Juggernaut vs Superman

"Juggernaut would defeat Superman,because only telepaths can harm Juggernaut. Is Superman a telepath? No,so he loses.Even if Thor and Gladiator managed to hit him that doesn't mean they won.Telepaths are the only people who could defeat JuggernautEx. Professer Xavior, Emma Frost, Jean Grey,and Martain Manhunter. "

It's not like he runs at super human speeds anyway...I think it would be fairly easy for superman to just step to the Left or the Right and then punch the hell out of him...or just punch the ground as he's running lol that would slow his ass down.

" @Apparition said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" someone may need to take another look at those rules. think about it. it may not be mainstream but neither is a battle thread involving characters from two universes.if marvel and DC sanctioned a crossover, what could be more relevant than what happened in that crossover.from what I see in crossovers, most things stay constant.Every time Superman has faced the Hulk, the Hulk has lost. "

you said if it was sanctioned by marvel and dc, and that's it right there.  its not sanctioned by either of them to the point to be considered as canon, so its like an elseworlds or a what if.  what if in a battle someone put up thor vs. punisher?  in one comic punisher killed all of the marvel heroes so someone could try and use that comic to say punisher would win.  but it was a whatif comic.  it isnt canon. "

but why not cannon for crossovers?of course it wouldn't for mainstream cause the fight didnt take place there. "

"@StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @Apparition said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" someone may need to take another look at those rules. think about it. it may not be mainstream but neither is a battle thread involving characters from two universes.if marvel and DC sanctioned a crossover, what could be more relevant than what happened in that crossover.from what I see in crossovers, most things stay constant.Every time Superman has faced the Hulk, the Hulk has lost. "

you said if it was sanctioned by marvel and dc, and that's it right there.  its not sanctioned by either of them to the point to be considered as canon, so its like an elseworlds or a what if.  what if in a battle someone put up thor vs. punisher?  in one comic punisher killed all of the marvel heroes so someone could try and use that comic to say punisher would win.  but it was a whatif comic.  it isnt canon. "

but why not cannon for crossovers?of course it wouldn't for mainstream cause the fight didnt take place there. "

a special crossover canon?  that's a thought... but it wouldnt work cause then you could only look at crossover feats and not regular comic feats.  if superman shows near light speed reactions in his comic, but in the crossover cant move fast enough to speed blitz thor then should we say that superman cant use superspeed whenever he fights thor?  if in the crossover he isnt stronger than thor but in his comics we've seen him do things thor's never been shown to do, is superman weaker whenever he fights thor?  naw we cant have a crossover canon.  nice thought though :)"

" @Apparition said:

"@StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @Apparition said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" someone may need to take another look at those rules. think about it. it may not be mainstream but neither is a battle thread involving characters from two universes.if marvel and DC sanctioned a crossover, what could be more relevant than what happened in that crossover.from what I see in crossovers, most things stay constant.Every time Superman has faced the Hulk, the Hulk has lost. "

you said if it was sanctioned by marvel and dc, and that's it right there.  its not sanctioned by either of them to the point to be considered as canon, so its like an elseworlds or a what if.  what if in a battle someone put up thor vs. punisher?  in one comic punisher killed all of the marvel heroes so someone could try and use that comic to say punisher would win.  but it was a whatif comic.  it isnt canon. "

but why not cannon for crossovers?of course it wouldn't for mainstream cause the fight didnt take place there. "

a special crossover canon?  that's a thought... but it wouldnt work cause then you could only look at crossover feats and not regular comic feats.  if superman shows near light speed reactions in his comic, but in the crossover cant move fast enough to speed blitz thor then should we say that superman cant use superspeed whenever he fights thor?  if in the crossover he isnt stronger than thor but in his comics we've seen him do things thor's never been shown to do, is superman weaker whenever he fights thor?  naw we cant have a crossover canon.  nice thought though :)"

Uh huh whatever you say.....NOT!Anyways im abouts to go see dat Transformers Revenge of the Fallen.... i'll see yall kids later! Im out! "

"@Lantern Prime said:

" @Apparition said:

