" While classic Juggernauts force-field is ON, Apocalypse will not take off his helmet. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
He doesn't have to take Juggernaut's helmet on to win. Apocalypse stomps. "
Oh realy??? I can see trolling in your posts. The only problem for Juggs is Apocalypses telepathy but Apocalypse will not be able to take off Juggs helmet if Juggs force-field is on.
" While classic Juggernauts force-field is ON, Apocalypse will not take off his helmet. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
He doesn't have to take Juggernaut's helmet on to win. Apocalypse stomps. "
Oh realy??? I can see trolling in your posts. The only problem for Juggs is Apocalypses telepathy but Apocalypse will not be able to take off Juggs helmet if Juggs force-field is on. "
Yeah, really. Apocalypse can BFR Juggernaut, too. Only if Juggernaut's forcefield is on, but he is not fast enough to turn it on before his helmet gets taken away.
" While classic Juggernauts force-field is ON, Apocalypse will not take off his helmet. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
He doesn't have to take Juggernaut's helmet on to win. Apocalypse stomps. "
Oh realy??? I can see trolling in your posts. The only problem for Juggs is Apocalypses telepathy but Apocalypse will not be able to take off Juggs helmet if Juggs force-field is on. "
Yeah, really. Apocalypse can BFR Juggernaut, too. Only if Juggernaut's forcefield is on, but he is not fast enough to turn it on before his helmet gets taken away. "
Well, Juggs IS fast enough to turn his force-field on. Or he just can turn on his force-field before Apocalypse notice him.
" While classic Juggernauts force-field is ON, Apocalypse will not take off his helmet. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
He doesn't have to take Juggernaut's helmet on to win. Apocalypse stomps. "
Oh realy??? I can see trolling in your posts. The only problem for Juggs is Apocalypses telepathy but Apocalypse will not be able to take off Juggs helmet if Juggs force-field is on. "
Yeah, really. Apocalypse can BFR Juggernaut, too. Only if Juggernaut's forcefield is on, but he is not fast enough to turn it on before his helmet gets taken away. "
Well, Juggs IS fast enough to turn his force-field on. Or he just can turn on his force-field before Apocalypse notice him.
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No, he doesn't have a reaction time to do it before Apocalypse takes it off. Apocalypse will see Juggernaut before that as well.
" While classic Juggernauts force-field is ON, Apocalypse will not take off his helmet. Classic Juggernaut stomps. "
He doesn't have to take Juggernaut's helmet on to win. Apocalypse stomps. "
Oh realy??? I can see trolling in your posts. The only problem for Juggs is Apocalypses telepathy but Apocalypse will not be able to take off Juggs helmet if Juggs force-field is on. "
Yeah, really. Apocalypse can BFR Juggernaut, too. Only if Juggernaut's forcefield is on, but he is not fast enough to turn it on before his helmet gets taken away. "
Well, Juggs IS fast enough to turn his force-field on. Or he just can turn on his force-field before Apocalypse notice him.
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No, he doesn't have a reaction time to do it before Apocalypse takes it off. Apocalypse will see Juggernaut before that as well.
He actuely have. He can be under force-field before a confrontation with Apocalypse.
Apoc isn't stronger or tougher, but he is telepathic, except when he's not.
That should allow him to beat Cain...when he's telepathic...which is only sometimes.
HAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAHAHA FRIGGING HILARIOUS! Im an Pocy fan too and this had me seriously laughing pretty dang hard. There's some arguments to be had here about what constitutes toughness but other than that HILARIOUS
N BTW all the juggs fans (including me, bigger Pocs fan but still like Juggs) Classic pocs does have some impressive telepathy and Tk feats not withstanding restraining the hulk while chattin it up, stalemating the HE etc., to be honest although he is THEE ULTIMATE JOBBER (considering his ultimate version is pretty much 80s Pocs) if this is 80s Pocs or ultimate pocs he's got this. If not Juggs wins. If were just going best classic high end feats then ya he's still got this. And if this were a jobbing contest... hmm i think he still may have that one too ha ha.
Maybe Apocalypse can become invincible and go through Juggernauts force-field?
No.
I heared Vision did it in the past. But i highly doubt about that.
Vision did do it in the past, but that was against a depowered Juggernaut. He phased his hand right through the helmet (the one Cassidy made for him made out of Adamantium) and Cain started flipping out and got paralyzed.
