@kasya_carey: Saying anyone in bleach is above Kaguya is a lie of the highest accord. Nobody in bleach is physically above the raikage and nobody in bleach is above Edo Madara in terms of overall power, hax maybe, but those hax have a minuscule scale they work on.
@kasya_carey: Saying anyone in bleach is above Kaguya is a lie of the highest accord. Nobody in bleach is physically above the raikage and nobody in bleach is above Edo Madara in terms of overall power, hax maybe, but those hax have a minuscule scale they work on.
lmao just stop. Yhwach was going to erase 3 worlds and make them into one.
@kasya_carey: Saying anyone in bleach is above Kaguya is a lie of the highest accord. Nobody in bleach is physically above the raikage and nobody in bleach is above Edo Madara in terms of overall power, hax maybe, but those hax have a minuscule scale they work on.
lmao just stop. Yhwach was going to erase 3 worlds and make them into one.
And Kaguya wiped a full dimension casually that displayed a full on star and moon along with may or may not be another planet in the backdrop? Im sorry what were you saying again?
@cosmic_lantern: ummm let's see Yoruichi and soi-fon plus shunko also yammy
yummy may be physically stronger sure. but we've seen that this is not an issue. yummy is arguably maybe as strong as the Gedo statue and his highest showings, his cero, was *maybe* city level. and thats being generous with it.
yoruichi and soi-fon have no showings that put them on the scale of kaguya. none. and if you can't find them PLEASE POST SOME SCANS. without anything to back up your claims, they are just that. basically just some claims.
@kasya_carey: Saying anyone in bleach is above Kaguya is a lie of the highest accord. Nobody in bleach is physically above the raikage and nobody in bleach is above Edo Madara in terms of overall power, hax maybe, but those hax have a minuscule scale they work on.
lmao just stop. Yhwach was going to erase 3 worlds and make them into one.
And Kaguya wiped a full dimension casually that displayed a full on star and moon along with may or may not be another planet in the backdrop? Im sorry what were you saying again?
I never said anything about kaguya, i was talking about your Madara comment which was obviously false.
@cosmic_lantern: other than makes his attacks useless, and Yoruichi fight with yammy proves how strong her strength is with out enhancements.
One simple request, prove they've ever done anything on the scale of which it would effect any attack Madara throws at them along with proof that can react and do anything before he throws said attack.
@kasya_carey: Saying anyone in bleach is above Kaguya is a lie of the highest accord. Nobody in bleach is physically above the raikage and nobody in bleach is above Edo Madara in terms of overall power, hax maybe, but those hax have a minuscule scale they work on.
lmao just stop. Yhwach was going to erase 3 worlds and make them into one.
And Kaguya wiped a full dimension casually that displayed a full on star and moon along with may or may not be another planet in the backdrop? Im sorry what were you saying again?
I never said anything about kaguya, i was talking about your Madara comment which was obviously false.
took out lanterns tags, so hopefully that works.
i agree yhwach could have more power then madara, but he never successfully destroyed the three worlds.
a better feat would be him creating his massive city/stronghold. he took the soul palace and the 5 surrounding city/disks and combined them and made one massive super structure. that IS a huge feat, and arguably could trump madara's. but thats it. and from a battles stand point, other then creating it and then dumping it on their heads meteor style, theres not much you can use that type of feat for.
where as kaguya did wipe out a dimension. that happened on panel and depending on the size of the dimension, we can say its at the very very very least island- small country is level. at the very least. and thats going solely on the actual landscape we see, discounting the moon/planet/etc in the background.
and in cosmic's defense his statement still stands somewhat true for everybody outside of yhwachs's unquantifiable feats.