"@StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @Apparition said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" someone may need to take another look at those rules. think about it. it may not be mainstream but neither is a battle thread involving characters from two universes.if marvel and DC sanctioned a crossover, what could be more relevant than what happened in that crossover.from what I see in crossovers, most things stay constant.Every time Superman has faced the Hulk, the Hulk has lost. "

you said if it was sanctioned by marvel and dc, and that's it right there.  its not sanctioned by either of them to the point to be considered as canon, so its like an elseworlds or a what if.  what if in a battle someone put up thor vs. punisher?  in one comic punisher killed all of the marvel heroes so someone could try and use that comic to say punisher would win.  but it was a whatif comic.  it isnt canon. "

but why not cannon for crossovers?of course it wouldn't for mainstream cause the fight didnt take place there. "

a special crossover canon?  that's a thought... but it wouldnt work cause then you could only look at crossover feats and not regular comic feats.  if superman shows near light speed reactions in his comic, but in the crossover cant move fast enough to speed blitz thor then should we say that superman cant use superspeed whenever he fights thor?  if in the crossover he isnt stronger than thor but in his comics we've seen him do things thor's never been shown to do, is superman weaker whenever he fights thor?  naw we cant have a crossover canon.  nice thought though :)"

Uh huh whatever you say.....NOT!Anyways im abouts to go see dat Transformers Revenge of the Fallen.... i'll see yall kids later! Im out! "

always the idiot i see..."

let me know what you think.  i didnt think it was as good as the first one but youre the tf fan

The few times I've seen the crossovers with Superman it's been spot on; He probably could knock down Juggs in one punch, He probably could knock Thor out the only reason those are not usable in the battle grounds is because it ends the discussion..Crossovers do not change there character it's just what the writer thinks would happen if the two were to ever bump heads......and lets face facts superman never acts even near the way we portray him in the battles SPEED BLITZ AND SUPER PUNCH!  He never fights that way he always stands toe to toe with his opponet guaging there strength so he doesn't by accident kill them...I mean really just think about the amount of control that man has to have he can Push a Planet but can also hug his wife without hurting her....It's pretty amazing really.     

What Can You Use?

Like most things in the fight, the following may vary depending on what the thread creator chooses to allow. Despite, or maybe because of, how much debate there’s been on this area (check old threads in the Battle Forum) this section is rather small. What I have here is what I think most people agree on.

Things that aren’t canon are not used in battles unless otherwise stated by the creator of the thread. For things that are canon, an understanding of the character as a whole helps determine what they can do in fights. , For example, one time featscrossover feats, powers/abilities that haven’t been used in a long time (but haven’t been specifically removed) are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities. Don’t just use a character’s best showings to determine what they can do, and don’t just use their worst showings to limit them.

So this is from the battle forum rules I would like to highlight a few lines of the text.... (For example, one time featscrossover feats, powers/abilities that haven’t been used in a long time (but haven’t been specifically removed) are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities.) By my reading crossover feats is even used as an example of what is allowed

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What Can You Use?

Like most things in the fight, the following may vary depending on what the thread creator chooses to allow. Despite, or maybe because of, how much debate there’s been on this area (check old threads in the Battle Forum) this section is rather small. What I have here is what I think most people agree on.

Things that aren’t canon are not used in battles unless otherwise stated by the creator of the thread. For things that are canon, an understanding of the character as a whole helps determine what they can do in fights. , For example, one time feats, crossover feats, powers/abilities that haven’t been used in a long time (but haven’t been specifically removed) are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities. Don’t just use a character’s best showings to determine what they can do, and don’t just use their worst showings to limit them.

So this is from the battle forum rules I would like to highlight a few lines of the text.... (For example, one time feats, crossover feats, powers/abilities that haven’t been used in a long time (but haven’t been specifically removed) are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities.) By my reading crossover feats is even used as an example of what is allowed

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superman wins....bfr

" @Scarecrow4 said:

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What Can You Use?

Like most things in the fight, the following may vary depending on what the thread creator chooses to allow. Despite, or maybe because of, how much debate there’s been on this area (check old threads in the Battle Forum) this section is rather small. What I have here is what I think most people agree on.

Things that aren’t canon are not used in battles unless otherwise stated by the creator of the thread. For things that are canon, an understanding of the character as a whole helps determine what they can do in fights. , For example, one time feats, crossover feats, powers/abilities that haven’t been used in a long time (but haven’t been specifically removed) are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities. Don’t just use a character’s best showings to determine what they can do, and don’t just use their worst showings to limit them.

