of a feat. Korra could do it as well. Katara has not done anything particularly special at any point in the series that trumps Korra.
@UltimateHero0406 said:
@Telcalipoca: Ok, you are seriously overestimating Katara.
katara is a master unparalleled by other water benders
That is horribly untrue. Even though she is a fast learner she is not the best waterbender in the world. she was not better than Pakku and and Hama was an old lady. Bloodbending was all she had. Her skill was not far past Korra. Plus the fact is that Korra is a far more experienced and trained waterbender which trumps talent. She trained in the 3 elements for 15 years at the leats which is longer than Katara was alive knowing barely the basics of waterbending. And Katara mostly just freezes people to immobilize which is not much of a win, even against Dai Li. They where easily defeated by anyone with skill. They are not even particularly powerful, they rely on numbers, stealthy cheap shots, and hand restraints to fight which makes them pretty average in a straight up fight. So trapping a couple is not much of a feat. Korra could do it as well. Katara has not done anything particularly special at any point in the series that trumps Korra.
hama might have being an old lady but her water bending skills were among the best ,she was able to squeeze every last drop from plants,trees or anything with water in an instant. though her body might have being frail due to old age her water bending skills made her a fearsome opponent that would have you dead to rights as soon as she got the waterso no blood bending wasnt all she had it was her ace though.I wouldnt put korra's water bending skill with hama's i have not seen anything impressive or creative done with her water bending. katara bested a water bending master and if a rematch occured she would beat pakku , she hadnt taken a single lesson in waterbending yet she stood to a master better than most water benders on the planet ,went on the beat another master at her own game after only seing the techinque not even a minute before. katara isnt simply talented she is a prodigy after knowing the basics she trained and got further in months than most would in their life time pakku and hama included.Though korra might have had alonger time to practice the elements she hasnt master them and katara did so in record time. in water bending skill alone katara is better.How she fights reflects her personality she could slice people up but she isnt a murderer even blood bending without killing or hurting is detestable to her so he opts for freezing.As for the daili being defeated by anyone with skill i saw them bring up the earth use it like slides and other creative ways far better usage and deadlier than simply throwing a rock so they werent simple benders with some skill.
@Telcalipoca: By strength I mean mean that if Toph where to move as much dirt as she could Aang could almost certainly move more, if Katara where to move as much water as she could Aang could almost certainly move more.
Aang was originally more gifted than Katara but he was still only a 12 year old boy, a pacifist which is a huge limitation on what he was willing to do in a fight as you can see in multiple occasions moments where he could have won but would have seriously harmed his opponent and was also effectively trying to master 3 fighting styles at the same time as well with trying to stop a war vs their one.
You say that Korra took years to get to where she is but where still but we are still unsure just how powerful she really is, she has dominated every straight up bending fight she has ever been and she was a better bender when she was 4 than Katara was when she was 14.
Like I've said before Aang was shown to be one of the least violent avatars so he isn't the best comparison but in raw power he has better feats than anyone else in the show and that even oustside the avatar state for example when he made the zoo, I assume Korra would be just as powerful maybe more so because she is older but because it was set in a city we couldn't see that for obvious reasons except maybe that bit where she stopped torpedoes and planes..
@CadenceV2 said:
@YoungJustice:
Kattara defeated mutiple master Earth Benders.
As a rookie withstood Master Water Bender Pakku.
She defeated Zuko mutiple times.
Defeated one of the greatest Fire Benders ever Azula.
Beaten Suki.
Second to Learn and Master in moments Blood Bending.
One of the most accomplish Water Benders in the History of all Avatarverse.
Korra has one Season with little feats to compare.
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As a waterbender she is superior, but I still don't see her taking down Korra, assuming this is her end of series form (minus the air bending). By episode 12 chi blockers were pretty much fodder to her.
"Defeated Zuko". Show me her beating Zuko after he became decent, I would be interested to see some of those clips.
"Defeated Azula". Oh please, you can't really be using that as a legitimate feat. Azula wasn't at her best there, and Katara still only won thanks to a convenient water hole in the ground. Had that been a straight fight Katara would have lost. Azula>Katara.
"Beaten Suki". I'm not even going to consider that.
I generally agree that LOA benders>LOK benders, but I think Korra wins 7/10 on this (it would be a tough one).
@girugamesh said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@YoungJustice:
Kattara defeated mutiple master Earth Benders.