@cosmic_lantern: madara did say only physical attacks would work. I would say Yoruichi and yammy are up there in the naruto verse in strength.yhwach is in the same category as kaguya possibly higher.
madara did say only physical attacks would work. I would say Yoruichi and yammy are up there in the naruto verse in strength.
please show examples of this. pleas show yoruichi showing physical feats of this. AGAIN i will ask for scans for ANY of your wild claims. even just one damn scan would be nice.
and even still its still meaning less. choji was hyped to be one of the strongest characters in naruto, with him and his father getting to a size and strength where they can physically throw around the gedo statue. does that mean choji can solo kaguya/madara?
absolutely not.
strength is meaningless if you are not fast enough or efficient enough to use it properly. this is EXACTLY why yammy lost in the first place. this si why he got his ass handed to him by byakuya and kenpachi. kenpacho outclassed how raw strength and byakuya and kenpachi were much faster then him.
@chair-sama: never said anything about madara... I said their strength is pretty good for the naruto verse. Also Yoruichi is pretty up in speed.. In kage fight madara stated only physical attacks work on him.
@kasya_carey: cosmic was talking about edo madara. The only way to beat him is seal him, and cosmic wasn't only talking physical strength when he said "overall power"
@chair-sama: the kido byakuya used on renji in ss. Yoruichi used a kido on rangiku's zanpaktou spirit & someone else's zanpaktou spirit that restricted their movements. It was filler though.
Logically speaking yoruichi should know the same kido byakuya used on renji in the ss arc. I'm on a phone so I can't show you any scans.
@jrnic1: tp feats? Also tifa could just easily teleport. Mostly all the give here can fly. Yeah a very small planet she can. She's not even on vegeta level when he first came to Earth.
@jrnic1: tp feats? Also tifa could just easily teleport. Mostly all the give here can fly. Yeah a very small planet she can. She's not even on vegeta level when he first came to Earth.
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Putting the entire planet in an illusion (and being the progenitor of Chakra and possessing the original dojutsu) tells me that she has the best TP abilities in the verse. Much weaker characters can make people believe they are paper burning (Itachi).
Kaguya rewrites the surroundings by summoning a dimension filled with acid. Flying won't help. They're already submerged under a planet of acid. Kaguya then leaves through a portal.
@jrnic1: could have sworn flying helped team 7 in that volcano but ok... Her tp requires her opponents to have chakra right?
@thevivas: actually I was just making an argument about the teams power and other people have debated on this thread to....so yeah
Flying won't help if they are already submerged under a dimension of acid. Even if they can escape, Kaguya can merge with nature and catch them in waves on acid.
The claim that opponents require chakra for genjutsu to work is considered highly fallacious on this site. That's like arguing that reiatsu soul crush doesn't work outside of the Bleach verse, or that Goku can't create spirit-bombs in a setting outside DBZ, or that Hyuuga's pressure point attacks don't work on people outside of Naruto, or that Mana absorption only works on people who have Mana.
When debating across fictional verses, we equalise energy otherwise both opponents won't be able to use many of their abilities.
1. The claim that opponents require chakra for genjutsu to work is considered highly fallacious on this site.
2. reiatsu soul crush doesn't work outside of the Bleach verse
3. Hyuuga's pressure point attacks don't work on people outside of Naruto
Have to disagree with these too.
1. We know genjutsu works by controlling the chakra flowing through the target's brain. Further backed up by the fact that the ways to escape genjutsu are to agitate chakra flow or have someone else do it. Characters from other verses don't have these ways of escaping it, so it's an unfair advantage for Narutoverse.
The only exception to this is Infinite Tsukuyomi, but that also has a physical effect so it's not really comparable to any other genjutsu.
2. It shouldn't for the same reason that characters from other verses have no counter to it and/or we don't know how they would be affected by different strengths of Reiatsu.
3. Gentle fist should still work in the sense that it does more damage to organs than normal strikes, but since characters from other verses don't use chakra or have chakra points it's silly to think gentle first would stop them from using any abilities.
@jrnic1: could have sworn flying helped team 7 in that volcano but ok... Her tp requires her opponents to have chakra right?