So this is from the battle forum rules I would like to highlight a few lines of the text.... (For example, one time feats, crossover feats, powers/abilities that haven’t been used in a long time (but haven’t been specifically removed) are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities.) By my reading crossover feats is even used as an example of what is allowed

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Read what you just posted. Crossovers aren't canon, and since there was no specification in this thread on crossovers, you can't use it here. Crossover feats are used as an example of what's allowed only if specified. If you read the third paragraph closely, it does say that they shouldn't be dismissed out of hand, but if you weigh a crossover feat over what's normally shown in mainstream comics, then it holds no water. That's what that means. "

It's kind of silly to say crossovers aren't cannon because superman can't do what he does in crossovers when in fact he can and weighing it against his other feats and ability's they hold true and correct.  So someone saying they crossover feats are not cannon is more them stating there opinion or trying to defer evidence that clearly points to a fact.

" No the first sentence makes a statement (Things that aren't canon are not used in battles unless otherwise stated by the creator of the thread.) Then the following expresses (For things that are canon, an understanding of the character as a whole helps determine what they can do in fights.)  Then it goes to give an example of the rules for things that are allowed and considered canon (For example, one time feats, crossover feats, power/abilities that haven't been used in a long time are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities.)  So that's the battle forum rules the word canon in the first sentence is explained by the later sentences it's just basic paragraph structure.  "

" It's kind of silly to say crossovers aren't cannon because superman can't do what he does in crossovers when in fact he can and weighing it against his other feats and ability's they hold true and correct. 

"So someone saying they crossover feats are not cannon is more them stating there opinion or trying to defer evidence that clearly points to a fact. "

" @Scarecrow4 said:

" No the first sentence makes a statement (Things that aren't canon are not used in battles unless otherwise stated by the creator of the thread.) Then the following expresses (For things that are canon, an understanding of the character as a whole helps determine what they can do in fights.)  Then it goes to give an example of the rules for things that are allowed and considered canon (For example, one time feats, crossover feats, power/abilities that haven't been used in a long time are not to be dismissed out of hand, but they should be weighed against regular appearances and displays of abilities.)  So that's the battle forum rules the word canon in the first sentence is explained by the later sentences it's just basic paragraph structure.  "

Crossovers are never considered canon, though. Marvel vs DC is a perfect example of one that isn't canon. The 'for example' part is given to list examples of things that are deemed inconsistent (included crossovers) in contrast to what is consistent.

That's not the way I read the paragraph, what i read is that they specifically should not be ruled out unless otherwise listed in the beginning of the fight.  So I'm going to agree to disagree with you on that and leave it alone.

@Scarecrow4 said:

" It's kind of silly to say crossovers aren't cannon because superman can't do what he does in crossovers when in fact he can and weighing it against his other feats and ability's they hold true and correct. 

With that being said, what's the point of using crossovers, when you can use the same feats from mainstream titles that are in continuity? With one being in continuity and the other that's not, the one that is will count.

For example, the current Superman cannot move planets on his own, and requires help to do so. This is something that is consistent in terms of his power/abilities. So, if you try to use a feat of him moving a planet on his own without help in a crossover that's out of continuity from DC's mainstream universe (like most of them are), it holds no water and thus, it's an invalid showing.

Not really, the point of using a crossover in a debate is to end an argument why show what a+b+c+d+e=z  to just be argued with when you can just post the solution to Z....I understand what your saying about continuity from the mainstream universe but all of the crossovers I've read don't take the characters and change them or give them new abilities so it seems like In my opinion those item would be considered canon.... On a side note though people were helping the current superman move earth.  However, He has also moved planets on his own before (war world) but that's a different debate. 

@Scarecrow4 said:

"So someone saying they crossover feats are not cannon is more them stating there opinion or trying to defer evidence that clearly points to a fact. "

Or, better yet, they understand what the rules of the Battle Forums are.

No they are still just stating there opinion and that's fine everyone is entitled to there own, but there really is no way to prove crossovers aren't canon superman's feats that have been shown in the crossovers are consistent with his mainstream universe showings and thus should not be ruled out....

