Itachi & Shisui vs Nagato & Yahiko

- Both are healthy and at max power,

-Yes Edotensei

-Battle takes place in the Forest.

-Itachi still has the Mangekyou Sharingan

-Nagato in the body, not the Six Paths

-Both are Bloodlusted

Shisui and Itachi destroys

Lol no. Uchiha only hope is shisui genjustu

that's not true itachi has greater genjustu than shisui

Lmfao.

Three ways Nagato alone could end this: Chibaku Tensei gg, Animal path spam gg or Bt+Soul rip gg. In the end result Nagato solos.

itachi has the strongest genjutsu in the narutoverse

i call b.s

shisui will take down yahiko in 2 sec and then nagato will rage trying to suck shisui's soul out but shisui will keep dodging

then itachi will use his totsuka blade to kill nagato

also shisui can use his kotoamatsukami to make nagato kill yahiko and then himself. Plus shisui and itachi have better chemistry

Do you know what BT is? Shisui can not just escape the hold it has, he will be drawn towards Nagato and at that point Nagato soul rips like he was going to do to Naruto.

Lol because Nagato is just gonna stand there and let Itachi stab him.

@boltddarkking:

Then how did hanzo escape it

Nagato never used Bansho Tensei(Universal pull) against Hazno, he used his gedo mazo. There's a difference when your trying to take out an army of people with a technique than trying to take out an individual. As shown when Naruto fought him, if it wasn't for Itachi Naruto would have been soul rip gg.

plus shisui can teleport

Shisui can not teleport. He uses the body flicker technique that appears as if someone is teleporting, but they actually use great speed to cover a large amount of space. There's a huge difference between someone looking like there teleporting than someone actually teleporting.

naruto can't and also GENJUTSU for pete sake

When did I state that Naruto can use genjutsu?

nagato will think he is fighting shisui then bam in then bam in the real world he is dead

Too bad He'll be fighting off Nagato's multiple summonings, giving Nagato enough time to do chibaku tensei. The moment he does Chibaku Tensei it's game over as shisui nor Itachi has shown the DC to destroy a chibaku tensei never the less both of them.

when jiraya fought nagato it showed that nagato had a weak spot in genjutsu

Jiraya did not fight Nagato, he fought the pain bodies and the genjutsu that was being used was sound which even caught Itachi a supposed genjutsu specialist.

also amaterasu

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11124/111242221/4825923-2084752867-YacDl.png, the manga disagrees with you. Nagato has already countered Amaterasu with shinra tensei

not to speak of using the tskuyomi to make nagato pass out.

Tsukuyomi requires eye contact. Nagato not only has sensing abilities allowing him to fight with out looking at Itachi's eyes but also he has abilities that don't require him to actually look at his opponent. You act is if genjutsu is Itachi's best bet against Nagato, yet Itachi had naruto and killer bee fighting alongside him and still didn't have the chance to do genjutsu once.

itachi and shisui are both faster then nagato in hand seals, pllus all itahi needs to do is lift a finger 4 genjutsu, before nagato can summon or take a step he is in a genjustu and yahiko is dead.

nagato knows nothing of the uchiha clan, he wouldn't even knoow what looking into itachi's eyes would mean.

Also nagato can release amaterasu from himself, not the geddo statue.

shisui also has susanoo andif nagato pulls him towards bam susanoo, that would probably make nagato jump back, if he isn't already dead.

also itachi uses amaterasu on all his summoning and the geddo statue, so nagato is left alone. Nagato can't do any damage to the yata mirror, and last but not the least, itachi would end it with the tostuka blade

This is basically the Uchiha vs Nagato, Yahiko is little better than fodder. And those two vs him really ought to be enough. Itachi was basically able to take him down himself after he used Shisui's Mangekyo tech on himself.

Also shisui is also very strong and became a jonin at a very young age

Spite. Itachi and Shishiui wins with little to mid difficulty.

Gedo mazo can handle their relatively Susanoos

Shinra tensei nullifies Amateratsu

Pein doesnt hv shared vision with his dead bodies however

And yahiko is liability.

Shishui Koto amatsumi solos.

