I am still picking Elektra to beat him here...
And so can the vast majority of the people on there. Hell, Thor is just a mismatch, superhuman - strength and speed far exceeding anything really that John has seen in tandem, maybe perhaps the flash (with his ss punch strength), of who he never fought, and would lose handily too. Thor isn't quite that level speed, but he is so in strength, and enough speed to boot. +Durability, +very, very long training (lifetimes), +more experience dealing with enemies (as the warrior of asguard who was going around fighting wars), who are far beyond just 'fodder', and making them into fodder. Granted, he had his weapon. But I am inclined to think he had time in all of that fighting to be H2H sometimes, and he was definitely trained for it.
The one below it, Frank Castle - pretty much showed he can do fodder just fine, in that jail. Solo. It was a brutally bloody scene - and he showed he has it, easily.
Elektra seemed to be holding her own against 'fodder' if you will, if you count numerical inferiority vs superhuman ninjas. As far as I am concerned, she more than proved she can move through fodder, on the level of most of the fodder that Diggle goes through.
@arcus1 said:
@detacude said:
Feats? as of now I see hiim stopping at Elektra
Attacked by Malcolm (who should have had the advantage with a slight element of surprise), but Diggle reacts fast enough to pull a knife and get a grip on Malcolm in the time it takes Malcolm to re-raise his sword. Not a full Malcolm vs Diggle fight (which I was hoping for), but still a nice feat
No, it really isn't here. Most of these people have been trained (including Elektra), and have had to deal with surprises at a moments notice (NINJAS!, we seen them, and her when that surprise was against them).
As for vs Malcolm, he really only held his own to a point he avoided death; but Malcolm really wasn't after him as a goal. If you go by what the show really presented its facts, and if there was a random, full fight between the two, it seems that Malcolm would win. He stalemated or beat much better opponents than Diggle - and has had far better showings vs Oliver, than the few Oliver/Diggle confrontations we have seen (which usually don't go well for diggle).
@arcus1 said:
Could be confirmed better, but seems to be better than Laurel or Thea (which would make logical sense considering his physical and experience advantage over them)
Yea.... Two people who learned Ninja style training (league of shadows, and partially ninja like Ollie, Malcolm) - who just kind of started. Vs Ninja assassin, groomed to be extreme top tier in their own ninja league sort of thing... But from far, far younger age, compared to all the later starters. I would pick Elektra over Thea and Laurel easily, feat wise, and logic wise. And logic wise, even over Sara Lance.
Saying he is 'above Laurel and Thea', isn't really impressive here at all. He SHOULD be better if he even wants to be able to keep up here, sort of.
He stops at round 2, Elektra beats him. Castle probably beats him as well (not as convinced though, as that isn't Frank's normal MO, and Diggle might still take him on almost half the sets, if not more). He does fare better on the H2H level against Frank than Elektra; so perhaps change those and it would be a better list. One specializes in that sort of close fighting, the other one does not (even though Frank can still bring it). But Thor, etc? After that point it becomes laughably against Diggle. Though, not as much vs Skye. That would probably be something like the Elektra; still a decisive enough loss - but perhaps in a respectable manner. Why the hell is she rated ABOVE Thor? The superhuman God of Thunder, even in H2H? Hell, he should be above May. Not sure who I pick over Thor and BW H2H though, as I think that can go either way. Either way, Diggle is out of his league. I might pick oliver over some of these people. But not diggle. No way in hell.
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