Indicator of depowerment: He did not have a forcefield.
You don't think Pocs could BFR him? I didn't mean Pocs would beat him down or like blast him away. But he could rush him (he's infinitely quicker than Clasic Juggs) n get his helmet and TP his victory, or BFR him due to his TK. If he has it this time haha like Zoom mentioned
You don't think Pocs could BFR him? I didn't mean Pocs would beat him down or like blast him away. But he could rush him (he's infinitely quicker than Clasic Juggs) n get his helmet and TP his victory, or BFR him due to his TK. If he has it this time haha like Zoom mentioned
@Jedisupermaster: I will have to find the issue number for you and i'm sincerely sorry i don't have it this minute but there is an issue when his character WAS badazz that he HANDLED the ENTIRE X-men (excluding Prof X) in a few panels. He has handled X-Factor before too pretty friggin quick. When he restrained the Hulk, he restrained a being who has shown far more speed than old-school Classic Juggs ever did too. But ya i WILL get back to you on the issue number, again sorry about that.
But ya @Jedisupermaster just think of it this way until i get that issue # for you.
Speedwise- Savage Hulk > Classic Juggs (by a decent margin IMO) and Apocs was quick enough to restrain him. Hence his reaction time having to be = to or greater than the Savage Hulks. There may be a hole in my reasoning right now its about 6 AM where I'm at and I've been up all night so if that doesn't stand up i WILL like i said get you that issue number. This is not accounting for his force-field though. But i gotta find the scan of him tk'ing someone too, pretty powerfully as well. When i find these which will have to be in the future... way to tired right now to go to all that work... i think you can see why a tk BFR may be an option or a speed feat. But in all honesty these feats are about as consistent as Juggs force-fields so IDK if either his shields as a feat OR Apocs speed feats can truely be considered. O well : )
But ya @Jedisupermaster just think of it this way until i get that issue # for you.
Speedwise- Savage Hulk > Classic Juggs (by a decent margin IMO) and Apocs was quick enough to restrain him. Hence his reaction time having to be = to or greater than the Savage Hulks. There may be a hole in my reasoning right now its about 6 AM where I'm at and I've been up all night so if that doesn't stand up i WILL like i said get you that issue number. This is not accounting for his force-field though. But i gotta find the scan of him tk'ing someone too, pretty powerfully as well. When i find these which will have to be in the future... way to tired right now to go to all that work... i think you can see why a tk BFR may be an option or a speed feat. But in all honesty these feats are about as consistent as Juggs force-fields so IDK if either his shields as a feat OR Apocs speed feats can truely be considered. O well : )
But ya @Jedisupermaster just think of it this way until i get that issue # for you.
Speedwise- Savage Hulk > Classic Juggs (by a decent margin IMO) and Apocs was quick enough to restrain him. Hence his reaction time having to be = to or greater than the Savage Hulks. There may be a hole in my reasoning right now its about 6 AM where I'm at and I've been up all night so if that doesn't stand up i WILL like i said get you that issue number. This is not accounting for his force-field though. But i gotta find the scan of him tk'ing someone too, pretty powerfully as well. When i find these which will have to be in the future... way to tired right now to go to all that work... i think you can see why a tk BFR may be an option or a speed feat. But in all honesty these feats are about as consistent as Juggs force-fields so IDK if either his shields as a feat OR Apocs speed feats can truely be considered. O well : )
Classic Juggernaut >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Savage Hulk.
I didn't say he didn't...? ha ha... WOW.All i mentioned was simply speed wise that was it. And if u can mention any accounts of him being substantially faster than the Savage Hulk then i will totally relent and let you claim win.