Itachi Totsuka solos Gedo Mazo in the end

Nagato easily solos. Rinnegan nullifies visual genjutsu, so kotoamatsukami (team 1's only chance) is a non-factor.

@Anomalous : How does Rinnegan nullify visual genjutsu.

@bionar: Rinnegan users alone aren't affected by Infinite Tsukuyomi. Are you arguing kotoamatsukami > IT?

1. Shisui is featless. If rinnegan isn't immune to visual genjutsu you could make absurd claims like "Shisui would beat So6P Madara. Kotoamatsukami gg.", "Shisui would beat current Sasuke. Kotoamatsukami gg.", etc. based 100% on hype.

2. Nagato nearly beat Itachi, Naruto and Bee at the same time while crippled. @boltddarkking says in the OP "bloodlusted, healthy and max power" so he would be as strong as in that fight but with working legs and right away use full strength shinra/chibaku? Uchihas have -25% chance of winning

Shisui solos with kotohaxkami.

He uses it on nagato and then it becomes a 3 v 1

Shisui and Itachi.

@ Anomalous: Thats exactly what i'm saying. Kotoamatsukami > Tsukuyomi.

Mere Rinnegan =/= Rinnegan with Tomoe which has infinite Tsukuyomi.

Shishui was quoted by numerous charcters in narutoverse as having the most powerful genjutsu. Probably even Itachi himself.

It could reverse Edo tensei which mere Tsukuyomi can't.

There's nothing stopping nagato from falling for kotoamatsukami which can potentially evolve into a Rinnegan itself.

Having a power upgrade in Narutoverse isnt what makes you more powerful, Sasuke with no Ms broke out of Tsukuyomi with relative ease.

Becoming So6p involves being jinchuuriki of the juubi. And mere ninjustu and Genjutsu doesnt work on them for this reason.

Logically it makes sense since Hagoromo created Ninjustu itself.

Yet, nagato isnt remotely jinchuuriki and fell for Frog Song Genjustu.

Chibaku tensei wont work since powerful attacks can destroy the black orb.

And it doesnt have to get to that stage.. Totsuka still solos nagato.

2 uchihas with MS and hax jutsu are too much for Nagato. Jiraiya was very decent against his dead bodies, and could have won easier if it were the real Nagato.

Uchihas can take this with High difficulty

Whaaaaaaaaat, u drunk saskue had to hide under his susanoo cuz he knew that it would affect him. Also pain killed the frog claiming that he didn't want it to use genjutsu, pain has never done that. The frog said that their only weakness is genjutsu, cuz they all see through the same eys so ninjutsu is useless and he can absorbs ninjutsu so GENJUTSU and that is all what itachi is about.

WHAT Itachi made it so that saskue would break out, if he didn't sasuke would have passed out and what would itachi gain

proof?

wrong, sasuke used his susanoo to stop everyone else from getting affected, black zetsu even stated that sasuke was countering IT with his rinnegan.

1. He used the Susanoo to protect Team 7 not himself.
2. That was audial genjutsu not visual. I never said rinnegan makes him immune to genjutsu in every form.

1. Show me a feat for kotoamatsukami that puts it above Infinite Tsukuyomi.
2. No. I guarantee no one thinks that after the war (i.e. after they've seen IT). My opinion of strongest genjutsu users:
   1. Kaguya
   2. So6P Madara / (possibly) Hagoromo
   3. (possibly) Indra
   4. Shisui
   5. Itachi
3. You really believe Tsukuyomi and Infinite Tsukuyomi are equal and that 3 tomoe sharingan would be enough to break IT? That's your problem.
4. You can't just say "this genjutsu worked on Nagato so all genjutsu will". Frog song is audial not visual, and everything we've seen implies rinnegan users are immune to VISUAL genjutsu.
5. They do not have enough combined power to destoy it. It took yasaka magatama, rasen shuriken and a bijuu bomb to do it. Show me Shisui's ninjutsu equal to rasen shuriken + bijuu bomb.
6. Crippled Nagato. OP says they are healthy, so we should assume Nagato is mobile don't you agree?
7. Umm Nagato is definitely stronger with all the abilities in one body... This is commonly agreed upon. Also, Nagato wasn't even close to bloodlusted against Jiraiya. If he attacked with all 6 at once he would have fodderized Jiraiya.