@thevivas: actually I was just making an argument about the teams power and other people have debated on this thread to....so yeah
Flying won't help if they are already submerged under a dimension of acid. Even if they can escape, Kaguya can merge with nature and catch them in waves on acid.
The claim that opponents require chakra for genjutsu to work is considered highly fallacious on this site. That's like arguing that reiatsu soul crush doesn't work outside of the Bleach verse, or that Goku can't create spirit-bombs in a setting outside DBZ, or that Hyuuga's pressure point attacks don't work on people outside of Naruto, or that Mana absorption only works on people who have Mana.
When debating across fictional verses, we equalise energy otherwise both opponents won't be able to use many of their abilities.
Still a spite. Still Kaguya.
When has She flat out done this? Rukia could probably freeze it, or Yoruichi and Kikyo could make barriers around them along with Tifa. If that's the case then Tifa could just manipulate her chakra since you have to equalize energy.
1. The claim that opponents require chakra for genjutsu to work is considered highly fallacious on this site.
2. reiatsu soul crush doesn't work outside of the Bleach verse
3. Hyuuga's pressure point attacks don't work on people outside of Naruto
Have to disagree with these too.
1. We know genjutsu works by controlling the chakra flowing through the target's brain. Further backed up by the fact that the ways to escape genjutsu are to agitate chakra flow or have someone else do it. Characters from other verses don't have these ways of escaping it, so it's an unfair advantage for Narutoverse.
The only exception to this is Infinite Tsukuyomi, but that also has a physical effect so it's not really comparable to any other genjutsu.
2. It shouldn't for the same reason that characters from other verses have no counter to it and/or we don't know how they would be affected by different strengths of Reiatsu.
3. Gentle fist should still work in the sense that it does more damage to organs than normal strikes, but since characters from other verses don't use chakra or have chakra points it's silly to think gentle first would stop them from using any abilities.
Take into consideration the opponents TP resistance feats and all is swell. We allow genjutsu to work on this site. :)
And by the Hyuuga's abilities, I'm talking about the poressure point attack. By the same logic, it has no effect on characters who do not have Chakra pressure points. Anyway, Kaguya still stomps.
@jrnic1: could have sworn flying helped team 7 in that volcano but ok... Her tp requires her opponents to have chakra right?
@thevivas: actually I was just making an argument about the teams power and other people have debated on this thread to....so yeah
Flying won't help if they are already submerged under a dimension of acid. Even if they can escape, Kaguya can merge with nature and catch them in waves on acid.
The claim that opponents require chakra for genjutsu to work is considered highly fallacious on this site. That's like arguing that reiatsu soul crush doesn't work outside of the Bleach verse, or that Goku can't create spirit-bombs in a setting outside DBZ, or that Hyuuga's pressure point attacks don't work on people outside of Naruto, or that Mana absorption only works on people who have Mana.
When debating across fictional verses, we equalise energy otherwise both opponents won't be able to use many of their abilities.
Still a spite. Still Kaguya.
When has She flat out done this?
Rukia could probably freeze it,
or Yoruichi and Kikyo could make barriers around them along with Tifa. If that's the case then
Tifa could just manipulate her chakra since you have to equalize energy.
Done what? Changed dimensions? lol.
If you mean Illusions, power-scaling wise she solos everyone by making them think they are rocks.
Please show me feats (or use power scaling) to show that Rukia can freeze an entire dimension. Plus, Kaguya completely merges with her dimensions, and she has better elemental control than anyone in the HST. She controls the frozen acid and uses it to attack Rukia.
Barriers get finger flicked. Juubi Obito (who is FAR weaker than Kaguya) ripped apart a barrier which tanked 4 country level Juubi Bijuu Damas. Or Kaguya just opens a portal inside the barrier and floods it with lava.
Kaguya has the Chakra of every being on the planet. That's like saying Tifa could control the Thanos' energy.
This is getting absurd, and I think I know what mistake you're making.