" That's not the way I read the paragraph, what i read is that they specifically should not be ruled out unless otherwise listed in the beginning of the fight.  So I'm going to agree to disagree with you on that and leave it alone. 

" Not really, the point of using a crossover in a debate is to end an argument why show what a+b+c+d+e=z  to just be argued with when you can just post the solution to Z....I understand what your saying about continuity from the mainstream universe but all of the crossovers I've read don't take the characters and change them or give them new abilities so it seems like In my opinion those item would be considered canon.... On a side note though people were helping the current superman move earth.  However, He has also moved planets on his own before (war world) but that's a different debate.  

"No they are still just stating there opinion and that's fine everyone is entitled to there own, but there really is no way to prove crossovers aren't canon superman's feats that have been shown in the crossovers are consistent with his mainstream universe showings and thus should not be ruled out...."

" @Scarecrow4 said:

" That's not the way I read the paragraph, what i read is that they specifically should not be ruled out unless otherwise listed in the beginning of the fight.  So I'm going to agree to disagree with you on that and leave it alone. 

You read it wrong, but whatever. LOL.

@Scarecrow4 said:

" Not really, the point of using a crossover in a debate is to end an argument why show what a+b+c+d+e=z  to just be argued with when you can just post the solution to Z....I understand what your saying about continuity from the mainstream universe but all of the crossovers I've read don't take the characters and change them or give them new abilities so it seems like In my opinion those item would be considered canon.... On a side note though people were helping the current superman move earth.  However, He has also moved planets on his own before (war world) but that's a different debate.  

He moved a planet in War World because he was sun-dipped, and was under influence of magic also. So, without an upgrade, he wouldn't have been able to pull it off. To end an argument with a crossover doesn't really make sense. One, because it's out of continuity. Two, because there can be many possible outcomes to a fight, depending on who's in the fight in question and how the argument is conducted. Posting a fight from a comic, in general, doesn't really end a discussion. That's like posting Wolverine and Lobo's fight from Marvel vs. DC in a Wolverine vs. Lobo thread, when everyone knows that fight didn't really make sense and Wolverine doesn't have the means to contend with or kill someone who regularly fights Superman on even terms. In an argument like that, the thread itself would just be a spite/curbstomp thread. Or, it's like posting Symbiote Spidey vs. Firelord's fight in a Spidey vs Firelord thread, when everyone knows that the fight was inconsistent for the simple fact that Spidey, even with the Symbiote, can't contend with a Herald of Galactus who has regularly fought threats of a higher tier than Spidey (Thor is a perfect example). Based on capabilities, Firelord could have easily ended the fight during Secret Wars, but lost due to idiotic writing.

Posting a fight from a crossover doesn't really prove anything, or end an argument, in general. Try making a thread of Venom vs. Spidey and Superman, and then post scans of Superman and Spidey being handled by Venom at the same time to make a case. Everyone would laugh at you. Try a Spider-Man vs. Superboy using the same tactic. You'd get the same outcome.

I agree that the Title fights in the DC vs. Marvel universe were voted on crap and can not be considered valid by any far reach of the mind.....There is no way Wolvie can beat Lobo...Nor is there a way Superboy can loose to Spiderman.....I agree with you completely on that...What I'm talking about is not things that were just voted on garbage....JLA vs. Avengers is a great example of a crossover I would consider canon...

He was sun-dipped but that's it no magic was used...

On a side note how do you even define continuity...I think it's damn near impossible not even DC can keep it strait..Great example in Superman Batman they got rid of all the Krytonite on the planet a few issues later in action comics whoops there's Kryptonite.  I don't really think there's any continuity in any of DC's story telling (I can't speak for Marvel they seem to be getting way better at this.) it's just a bunch of separate stories all with different ideas about what the characters shoud be like....This discussion is kind of crazy because lets face it not even the comic companies can keep there crap strait....It really is just a matter of opnion because even the sorce material of the comics we use could be construed as not canon.  That's what i think anyway so my solution is to just take it all at face value if it's in Ink it counts.  I think we're getting at the same thing here we're just thinking about it in slightly different ways maybe it's because i'm a DC guy and have had to ignore continuity for so long just to read there issues and not get pissed...lol ...