incredible hulk 457, celestial tech overpowers juggernauts "unstoppable" spell AND Apoc can take the hulk. Soo... idk w/e but i think thats another point haha
incredible hulk 457, celestial tech overpowers juggernauts "unstoppable" spell AND Apoc can take the hulk. Soo... idk w/e but i think thats another point haha
Hmm.. I'm pretty sure that what Celestial Hulk did was lift Juggernaut's feet off the ground with that Celestial Whip which caught Juggernaut off balance. Afterall... Juggernaut only weighs 900 pounds. 0_o;
incredible hulk 457, celestial tech overpowers juggernauts "unstoppable" spell AND Apoc can take the hulk. Soo... idk w/e but i think thats another point haha
Hmm.. I'm pretty sure that what Celestial Hulk did was lift Juggernaut's feet off the ground with that Celestial Whip which caught Juggernaut off balance. Afterall... Juggernaut only weighs 900 pounds. 0_o;
I'm pretty sure i don't have to remind you that juggernaut defies the laws of physics... So what if he is 900 Pounds "He's is not a mutant tin head His powers are magical" XD I say apocalypse wins though He is a telepath that gives him a huge advantage once he gets the helmet off he wins
incredible hulk 457, celestial tech overpowers juggernauts "unstoppable" spell AND Apoc can take the hulk. Soo... idk w/e but i think thats another point haha
Hmm.. I'm pretty sure that what Celestial Hulk did was lift Juggernaut's feet off the ground with that Celestial Whip which caught Juggernaut off balance. Afterall... Juggernaut only weighs 900 pounds. 0_o;
it was a valid point considering that BFR is an option. Apocs>War Hulk>Classic Juggs
@tron_bonne: No, Juggernaut was running forward straight into Hulk and was pushing him back for a while, but Hulk eventually managed to put up enough resistance to stop Juggernaut in his tracks. The look on Juggy's face was priceless.
I honestly don't take this as an indication that Apocalypse could do the same though. Apocalypse's best strategy here is dodging (which should be trivially easy for him if he fights like he did in his early X-Factor appearances) and removing the helmet to make his mind vulnerable. If he has an opportunity to get to his tech he might be able to cobble together some kind of hyper-sonic device like what Nimrod used as well.
Cain has the problem of being a relatively slow, stupid, short-ranged brick trying to hit a vastly faster, smarter, more agile opponent who can also fly and teleport.
incredible hulk 457, celestial tech overpowers juggernauts "unstoppable" spell AND Apoc can take the hulk. Soo... idk w/e but i think thats another point haha
Hmm.. I'm pretty sure that what Celestial Hulk did was lift Juggernaut's feet off the ground with that Celestial Whip which caught Juggernaut off balance. Afterall... Juggernaut only weighs 900 pounds. 0_o;
I think he did something to connection between Cain and Cyttorak using celestial tech, since its impossible to stop him due to his limitless kinetic energy.
Juggernaut. His bioelectric forcefield around his body prevents him from being harmed by any purely physical force to matter its magnitude or intensity.
And if Juggs gains momentum...Well, there's a reason Juggernaut's momentum is called unstoppable.
incredible hulk 457, celestial tech overpowers juggernauts "unstoppable" spell AND Apoc can take the hulk. Soo... idk w/e but i think thats another point haha
Hmm.. I'm pretty sure that what Celestial Hulk did was lift Juggernaut's feet off the ground with that Celestial Whip which caught Juggernaut off balance. Afterall... Juggernaut only weighs 900 pounds. 0_o;
I think he did something to connection between Cain and Cyttorak using celestial tech, since its impossible to stop him due to his limitless kinetic energy.
There is no connection with Cain and Cyttorak. Cain's power is not through Cyttorak, it's through the power granted to him by the Gem. (1/8 the power of an aspect of the Crimson Cosmos). Think about this, there is only one Cyttorak in the Omniverse and he created infinite Gems to power up an unlimited army of Juggernauts per universe may it be Cain or another avatar such as Xavier or anyone else. Each of those Juggernaut's have 1/8 of a power that is unlimited. War Hulk established a forcefield of his own which only momentarily stopped the Juggernaut from pushing him any further. War Hulk had to be quick though because his power is NOT unlimited with the Celestial Tech. That is why War Hulk used the whip tendril thing to wrap itself around Juggernaut's feet and lifted him and did the toss around method.
We have to use the logic that War Hulk outsmarted Juggernaut rather than over powering him just like what happened to WWH. Red Hulk maybe had punched out the Watcher..... BUT, a depowered Juggernaut had punched out the Cosmic Stranger and that speaks more louder and clearer that the Power encased in the Crimson Gem is > Celestial Tech.
We also have to think about Magneto vs Apocalypse in comparison with Magneto vs Juggernaut. Magneto actually "killed" Apocalypse twice. However, when Magneto fought Juggernaut, Magneto was absolutely helpless in both events.