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I think you're looking at the abilities of a character (i.e; Illusions, energy manipulation) and therefore concluding that these abilities have no limit and will work on beings who are far more powerful.
Let me illustrate.
Character X has the ability to manipulate other's actions by merging their souls into an opponent's body.
This is an incredibly HAX power.
The problem is that Ino has this power. If you don't take power-scaling into consideration, you could argue something absurd like Ino soloing Galactus, even though Galactus would break out of it in a nanosecond.
Another example; Character Y has the ability to rip out the soul of their opponent. Does this work on Kaguya? It depends on the power of Character Y. Pain isn't ripping out Kaguya's soul. Galactus would.
It's not good enough to just list abilities, if that were the case, I could argue than Chuunin exam characters would solo Kaguya (ZOMG Shikamaru catches Kaguya with shadow manipulation, Sasuke puts her under genjutsu, etc)
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Kaguya's power is far, far greater than anyong here. None of their abilities will even catch her.
@jrnic1: could have sworn flying helped team 7 in that volcano but ok... Her tp requires her opponents to have chakra right?
@thevivas: actually I was just making an argument about the teams power and other people have debated on this thread to....so yeah
Flying won't help if they are already submerged under a dimension of acid. Even if they can escape, Kaguya can merge with nature and catch them in waves on acid.
The claim that opponents require chakra for genjutsu to work is considered highly fallacious on this site. That's like arguing that reiatsu soul crush doesn't work outside of the Bleach verse, or that Goku can't create spirit-bombs in a setting outside DBZ, or that Hyuuga's pressure point attacks don't work on people outside of Naruto, or that Mana absorption only works on people who have Mana.
When debating across fictional verses, we equalise energy otherwise both opponents won't be able to use many of their abilities.
Still a spite. Still Kaguya.
When has She flat out done this?
Rukia could probably freeze it,
or Yoruichi and Kikyo could make barriers around them along with Tifa. If that's the case then
Tifa could just manipulate her chakra since you have to equalize energy.
Done what? Changed dimensions? lol.
If you mean Illusions, power-scaling wise she solos everyone by making them think they are rocks.
Please show me feats (or use power scaling) to show that Rukia can freeze an entire dimension. Plus, Kaguya completely merges with her dimensions, and she has better elemental control than anyone in the HST. She controls the frozen acid and uses it to attack Rukia.
Barriers get finger flicked. Juubi Obito (who is FAR weaker than Kaguya) ripped apart a barrier which tanked 4 country level Juubi Bijuu Damas. Or Kaguya just opens a portal inside the barrier and floods it with lava.
Kaguya has the Chakra of every being on the planet. That's like saying Tifa could control the Thanos' energy.
This is getting absurd, and I think I know what mistake you're making.
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I think you're looking at the abilities of a character (i.e; Illusions, energy manipulation) and therefore concluding that these abilities have no limit and will work on beings who are far more powerful.
Let me illustrate.
Character X has the ability to manipulate other's actions by merging their souls into an opponent's body.
This is an incredibly HAX power.
The problem is that Ino has this power. If you don't take power-scaling into consideration, you could argue something absurd like Ino soloing Galactus, even though Galactus would break out of it in a nanosecond.
Another example; Character Y has the ability to rip out the soul of their opponent. Does this work on Kaguya? It depends on the power of Character Y. Pain isn't ripping out Kaguya's soul. Galactus would.
It's not good enough to just list abilities, if that were the case, I could argue than Chuunin exam characters would solo Kaguya (ZOMG Shikamaru catches Kaguya with shadow manipulation, Sasuke puts her under genjutsu, etc)
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Kaguya's power is far, far greater than anyong here. None of their abilities will even catch her.
Yeah I mean when has she teleported anyone under acid? I'm saying Tifa has the ability to manipulate chi, but you said all energy is equalized. So wouldn't she just manipulate kaguya chakra.? Tifa is up there towards Kaguya in power or close... backed by the rest of the girls they could do a little something something .
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