As a rookie withstood Master Water Bender Pakku.
She defeated Zuko mutiple times.
Defeated one of the greatest Fire Benders ever Azula.
Beaten Suki.
Second to Learn and Master in moments Blood Bending.
One of the most accomplish Water Benders in the History of all Avatarverse.
Korra has one Season with little feats to compare.
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As a waterbender she is superior, but I still don't see her taking down Korra, assuming this is her end of series form (minus the air bending). By episode 12 chi blockers were pretty much fodder to her.
"Defeated Zuko". Show me her beating Zuko after he became decent, I would be interested to see some of those clips.
"Defeated Azula". Oh please, you can't really be using that as a legitimate feat. Azula wasn't at her best there, and Katara still only won thanks to a convenient water hole in the ground. Had that been a straight fight Katara would have lost. Azula>Katara.
"Beaten Suki". I'm not even going to consider that.
I generally agree that LOA benders>LOK benders, but I think Korra wins 7/10 on this (it would be a tough one).
Zuko was good enough to defeat General Zhao. A considered Master Firebender.
Kattara Beaten Zuko twice in Season 1 and again in Season 2.
Azula beaten by Kattara twice isnt a feat? Oh Please. Kattara also more than match Azula in the last battle in season 2 (Oh how people like to forget) while fighting off Dy'Lee as well. Then defeated her outright in Season 3 when the Coment was approaching which in turn increase Azulas power by alot.
Yup Suki who gives every Bender a hard time.
LOA > to LOK and Kattara has proven to hang and defeat the best of LOA.
Kattara's Water Bending > Korra's Fire, Earth, and Water Bending.
@CadenceV2: General Zhao was not considered a master fire bender and like most of the adults in the LOA was not that good in a fight. LOK was a more mature and serious show with more credible villains as they where all adults instead of children.
Other than the fire lord was there ever a decent adult antagonist? I honestly wouldn't even rate the Firelord that highly.
@Telcalipoca said:
As for the daili being defeated by anyone with skill i saw them bring up the earth use it like slides and other creative ways far better usage and deadlier than simply throwing a rock so they werent simple benders with some skill.
Doesn't matter, they still got pwned in a straight forward fight meaning they were weak. All they have is numbers and metal restraints.
@CadenceV2 said:
Kattara's Water Bending > Korra's Fire, Earth, and Water Bending.
No seriously you guys gotta stop overestimating Katara. Master waterbending comes nowhere close to Master Fire, Earth, and Waterbending. It simply does not add up. Maybe if Katara had oh, i don't know, picked up a battleship and tossed it or swamped an entire island, then I would give her some cred. Or maybe even if she one shotted 3 people by herself with little effort multiple times. Wait a second, Korra did do that last thing. But anyway, you guys can add up all her achievements of mastering bloodbending and giving Pakku a run for his money (which she didn't), or beating up an old lady (shame on you), but Korra still ads up to more. She was bending multiple elements by the time she was no older than 4 or 5, had around 15 years of training (which is longer than Katara has been alive). And the Avatar state is not too far off. She spoke to Aang and learned how to restore bending which would imply that she has a stronger connection to the spirit world. And in that state, all of Aang's achievements are hers which would mean automatic K.O. But this is not even the base of my argument. I'm saying Korra has more raw power and variety than Katara can handle. I want you to name 5 times that Katara seriously took somebody down with no help and no surprise attacks. And just freezing them is no good for obvious reasons.
@UltimateHero0406: Don't forget the impressive display when she moved about the bay taking down planes, I don't think katara ever displayed anything close to the level of agility while moving through water.
@UltimateHero0406:
No seriously you guys gotta stop overestimating Katara. Master waterbending comes nowhere close to Master Fire, Earth, and Waterbending.
Ever hear the old addage "quantity does not equal quality"? It's applicable here. There are scads of examples from the Avatar universe of benders being stomped by non-benders, and people with multiple bending powers being beaten by people with one or zero bending powers. Having more bending powers certainly is an advantage, but you really can't just use a blanket statement like that.
Maybe if Katara had oh, i don't know, picked up a battleship and tossed it or swamped an entire island, then I would give her some cred.
And if Korra had done anything other than beat mediocre-at-best pro benders, maybe I'd give her some cred.
Or maybe even if she one shotted 3 people by herself with little effort multiple times. Wait a second, Korra did do that last thing.