Apocalypse wins. maybe juggs is *unstappoble* but he as lost many times against less powerful heros than apocalypse. Apoc is smarter and as so many different ways of winning fights and/or war.that someone like juggs is probably not that much of a deal for him..
@tron_bonne: No, Juggernaut was running forward straight into Hulk and was pushing him back for a while, but Hulk eventually managed to put up enough resistance to stop Juggernaut in his tracks. The look on Juggy's face was priceless.
I honestly don't take this as an indication that Apocalypse could do the same though. Apocalypse's best strategy here is dodging (which should be trivially easy for him if he fights like he did in his early X-Factor appearances) and removing the helmet to make his mind vulnerable. If he has an opportunity to get to his tech he might be able to cobble together some kind of hyper-sonic device like what Nimrod used as well.
Cain has the problem of being a relatively slow, stupid, short-ranged brick trying to hit a vastly faster, smarter, more agile opponent who can also fly and teleport.
I concur, but do remember Juggernaut saying once that he can be as fast as he wanted to be and he has proven that speed with reaction-time, agility, and running speeds. I mean he does fight the Hulk and Colossus, right and they are particularly very agile bricks. Especially with Hulk! who can use the strength AND speed of his legs to propel his body into space and Juggernaut does seem to sometimes get upper hand of hits or even having the reaction to block or dodge radically fast swings from Hulk. Beast once said, "Juggernaut is correct. He is much faster than what he appears". If we use some of Juggernaut's other abilities (abilities that surprise people when or if he does use them), he might be able to counter everything Apocalypse throws at him. Yet, the only thing that's really against Juggernaut here is Apocalypse ability to mind probe. However, I consider Cain's mind like a Cubics Puzzle Block and Maze that is tightly secure and only accessible to telepaths that already know their ways around this Maze. In one comics, Xavier was probing Juggernaut's mind from a distance and once Cain felt Xavier's presence lurking, he used his Juggernaut powers to teleport Xavier to his location and ripped the astral form of Xavier out of his mind and right back into his physical body. I think I can safely say that if this were the Juggernaut that fought Nightmare, D'Spayre, Oblivion, Stranger, Cyttorak and the Exemplars -He would beat Apocalypse. If this were the Trion Juggernaut -He would easily destroy Apocalypse in every timeline/Reality. And if this were the Juggernaut that constantly looses to the X-Men and Spiderman (The Stopple Jobernaut), Apocalypse wins with ease.
incredible hulk 457, celestial tech overpowers juggernauts "unstoppable" spell AND Apoc can take the hulk. Soo... idk w/e but i think thats another point haha
Hmm.. I'm pretty sure that what Celestial Hulk did was lift Juggernaut's feet off the ground with that Celestial Whip which caught Juggernaut off balance. Afterall... Juggernaut only weighs 900 pounds. 0_o;
I think he did something to connection between Cain and Cyttorak using celestial tech, since its impossible to stop him due to his limitless kinetic energy.
There is no connection with Cain and Cyttorak. Cain's power is not through Cyttorak, it's through the power granted to him by the Gem. (1/8 the power of an aspect of the Crimson Cosmos). Think about this, there is only one Cyttorak in the Omniverse and he created infinite Gems to power up an unlimited army of Juggernauts per universe may it be Cain or another avatar such as Xavier or anyone else. Each of those Juggernaut's have 1/8 of a power that is unlimited. War Hulk established a forcefield of his own which only momentarily stopped the Juggernaut from pushing him any further. War Hulk had to be quick though because his power is NOT unlimited with the Celestial Tech. That is why War Hulk used the whip tendril thing to wrap itself around Juggernaut's feet and lifted him and did the toss around method.
We have to use the logic that War Hulk outsmarted Juggernaut rather than over powering him just like what happened to WWH. Red Hulk maybe had punched out the Watcher..... BUT, a depowered Juggernaut had punched out the Cosmic Stranger and that speaks more louder and clearer that the Power encased in the Crimson Gem is > Celestial Tech.
We also have to think about Magneto vs Apocalypse in comparison with Magneto vs Juggernaut. Magneto actually "killed" Apocalypse twice. However, when Magneto fought Juggernaut, Magneto was absolutely helpless in both events.
I completely not agree with you.
@thanobomb1124 said:
Apoc is smart and should know his weakness. I say 6-4 juggernaut wins.
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