Uchiha wins . Yahiko is near featless . Itachi at max with shisui's assistance sure can take out nagato with no six paths body

@boltddarkking said:

- Both are healthy and at max power,

-No Edotensei

-Battle takes place in the Forest.

-Itachi still has the Mangekyou Sharingan

-Nagato in the body, not the Six Paths

-Both are Bloodlusted

Did you really make a thread and come back 5 months later to say one of the teams destroys...

@Anomalous:

1. i remember saying Kotoamatsukami > Tsukuyomi and not Infinite Tsukyomi

2. With Kotoamatsukami the victim doesnt even realize they are being controlled unlike Tsukuyomi which takes you to an alternate reality.

Kind of similar to Izanami because of its subtlety and IMO i'd say even better than it.

3. As for feats, Danzo used it during the 5 Kages summit on Mifune to influence his decision,

Itachi used it to break out of Edo tensei.

Shishui would have used it to prevent an Impending Uchiha war.

Sasuke would have changed his mind about attacking Konoha had he fought Naruto without intervening in the war.

Danzo would have beaten Sasuke.

Based on these feats and hype , you get the idea its better

Kotomastukami can change a target's mind and make it appear as if its a natural decision. It can stop battles and conflicts. Could have stopped the Fourth Ninja war and saved countless lives.

Had itachi not given Naruo, I imagine he wouldn't have had to resort to Izanami against Kabuto.

It is the Ultimate Hax Genjutsu, and IMO is greater than Itachi's Tsukuyomi which Sasuke clearly broke out of without MS.

3. Yes, 3Tomoe Sharingan broke out of MS Tsukuyomi, Itachi could have known it was possible but he did act surprised and i believe he wasn't faking that gesture. Sasuke already trained on breaking Genjutsu, while under Orochimaru. He was shown numerously breaking Genjutsu traps in prep for Tsukuyomi.

4. You also don't know if Visual Genjutsu would have worked on Rinnengan. Agreed auditory Genjustu is clearly different but it hasnt bn stated that it shouldn't work.

5. Chibaku Tensei while effective is slow. Enough time for Totsuka to seal Nagato. Besides its out of character to start with Chibaku and considering Yahiko he probably wouldn't.

6. The feats for Mobile Nagato isn't sufficient for him to win a battle of this difficulty.

Him not being mobile enough in his body isn't a new thing.

For one,Hanzo decimated his legs and was faster than him with teleportation jutsu

And also @ his last battle, He had absorbed Bee's chakra and restored his youth and who knows probably healed all his injuries and he still couldnt evade Totsuka .

Maybe you could say it came as a surprise. But his legs looked intact to me.

For me, He hasnt demonstrated enough speed feats to keep up with neither Itachi nor Shishui.

7. Nagato IMO is more powerful with his dead bodies. Because

1. Nagato himself is @ risk of mortal injury with his real body. Again Hanzo destroyed his legs and Totsuka sealed him while using his actual body.

2. He doesnt have shared vision when fighting alone, using those bodies improve his success rate because he leaves him without any blindspot and not being there its essentially playing God.

3. Original Nagato would have lost to Frog song.. But thanks to those dead bodies. Real nagato resisted the auditory Genjutsu while his bodies were trapped , a massive advantage to beat a guard let down Jiraiya.

4. He cant use Combination Moves with his real bodies

5. He gets badly Outnumbered against Elite Ninjas such as these.

um what is Yahiko supposed to do?

@cosmic_lantern said:

@anomalous said:

He used the Susanoo to protect Team 7 not himself.

Except 'obito' outright states it's because of the light not being able to pierce susanoo, he used it as refuge also. Not one single shred of evidence that says he can't be genjutsu'd with his regular rinnegan.

That was audial genjutsu not visual. I never said rinnegan makes him immune to genjutsu in every form.