Are you trying to say Katara hasn't done the same thing? She has three seasons of fight scenes to choose from...
Pakku a run for his money (which she didn't)
I agree that she wasn't actually giving Pakku a run for his money. He was playing with her. Nevertheless, that does not discount the impressiveness of that fight. Everything she did in that fight, she did without a single lick of waterbending training (unless you want to count the one waterbending scroll she had earlier in the season). Considering how much of a total noob she was at that point, the waterbending moves she was doing were genuinely impressive.
She was bending multiple elements by the time she was no older than 4 or 5
Well, yeah, it sounds good when you say it like that. But all she ever did at that age was pick up break a small hole in a wall/ make a tiny whiff of fire, etc. I'm not trying to argue your actual point here, but you're making your argument sound like more than it is. The way you're saying it makes it sound like she actually had some decent level of mastery at that age.
Regardless of skill level, bending in an of itself at a very young age doesn't seem to be all that uncommon. Meelo is already a decent airbender, and he's probably no more than 6 or 7. Toph was still very young when she first started learning from the badger moles. In a nutshell, the ability to bend an element at a very young age is not necessarily impressive or above-par.
had around 15 years of training (which is longer than Katara has been alive).
This is an issue that comes up a lot in the battles forum. It very rarely matters how much training someone has had or who trained them. The only thing that actually matters is feats. One could argue that Hawkeye is a master hand-to-hand combatant because he's recieved training from Captain America and he spent a lot of time as Ronin. But when it all boils down, he really doesn't have any hand-to-hand feats that are all that impressive. This concept applies here too. Korra may have been training for her whole life, but I can't remember seeing any waterbending feats from her that I could consider more impressive than what Katara did in her fight with Pakku (which, as I've already said, was before she had any training at all).
And the Avatar state is not too far off
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the OP say no Avatar State?
She spoke to Aang and learned how to restore bending which would imply that she has a stronger connection to the spirit world.
Korra's connection to the spirit world has little, if anything, to do with this fight. Not only is the Avatar State not allowed in the OP, but it's been stated in the LoK series that Korra's understanding of the spiritual side of bending has always been very lacking (somebody in the Order of the White Lotus said that in the pilot episode right after she passed her firebending test).
I'm saying Korra has more raw power and variety than Katara can handle.
She does have more varitety. I'll give her that. But I would disagree on the raw power part.
I want you to name 5 times that Katara seriously took somebody down with no help and no surprise attacks. And just freezing them is no good for obvious reasons.
I fail to see why it's so obvious that freezing an opponent doesn't count. It seems like a very legitimate attack move to me. Waterbenders do it all the time...
And I think it's pointless for me to try to describe a few specific examples or fights to you. Everyone, myself included, has a tendency to embellish arguments and make them sound a bit better than they actually are. If you want examples of some of Katara's more impressive feats, I've found a rather decent youtube video showcasing quite a few of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VKjGrhpJI
This is spite. Katara was barely any better than Korra by the end of the original series if at all, and Korra has way more powers. Korra destroys her.
@(((Prodigy))) said:
@UltimateHero0406:
No seriously you guys gotta stop overestimating Katara. Master waterbending comes nowhere close to Master Fire, Earth, and Waterbending.Ever hear the old addage "quantity does not equal quality"? It's applicable here. There are scads of examples from the Avatar universe of benders being stomped by non-benders, and people with multiple bending powers being beaten by people with one or zero bending powers. Having more bending powers certainly is an advantage, but you really can't just use a blanket statement like that.
Maybe if Katara had oh, i don't know, picked up a battleship and tossed it or swamped an entire island, then I would give her some cred.And if Korra had done anything other than beat mediocre-at-best pro benders, maybe I'd give her some cred.
Or maybe even if she one shotted 3 people by herself with little effort multiple times. Wait a second, Korra did do that last thing.Are you trying to say Katara hasn't done the same thing? She has three seasons of fight scenes to choose from...
Pakku a run for his money (which she didn't)I agree that she wasn't actually giving Pakku a run for his money. He was playing with her. Nevertheless, that does not discount the impressiveness of that fight. Everything she did in that fight, she did without a single lick of waterbending training (unless you want to count the one waterbending scroll she had earlier in the season). Considering how much of a total noob she was at that point, the waterbending moves she was doing were genuinely impressive.
