Kaguya (naruto) vs Bambina (toriko)

@kingh: You're right he has light speed reactions: http://www.mangapanda.com/toriko/315/3

But in that very same chapter Bambina fails to kiss the kings to complete the dance. The dance is very, very, very important to bambina so to say bambina wasn't trying to give his all for the kiss yet dodges the mold spears is...what do you make of it?

Also when Kaguya TPed team 7 even naruto as a sensor and sasuke with his sharingan (sharingan's can predict movement) were tped before they even blinked and before they new it they were in another dimension.

This link covers sharingan predictive capabilities and genjtsu: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Sharingan

It has footnotes to the chapters this info is covered in so feel free to explore.

@heatforce: I applaud your defense of Kaguya, Bambina is still going to win but the Kaguya lowball is real if she had any battle experience she would have stomped Team 7 and won. She only lost due to lack of experience and that she has no real reason to fight in a world of basic normal humans until her sons were born.

@almighty:Sorry wanted to respond to you faster but I posted too many times lol. The expansive truth seeking ball destroys a planet/ diemsion and then recreates it so that is how she creates dimensions: http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Expansive_Truth-Seeking_Ball

Bambina stomps.

Thanks I personally beleive it can go either way. I even gave Kaguya a boost with giving her the bijuu chakra inside naruto. I understand the 8 kings will only get more and more powerful as each new one is introduced but usually for whatever reason people say kaguya would be in the lower hundreds. I beleive she could be on their level, even if she's just tied with heracles but I also think it could be either or with her and bambina.

@heatforce: I agree Bambina is faster and has better stats, though Kaguya can hurt him and she has great hax just does not use it to its better potential. Bambina wins because he has better and more battle experience Kaguya's lack of battle experience hurts her badly at least she isn't Gremmy who is a pants on head retard I facepalmed when he lost to Kenpachi.

@passingthrough545: Also the reason I gave kaguya the other half of kurama is because she originally all the chakra in her prime years.

@passingthrough545:You are right about Kaguya. I always said we lost s06p Madara, a powerful ninja for an uber-powerful princess lol.

Scan ? Because if my memory serves me correctly the said "moon" u are referring to from when Naruto and Sasuke sealed kaguya was barely even our moon's size i don't know where you are getting it was large enough to be planet earth that's not even logical how would they take a chunk out of the earth and form a landmass bigger than the very same earth they ripped a chunk out of to seal her ? && proof that the dimensions are planet sized ? Is obito's kamui dimension planet sized too ? Is he planetary ? Lmfaooo Not that it matters really because it's not like she or even obito for that matter attack people with them or warp the dimensions thet just warp matter into said dimensions or pull them in or fire attacks through said dimensions

Edit: just saw the wikia link you sent I recall that scene and that was exactly what I was referring to when I said by STATEMENTS she's planetary but by feats not even close

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@almighty: but bambina never destroyed a planet either so like with my question to flashback: how is bambina planetary when he hasn't destroyed a planet yet kaguya isn't planertary because she hasn't destroyed a planet? She did create those dimensions too which are planet size.

Bambina cracked a continent the same size of earth that counts & kaguya cannot create dimensions she warps things into other dimensions and there is nothing quantifiable about the size of those dimensions

Kaguya creates her own dimensions which are referred to as planets and If you want to get all technical then Bambina hasn't cracked the continent either.

There is absolutely no proof nor was it stated that she created said dimensions she has only shown the ability to transverse herself and other matter in between them & Bambina casually destroyed 100g mountain which in itself was a moon busting feat and is the founder of embu it is heavily implied that what that master monkey showcased in the destruction of area 8 could be replaced by any master of embu LET ALONE the founder of embu

@almighty said:

@mudamudamuda said:

@almighty said:

@heatforce said:

@almighty: but bambina never destroyed a planet either so like with my question to flashback: how is bambina planetary when he hasn't destroyed a planet yet kaguya isn't planertary because she hasn't destroyed a planet? She did create those dimensions too which are planet size.

Bambina cracked a continent the same size of earth that counts & kaguya cannot create dimensions she warps things into other dimensions and there is nothing quantifiable about the size of those dimensions

Kaguya creates her own dimensions which are referred to as planets and If you want to get all technical then Bambina hasn't cracked the continent either.