On a side note I just watched the Richard Donner Superman and normal Superman Two back to back right now while doing HW and talk about continuity lol DC can't even keep it strait in a movie  

To define continuity, simply take everything which happened in canon comics.

Oh, and they never said they got rid of all he kryptonite, just most of it. There are still tons of kryptonite in the batcave, and probably in many other government and Lexcorps vault throughout the world.

" To define continuity, simply take everything which happened in canon comics.Oh, and they never said they got rid of all he kryptonite, just most of it. There are still tons of kryptonite in the batcave, and probably in many other government and Lexcorps vault throughout the world. "

" @AtPhantom said:

" To define continuity, simply take everything which happened in canon comics.Oh, and they never said they got rid of all he kryptonite, just most of it. There are still tons of kryptonite in the batcave, and probably in many other government and Lexcorps vault throughout the world. "

No I think in that Issue batman used a sat device to get every last bit of K he's the only one who has any left.  They even found what Lex corp was hiding of course they blew it up in the atmosphere and then toy man had to come save the day with his nano bots.  The only person in the DC universe that should have Kryptonite is Batman and thats that..  "

OK boss I sat down and read the whole run again...It's all gone the sat device saw through lead.  Lexcorp made a special shield to stop his sensors this image right here is superman giving batman what he thinks is the last piece on the earth....of course batman has a crap load more...but he's the only one..so Kryptonite should be completely gone from the DC universe.  Anything that they missed the nano bots took care of it.  

Again, all the kryptonite that they know of is gone. There may be bucketloads of it that they don't know about. Nowhere does it say anything about the satellite seeing through lead.  It didn't give them the location of Amanda Waller's facility did it? No, they got to that by chance. Kryptonite is not by a long shot gone from DCU.

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @Apparition said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" someone may need to take another look at those rules. think about it. it may not be mainstream but neither is a battle thread involving characters from two universes.if marvel and DC sanctioned a crossover, what could be more relevant than what happened in that crossover.from what I see in crossovers, most things stay constant.Every time Superman has faced the Hulk, the Hulk has lost. "

you said if it was sanctioned by marvel and dc, and that's it right there.  its not sanctioned by either of them to the point to be considered as canon, so its like an elseworlds or a what if.  what if in a battle someone put up thor vs. punisher?  in one comic punisher killed all of the marvel heroes so someone could try and use that comic to say punisher would win.  but it was a whatif comic.  it isnt canon. "

but why not cannon for crossovers?of course it wouldn't for mainstream cause the fight didnt take place there. "

a special crossover canon?  that's a thought... but it wouldnt work cause then you could only look at crossover feats and not regular comic feats.  if superman shows near light speed reactions in his comic, but in the crossover cant move fast enough to speed blitz thor then should we say that superman cant use superspeed whenever he fights thor?  if in the crossover he isnt stronger than thor but in his comics we've seen him do things thor's never been shown to do, is superman weaker whenever he fights thor?  naw we cant have a crossover canon.  nice thought though :) "

" Again, all the kryptonite that they know of is gone. There may be bucketloads of it that they don't know about. Nowhere does it say anything about the satellite seeing through lead.  It didn't give them the location of Amanda Waller's facility did it? No, they got to that by chance. Kryptonite is not by a long shot gone from DCU. "

" @Apparition said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" @Apparition said:

" @StrongestOneThereIs said:

" someone may need to take another look at those rules. think about it. it may not be mainstream but neither is a battle thread involving characters from two universes.if marvel and DC sanctioned a crossover, what could be more relevant than what happened in that crossover.from what I see in crossovers, most things stay constant.Every time Superman has faced the Hulk, the Hulk has lost. "

you said if it was sanctioned by marvel and dc, and that's it right there.  its not sanctioned by either of them to the point to be considered as canon, so its like an elseworlds or a what if.  what if in a battle someone put up thor vs. punisher?  in one comic punisher killed all of the marvel heroes so someone could try and use that comic to say punisher would win.  but it was a whatif comic.  it isnt canon. "

but why not cannon for crossovers?of course it wouldn't for mainstream cause the fight didnt take place there. "

a special crossover canon?  that's a thought... but it wouldnt work cause then you could only look at crossover feats and not regular comic feats.  if superman shows near light speed reactions in his comic, but in the crossover cant move fast enough to speed blitz thor then should we say that superman cant use superspeed whenever he fights thor?  if in the crossover he isnt stronger than thor but in his comics we've seen him do things thor's never been shown to do, is superman weaker whenever he fights thor?  naw we cant have a crossover canon.  nice thought though :) "

i kinda see your point "