She was bending multiple elements by the time she was no older than 4 or 5Well, yeah, it sounds good when you say it like that. But all she ever did at that age was pick up break a small hole in a wall/ make a tiny whiff of fire, etc. I'm not trying to argue your actual point here, but you're making your argument sound like more than it is. The way you're saying it makes it sound like she actually had some decent level of mastery at that age.
Regardless of skill level, bending in an of itself at a very young age doesn't seem to be all that uncommon. Meelo is already a decent airbender, and he's probably no more than 6 or 7. Toph was still very young when she first started learning from the badger moles. In a nutshell, the ability to bend an element at a very young age is not necessarily impressive or above-par.
had around 15 years of training (which is longer than Katara has been alive).This is an issue that comes up a lot in the battles forum. It very rarely matters how much training someone has had or who trained them. The only thing that actually matters is feats. One could argue that Hawkeye is a master hand-to-hand combatant because he's recieved training from Captain America and he spent a lot of time as Ronin. But when it all boils down, he really doesn't have any hand-to-hand feats that are all that impressive. This concept applies here too. Korra may have been training for her whole life, but I can't remember seeing any waterbending feats from her that I could consider more impressive than what Katara did in her fight with Pakku (which, as I've already said, was before she had any training at all).
And the Avatar state is not too far offCorrect me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the OP say no Avatar State?
She spoke to Aang and learned how to restore bending which would imply that she has a stronger connection to the spirit world.Korra's connection to the spirit world has little, if anything, to do with this fight. Not only is the Avatar State not allowed in the OP, but it's been stated in the LoK series that Korra's understanding of the spiritual side of bending has always been very lacking (somebody in the Order of the White Lotus said that in the pilot episode right after she passed her firebending test).
I'm saying Korra has more raw power and variety than Katara can handle.She does have more varitety. I'll give her that. But I would disagree on the raw power part.
I want you to name 5 times that Katara seriously took somebody down with no help and no surprise attacks. And just freezing them is no good for obvious reasons.I fail to see why it's so obvious that freezing an opponent doesn't count. It seems like a very legitimate attack move to me. Waterbenders do it all the time...
And I think it's pointless for me to try to describe a few specific examples or fights to you. Everyone, myself included, has a tendency to embellish arguments and make them sound a bit better than they actually are. If you want examples of some of Katara's more impressive feats, I've found a rather decent youtube video showcasing quite a few of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VKjGrhpJI
Agreed.
@CadenceV2: @(((Prodigy))): Let me start by saying that I know Katara's feats. I watched every episode of the first series multiple times over.
Now let's see what you are saying here.
@(((Prodigy))) said:
@UltimateHero0406:
No seriously you guys gotta stop overestimating Katara. Master waterbending comes nowhere close to Master Fire, Earth, and Waterbending.Ever hear the old addage "quantity does not equal quality"? It's applicable here. There are scads of examples from the Avatar universe of benders being stomped by non-benders, and people with multiple bending powers being beaten by people with one or zero bending powers. Having more bending powers certainly is an advantage, but you really can't just use a blanket statement like that.
I was saying that you can't say that one person's bending is so good that it trumps other masteries of bending. Im not seeing how Katara's waterbending is sooo much better than Korra. She has never done anything that Korra is not capable of. She can do that water tube thing, snowboard, super swim, everything so I think it more than fair to say that their levels of waterbending are about equal. Trying to boost Katara past Korra by waving around her quick learning is just speculation on her limits which has no place here. She has not shown any raw combat feats that were particularly impressive.
Are you trying to say Katara hasn't done the same thing? She has three seasons of fight scenes to choose from...
Alright, you have that one.
I agree that she wasn't actually giving Pakku a run for his money. He was playing with her. Nevertheless, that does not discount the impressiveness of that fight. Everything she did in that fight, she did without a single lick of waterbending training (unless you want to count the one waterbending scroll she had earlier in the season). Considering how much of a total noob she was at that point, the waterbending moves she was doing were genuinely impressive.
Combat experience is the best experience. She had been on the way to the NWT for a while and had gotten into some fights along the way. She picked up a few tricks in the scuffles was all. It's not like she never been in a real fight up until Pakku. But even that does not trump over a decade of training and some combat experience.
Well, yeah, it sounds good when you say it like that. But all she ever did at that age was pick up break a small hole in a wall/ make a tiny whiff of fire, etc. I'm not trying to argue your actual point here, but you're making your argument sound like more than it is. The way you're saying it makes it sound like she actually had some decent level of mastery at that age.