There is absolutely no proof nor was it stated that she created said dimensions she has only shown the ability to transverse herself and other matter in between them & Bambina casually destroyed 100g mountain which in itself was a moon busting feat and is the founder of embu it is heavily implied that what that master monkey showcased in the destruction of area 8 could be replaced by any master of embu LET ALONE the founder of embu

Yeah, right, no proof whatsoever that she creats her own dimensions lol

100 G mountain isn't a moon busting feat lol

The rest is irrelevant, I know what bambina can do and just like Kaguya has has never done it on panel (no one did actually) so I was playing your game by saying that he isn't a planet buster.

@mudamudamuda said:

@almighty said:

@mudamudamuda said:

@almighty said:

@heatforce said:

@almighty: but bambina never destroyed a planet either so like with my question to flashback: how is bambina planetary when he hasn't destroyed a planet yet kaguya isn't planertary because she hasn't destroyed a planet? She did create those dimensions too which are planet size.

Bambina cracked a continent the same size of earth that counts & kaguya cannot create dimensions she warps things into other dimensions and there is nothing quantifiable about the size of those dimensions

Kaguya creates her own dimensions which are referred to as planets and If you want to get all technical then Bambina hasn't cracked the continent either.

There is absolutely no proof nor was it stated that she created said dimensions she has only shown the ability to transverse herself and other matter in between them & Bambina casually destroyed 100g mountain which in itself was a moon busting feat and is the founder of embu it is heavily implied that what that master monkey showcased in the destruction of area 8 could be replaced by any master of embu LET ALONE the founder of embu

Yeah, right, no proof whatsoever that she creats her own dimensions lol

100 G mountain isn't a moon busting feat lol

The rest is irrelevant, I know what bambina can do and just like Kaguya has has never done it on panel (no one did actually) so I was playing your game by saying that he isn't a planet buster.

That's a character statement which is why in my very first post on this thread I stated that by statements shes planetary but by feats she Is not even close. &&& Area 8 is the size of Earth 100g mountain encompases more than half the continent and holds a good portion of its mass the moon is about the size of the United States which is exactly around the size of 100g mountain in regards to area 8 which is respectively the size of our earth keep in mind the toriko earth is the size of Saturn

"character statement" is probabaly the worst kind of argument people use here, it's like no one can even tell the differnce between informative sentences and hyperboles.

Area 8 is the size of Earth 100g mountain encompases more than half the continent and holds a good portion of its mass the moon is about the size of the United States which is exactly around the size of 100g mountain in regards to area 8 which is respectively the size of our earth keep in mind the toriko earth is the size of Saturn

Irrelevant, the 100G mountain was never stated to be moon sized you are only making assumptions based on what you want to believe show me Bmabina busting a planet.

Lol no he isn't, I've argued with him in nauto threads myself. you literally say this to everyone who disagrees with you. It's kinda becoming your signature comeback.

What does that have to do with anything I said, you claimed so6p are immune to chakra attacks using the gundodama Statement. Fact is they are viable to damage by any technique.

No it's not o.O I've debated against several people who I don't say that to. Just because I've said it to you, and several other users that I've recognized to be clearly biased against the series, doesn't mean it's my signature comeback. Again, I'm not going to argue with biased people. You are in that group so please don't tag me again. :)

@saint_of_origin: he clearly supported Naruto in most thread I've seen him on. And I myself have debated more than a page with him to the point he was fanboying . So no.

Also glad to on the list,then you are on the other side along with kribstomp XD

I call it a character statement because she's never showcased destruction on a planetary scale nobody in Naruto have even came close to said destruction and I said 100g mountain is the size of the moon not earth and it's based on the geography of the toriko world which is irrefutable since it was mapped out for us if u choose to believe he's not planet lvl that's fine I could careless really I have no dog in this fight never stated Bambina wins or loses however I just had to call out the planetary kaguya hype for exactly what it is HYPE not backed up by a feat in any 700+ chapters of Naruto or even movies for that matter

@flashback0180: Hardly. I know when Naruto characters lose. I just don't lowball their feats.

Being called a character statement is not an excuse to overlook a feat. It's sad to see how people these days refer to all forms of statement as "character statement" instead of what they are (informative, hyperboles, metaphors etc). BZ doesn't even have a reason to lie because he was talking to himself not anyone else.

Also, we have literally seen 5-6 of Kaguya's dimensions and she was in the process of creating a new one when she got sealed so how does it make for people to claim that Kaguya cannot create a dimension ? Even more when the last Databook confirms what she was doing.