" Again, all the kryptonite that they know of is gone. There may be bucketloads of it that they don't know about. Nowhere does it say anything about the satellite seeing through lead.  It didn't give them the location of Amanda Waller's facility did it? No, they got to that by chance. Kryptonite is not by a long shot gone from DCU. "

And i still personally believe that Juggernaut would take out Superman. Superman has fought to standstills before. his fight with doomsday proves he can be beat to (near)death. Superman will run out of gas at some point. Juggs is the energizer bunny..he'll just keep goin and goin lol.

Juggs probably

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i say superman, jugg's has been stop by the x-men. then again, if juggernaut were to get his hands on some kryptonite. then maybe he would stand a chance.

Superman,  Via Sneezing    : )

Juggernaut due to the magical nature, but then again, superman has fought being like Captain marvel and BA without being KOed at the single punch (if it affects him like a normal human one punch would send him to the moon in a goo of tissue) so it means that it (like red sun radiation) doesn't affect him as bad due to his willpower or something. i say supes.

"Juggernaut shits all over superman   and everyone that said War hulk's streangth was nothing compared to superman is mentaly retarded LOL. "

Bump, lets keep the debate going.

Well I think a good point is that Superman isn't always the brightest lightbulb and actually might try to slug with Juggernaut until he's exhausted.

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Bump, lets keep the debate going.

 

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Let's not.

@TruePwnge: If Juggernaut has the full power of the Elder God Cyttorak, then Supes cannot beat him. If it's Trion Juggernaut, Supes cannot beat him. Regular Juggernaut, if he uses his speed, he can.

@StrongestOneThereIs: Juggernaut is only as powerful as Cyttorak makes him. If Cyttorak gets disappointed at him, he takes away half of his power. But with the full power of Cyttorak, Juggs has virtually UNLIMITED power. Not to mention Trion Juggernaut and how powerful he was. Cyttorak is an Elder God and with his full power, Supes can't beat Juggernaut. It would take someone with vast fighting skills along with power to beat him.

 It would take someone with vast fighting skills along with power to beat him.

 Supes can't beat Juggernaut. 

I don't recall hulk stopping juggs but instead re-routing him (moving). I think juggernaut would be able to move superman (don't think we were talking about fighting were we?

If it's a fight I think juggs could hold his own, he did get whooped by Hyperion (before shinanigans was called in thunderbolts) and King Hyperion is basically superman (without morals I add).

@Vance Astro: I am talking about Juggernaut with the Full-Power of Cyttorak, Trion Juggernaut. This form of Juggernaut has Unlimited Power. This is beyond Superman's ability. It would take someone like Rune King Thor to beat him.

Juggernaut. His power derives from magic by a celestial demon known as cyttorak and as he physically can't be stopped in fear itself xmen they tried stopping him from reaching san diago they took the very ground he walked away from him and he just walked on the air over the gap and considering magic is a weakness of supermans I can't see superman winning. The only reason world war hulk actually stopped juggs is because he was so angry I mean people keep going on about superman moving planets but hulk can't fly if he was given the chance to to be able to move a planet I think he would. And let's face it what is heat vision speed blitz ice breath or super mind control going to do against someone who is invulnerable and power is derived from a magic demon god entity superman is as strong as hell yes but he can be moved and stopped and KILLED (Doomsday). Juggs wins this in my opinion.

Got to say Juggs.

Superman has the power, speed, durability and brains to f*ck Juggernaut's day up.

Hail to the king, baby.

juggy all the time what ever Sups fanboyz may say

@TheGoldenEmperor said:

Superman has the power, speed, durability and brains to f*ck Juggernaut's day up.

Hail to the king, baby.

ima say this in simple words. superman loses without bfr.superman cant hurt him

@TheGoldenEmperor said:

Superman has the power, speed, durability and brains to f*ck Juggernaut's day up.

Hail to the king, baby.

This, minus sounding like a superman fanboy