Rinnegan doesn't make him immune to genjutsu period, Its exactly as Itatchi said over hundreds of chapters before

"Only those who have the same eyes as me and share my blood may overcome...."

1. Sasuke is a direct descendant of Hagoromo, Madara and Indra.

2. Rinnegan meet Rinnegan:

Also that's his charged eye that has the blessing of Hago, when it needs to charge thiers nothing suggesting that IT wouldn't work on him.

Sasuke had the three tomoe sharingan, yet he still escaped Tsukuyomi.

@cosmic_lantern said:

@the_stern_ritter said:

Sasuke had the three tomoe sharingan, yet he still escaped Tsukuyomi.

Your gonna have to try better. Lmao, this is why I take feats over statements, as they can easily be contradicted.

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/92120462ms.png

So kakashi (a sharingan user who isn't related) fails to escape tsukuyomi, but somehow Sasuke (uchiha blood) does and that statement (that has context) carries more weight? You do realize this was Itatchis plan for him to unlock mangekyou right? You're basically taking a statement over a feat right now, I applaud your level of intellect sir.

So kakashi (a sharingan user who isn't related) fails to escape tsukuyomi,

Kakashi lacks two sharingans, and doesn't have the body to maintain it for long at this point. Using him as an example is irrelevant

but somehow Sasuke (uchiha blood) does and that statement (that has context) carries more weight

Yah remember what happen the first time Itachi used genjutsu on Sasuke? Despite having the prerequisites to escape Tsukuyomi Sasuke still failed to escape it, contradicting what Itachi said. Yet again his own statement gets contradicted as Itachi says Sasuke needs the Mangekyou Sharingan to escape his Tsukuyomi, yet the opposite happens. Learn the ability to comprehend text, because you very well seem to be lacking that.

You do realize this was Itatchis plan for him to unlock mangekyou right?

So what does this mean? Yes I admit Itachi was holding back but there was no proof of Itachi holding back on his Tsukuyomi, there was no possible way that he knew Sasuke would be able to escape Tsukuyomi coming into the battle. He was very well testing how strong Sasuke got over the year.

You're basically taking a statement over a feat right now, I applaud your level of intellect sir.

Lmao insult me all you want, your insults are honestly minuscule to me.

1. It can be interpreted as "the rinnegan protects Sasuke. He is able to share that protection with people who don't posses rinnegan by covering them with his susanoo".
2. Ah yes, I forgot Itachi is omnipotent and knew everything about rinnegan when he fought Kakashi in part one...
3. Are you forgetting Nagato is also related to Hagoromo (probably even closer than Sasuke by DNA since he is a generation older) on the Senju side? And that Nagato's rinnegan are actually Madara's? In other words, at some point Nagato's rinnegan were Madara's sharingan.

Nagato solos. Shisui and Yahiko are featless, and it's hilarious that anyone thinks Itachi stands any chance against Nagato.

I'm with Nagato

Shisui and Nagato are featless.

Nagato should pwn Itachi

one questions. @boltddarkking is this nagato Before or after meeting obito?

if its pre-obito(when nagato/yuhiko get betrayed by hanzo for example) itachi and shusui destroy them.

if its after his training with obito and he has mastery over his rinnegan? nagato solos, yuhiko isnt even needed.

i wouldnt even bother replying. if cosmic doesn't agree with your logic, he will resort to insulting you. if that doesn't work? he will go on a tangent, tell you to never tag him again and claim your being childish by using logic and reasoning over apparent fan boyism.

though i do lol at him somehow using Kakashi's feat > sasuke's feat. apparently he thinks kakashi can use his single sharingan better then sasuke can use his two, natural ones somehow? haha.

honestly it all depends. is this the nagato we know in the current time line? or is this the one pictured, young nagato pre-hanzo? i mean if the only thing he ever mastered was decent ninjutsu and can only summon the gedo? he gets owned.

but if this is post-obitio training with his rinnegan, then he should stomp the uchiha's to a degree.

It's current, meaning Nagato as he was in Edo form, just with legs and no healing. It wouldn't make too much sense to use the young version. He only has one appearance with feats, and they're lackluster, to say the least.

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