Regardless of skill level, bending in an of itself at a very young age doesn't seem to be all that uncommon. Meelo is already a decent airbender, and he's probably no more than 6 or 7. Toph was still very young when she first started learning from the badger moles. In a nutshell, the ability to bend an element at a very young age is not necessarily impressive or above-par.
Ok, this is true. But if you look at it like that, Katara couldn't even throw water in a straight line by the time she was 13. But this is no longer my point.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the OP say no Avatar State?
Korra's connection to the spirit world has little, if anything, to do with this fight. Not only is the Avatar State not allowed in the OP, but it's been stated in the LoK series that Korra's understanding of the spiritual side of bending has always been very lacking (somebody in the Order of the White Lotus said that in the pilot episode right after she passed her firebending test).
The person who made this changed the op after I read it but like I said, Avatar state is not the basis of my argument.
I fail to see why it's so obvious that freezing an opponent doesn't count. It seems like a very legitimate attack move to me. Waterbenders do it all the time...
And I think it's pointless for me to try to describe a few specific examples or fights to you. Everyone, myself included, has a tendency to embellish arguments and make them sound a bit better than they actually are. If you want examples of some of Katara's more impressive feats, I've found a rather decent youtube video showcasing quite a few of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VKjGrhpJI
??? What do you mean you can't see why? Because Korra is a waterbender. Being able to freeze someone doesn't mean much against a high calibur waterbender. Even if Korra didn't block the shot, she could just unfreeze herself and keep going. And I would like to know all of these special feats you guys meep mentioning where Katara stone cold took someone down validly or did something that Korra couldn't. Other than that I don't see Katara winning here. Id say Katara 3/10 at the most. And also the fact that they are underground gives Korra the advantage since she is an earthbender and since there is water, it is just as much Katara'a advantage as it is Korra's. Its all about adding up the factors.
@UltimateHero0406 said:
@(((Prodigy))) said:
@UltimateHero0406:
No seriously you guys gotta stop overestimating Katara. Master waterbending comes nowhere close to Master Fire, Earth, and Waterbending.Ever hear the old addage "quantity does not equal quality"? It's applicable here. There are scads of examples from the Avatar universe of benders being stomped by non-benders, and people with multiple bending powers being beaten by people with one or zero bending powers. Having more bending powers certainly is an advantage, but you really can't just use a blanket statement like that.
I was saying that you can't say that one person's bending is so good that it trumps other masteries of bending. Im not seeing how Katara's waterbending is sooo much better than Korra. She has never done anything that Korra is not capable of. She can do that water tube thing, snowboard, super swim, everything so I think it more than fair to say that their levels of waterbending are about equal. Trying to boost Katara past Korra by waving around her quick learning is just speculation on her limits which has no place here. She has not shown any raw combat feats that were particularly impressive.
Korra mostly uses her fire and earth skills, her waterbending feats are kind of rare, and Korra isn't on Katara level at waterbending.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't remember Korra creating a 8 tentacle water structure, and cutting metal with water, or creating massive waves of water.
I fail to see why it's so obvious that freezing an opponent doesn't count. It seems like a very legitimate attack move to me. Waterbenders do it all the time...
And I think it's pointless for me to try to describe a few specific examples or fights to you. Everyone, myself included, has a tendency to embellish arguments and make them sound a bit better than they actually are. If you want examples of some of Katara's more impressive feats, I've found a rather decent youtube video showcasing quite a few of them. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-VKjGrhpJI??? What do you mean you can't see why? Because Korra is a waterbender. Being able to freeze someone doesn't mean much against a high calibur waterbender. Even if Korra didn't block the shot, she could just unfreeze herself and keep going. And I would like to know all of these special feats you guys meep mentioning where Katara stone cold took someone down validly or did something that Korra couldn't. Other than that I don't see Katara winning here. Id say Katara 3/10 at the most. And also the fact that they are underground gives Korra the advantage since she is an earthbender and since there is water, it is just as much Katara'a advantage as it is Korra's. Its all about adding up the factors.
If Korra gets freezed, there's nothing she can do, at least not as a waterbender. Any kind of bending need movement in order to manipulate the element, you can't bend metal, create fire, freeze water by just having a thought. If Korra wanted to unfreeze herself, she would need to move in order to bend the water, but she wouldn't since she would be freezed
@girugamesh said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@YoungJustice:
Kattara defeated mutiple master Earth Benders.