As for Bambina, I know that he is capable of planet busting. What I'm doing is showing you the flawed reasoning you are using here because Bambina never busted the continent and the size of the mountain compare to the continent has never been mentioned anywhere. So I guess he can't bust a planet either since no one in Toriko ever did.

This is true only the truth-seeking balls can be destroyed by senjutsu so bambina's energy attack can still be a played assuming kaguya doesn't use a truth-seeking ball for defense. If she does then bambina's energy attack will be negated and if bambina touches it, that part of his body will be destroyed. Either way thanks for the correction. Also, that still doesn't take away from kaguya's two weapons to immobilize / BFR bambina: genjutsu or her amenominaka

not going to happen, bloodlusted bambina blitzes from the start

@isbobreallybob:genjutsu and instant BFR is what bambina will contend with. Genjutsu will activate upon eye contact and BFR occured so quickly even naruto as a sensor and Sasuke with the sharigan (sharingans predict movement near precog-level) didn't even blink and before they realized it they were falling into lava.

she has to think to BFR, bambina will blitz her before that happens

@isbobreallybob:Kaguya is BL too so in her mind BFR or genjutsu will be applied. Likewise Bambina will have to think as well to take action. I've argued the case for both - kaguya can use a few techniques instantly like BFR/ genjutsu and bambina can move instantly.

Okay? What are you going on about? I haven't seen a single argument fm you that prevents kaguya from being one shotted at the beginning of the fight.

-It is not in character for kaguya to start off with genjutsu

-She is not fast enough to BFR bambina before getting one shotted. Being able to do that to Naruto and sasuke is not saying much, seeing that they both gets stomped by bambina also.

Bambina thinks faster than Kaguya. It's like saying Kaguya can beat Flash as well because Flash also has to think before he takes action. The problem is reaction speed. Kaguya has horrible reaction speed and she got tagged and owned by supersonic Sakura, a block level fodder. A punch from Bambina would obliterate Kaguya's body. Juubi Jinchuuriki can't even tank a multi-mountain kick from Might Gai without being pulverize and go to the brink of death. Bambina cracks earth sized continents casually

@heatforce:

dodging and attacking are two different points and to equal them is doing wrong equalization. the former is near light speed and the latter is at least supersonic

Kaguya wrecks destroying and creating time spaces >>> Anything Bambina has done.

It was stated Hagoromo created the Bijuu but we never seen him do it. But we know he did. Same thing with Kaguya.

There are no concrete arguments against this ability since she has shown manipulation of space and changing dimensions of reality.

Bam kicks her head off

Why bump this?

@gear4god: Sivil Law likes Narutoverse a lot.

Kaguya wins this.

@chad_duby: bambina blitzs and one shots her. No one in the verse can take him on.

Bambina bodies her. Mismatch.

Bambina solos Naruto with ease.

Kaguya still wrecks...why bump this?

Bambina solo's the verse.

@sivil-law: Go ahead and give feats that show she can react to Bambina.

Bambina playing around like it did with the 4 Heavenly Kings would be lethal LOL

Bambina speed blitzed everyone from Naruto while just playing his games.

@socajunkie: Don't need to they are in the same speed tier. She wins regardless since he can't kill her. He doesn't have the destructive power.

Regardless of his speed he can't get away from ETSB.

@sivil-law:

‘Don't need to they are in the same speed tier.’

No they’re not, she doesn’t approach him in speed. He has casually dodged 6 light speed attacks at the same time and blitzed First Form Acacia, nobody in Naruto is anywhere near that fast.

‘She wins regardless since he can't kill her.’

Anything he does will one-shot her.

‘He doesn't have the destructive power.’

Go ahead and show Kaguya tanking or recovering from attacks on Bambina’s level.

@sivil-law: Love to see what makes Kaguya at least several times faster than light. Also, she’s not coming back from being reduced to a bloody smear. Both Toneri and Momoshiki have proven its entirely possible to kill them

Kaguya is too much for Bambina, he gets TP'd.

@death2heretics: She get speed blitzed into paste before that

@dechefman98: No she doesn't, Naruto has dodged a LS attack and he'sway weaker than Kaguya. Bambina can't kill her and and he doesn't have any TP resistance.

Bambina solos the verse. A single strike from him reduces Kaguya to a smear on the ground.