As a rookie withstood Master Water Bender Pakku.
She defeated Zuko mutiple times.
Defeated one of the greatest Fire Benders ever Azula.
Beaten Suki.
Second to Learn and Master in moments Blood Bending.
One of the most accomplish Water Benders in the History of all Avatarverse.
Korra has one Season with little feats to compare.
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As a waterbender she is superior, but I still don't see her taking down Korra, assuming this is her end of series form (minus the air bending). By episode 12 chi blockers were pretty much fodder to her.
"Defeated Zuko". Show me her beating Zuko after he became decent, I would be interested to see some of those clips.
"Defeated Azula". Oh please, you can't really be using that as a legitimate feat. Azula wasn't at her best there, and Katara still only won thanks to a convenient water hole in the ground. Had that been a straight fight Katara would have lost. Azula>Katara.
"Beaten Suki". I'm not even going to consider that.
I generally agree that LOA benders>LOK benders, but I think Korra wins 7/10 on this (it would be a tough one).
Yes, as a waterbender she is really superior, Korra mostly uses her fire skills and then earth skills, rarely she uses her waterbending. I agree that because of this others bending, Korra has more chances to win. But Katara is capable of beating Korra, yes.
You said beating Azula wasn't a legitimate feat, of course it is. I don't know if you remember, but when she fought Azula, their were fightning under the Sozin Comet, so Azula's bending were like crazy powerful. Katara won because of the water in the ground, yes, but you must see that firebenders can create as much fire as they want, so of course a waterbender would need an appropriate amount of water to face a firebender under this conditions. Katara was even able to defend herself agains't a lightning from Azula, that almost killed Zuko, even when he redirected most of it. So yes, beating Azula is a great feat.
About defeating Zuko, yes, he wasn't a very decent fire bender when the fight happened, I believe your talking about their fight at the end of book 1, if so, Katara wasn't a master either, she just had lessons with Pakku, so they were in probably the same lvl in that fight. If your talking about the fight in Crossroads of Destiny episode, Katar was in advantage, she only took hits because Azula and Zuko started to attack her at the same time.Until the time time where the earthbenders appeared, the fight was a draw, and even so, when Aang was defeated by Azula, Katara defeated something like at least 30 earthbenders and saved Aang.
Suki, I don't if you remember, but in her re-match with Ty Lee, Suki was able to hold herself in the battle. Suki became a very skilled fighter at the end of the series, in the point where she was able to learn the pressure points technique from Ty Lee, since she taught her when they were in prision.
It's true that Hamma wasn't in her best because of her age, but even so, what she took years to master, Katara was able to learn in few minutes. Katara has Waterbending, bloodbending, and healing feats, I know really few other benders that can do all of that. Also, Korra still only faced street fighters, Katara has faced mostly deadly fights, she has far more experience with fights than Korra has at the moment, that's why I think Katar can beat Korra in this one
@Dextersinister said:
@UltimateHero0406: Don't forget the impressive display when she moved about the bay taking down planes, I don't think katara ever displayed anything close to the level of agility while moving through water.
Yes, she did, on The Day of Black Sun, while mounted in Appa, she fought several airplanes and zeppelins form the Fire nation. Also, while moving through water, she fought the Serpent from The Serpent Pass
I take Katara for all rounds :)
@Mythologico4: First of all Korra would not allow herself to get frozen in the first place. But if she did, she could easily unfreeze herself just like katara did when she froze herself and Azula. Also yes Korra has done impressive waterbending things like the flying water spiral, super swimming/water skiing, and snowboarding. As for cutting metal, Korra wouldn't get hit by such an obvious attack. Easily parry and repose. Also Korra has defeated chi blockers (which Katara had trouble with for lack of h2h skill) and people with tazers (which Katara never faced) so a little metal cutting water would be nothing. Plus Katara would need to get close to pull of such a move and if she did get close, its game over since Korra whoops ass in close combat. As for Azula, beating someone doesn't count if you get help. First off, she had already been fighting Zuko and was in a weakened state of mind so she wasn't at 100%. And she would have DIED before she even started if Zuko wasn't there to redirect the lightining. Also, she found chains and a water way to restrain Azula which means without that lucky find, the battle could have gone a different way. As for defeating the earthbenders, defeating a bunch of grunts is no reason to assume that her power is unmatchable. Korra had beaten plenty in her day with better tech.
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