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#1  Edited By NCC1396

Illyria before mutari generator in her human form vs Glory in her human form.

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#2  Edited By Original_Sin

Illyria.

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#3  Edited By majestic99

@NCC1396: @Original_Sin said:

Illyria.

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@majestic99 said:

@NCC1396: @Original_Sin said:

Illyria.

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@venomoushatred1001 said:

@majestic99 said:

@NCC1396: @Original_Sin said:

Illyria.

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#6  Edited By Picard

It was done in the past. Glory.

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#7  Edited By HolySerpent

Illryia murders her

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Illryia

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#9  Edited By Picard

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Illryia murders her

Why? What is your reasoning?

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#10  Edited By HolySerpent

Way way better fighter.

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#11  Edited By Picard

@HolySerpent: So? Glory is still invulnerability to all physical attacks. Only magick and enchanted weapon could hurt her

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#12  Edited By EpitomeofCool

glory wins...sticks her hands in her head and brain fires her..& been done

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Illyria

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Could you imagine if Illyria had been put in Glory's body instead of Fred's? That Body should have handled the full power.

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#15  Edited By the_stegman  Moderator

Illyria, Glory can be hurt by someone strong enough, Buffy managed to do it, and Illyria is plenty strong enough, add to that her time manipulation powers and h2h skills and it's lights out for that lopsided arse goddess.

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#16  Edited By NCC1396

But the whole thing where Illyria blew up, ignore that pretend it couldn't happen.

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@Picard said:

@HolySerpent: So? Glory is still invulnerability to all physical attacks. Only magick and enchanted weapon could hurt her

So was Illyria before time bomb, except there didn't seem to be any weapon or magics that could hurt at the time, she basically said it when she figured that she was "dying" due to her own power. Even the Senior Partners didn't want to mess with her until she lost her powers.

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Could you imagine if Illyria had been put in Glory's body instead of Fred's? That Body should have handled the full power.

That body wasn't built to handle power,it was a mortal body, Glory just found a way to surface and tap some very basic powers.

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@LordOfAllHumans: LoL, yes, realized that after I posted. Thanks!

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#19  Edited By Original_Sin

@EpitomeofCool said:

glory wins...sticks her hands in her head and brain fires her..& been done

I doubt Glory will even be able to get that close.

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#20  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@EpitomeofCool said:

glory wins...sticks her hands in her head and brain fires her..& been done

There is no brain to fry,. It was all liquefied, besides it would be Freds brain anyway and Freds memories exist as some kind of electrical energy that Illyana can read from her fingertips. Illyria exists as demonic essence, outside of that body she/it is not physical.

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#21  Edited By EpitomeofCool

I doubt Glory will even be able to get that close.

...it is well within her capabilities

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@EpitomeofCool said:

I doubt Glory will even be able to get that close.

...it is well within her capabilities

How exactly? Illyria is better than Glory is basically everything that matters. I don't ever recall Glory dodging Buffy's hits (granted she didn't need to) like Illyria dodged Spike's and Angel's. Even if Glory tried to super speed her way to Illyria she could just slow down time to a crawl and side step her. Hell if she got bored she could just BRF Illyria to another dimension. Perhaps she would even take pity on Glory and send her home.

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@EpitomeofCool:

Lets assume it is, there is not much she could do even if she did.

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#24  Edited By HolySerpent

Original_sin: is right. I dont see glory touching Illryia

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#25  Edited By 80sBaby

Full-powered Illyria was a BEAST! She wins here without much effort.

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#26  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@HolySerpent said:

Original_sin: is right. I dont see glory touching Illryia

This, and the fact that even if she does, she'll find no brain to fry. Willow created sufficient backlash, just by taking back what she took from Tara. If she does for some reason get her hands in the place where the brain is supposed to she will be dealing with a lot more backlash than that, and there is nothing to suggest that Illryia won't still be standing after that. She may welcome it, because before Time Bomb she was very unimpressed by any kind of physical assault.

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#27  Edited By EpitomeofCool

Illyria cannot hurt glory...glory is invulnerable (w/ the one exception of a god empowered object used repededly by someone w/ super strength)..when glory drained tara, a witch, of her mental capacity it made her feel extra jucied up, imagine what a demon would give her...Illyria beating spike and angel in nothing compared to glory taking down all of the gang...Illyria cant slow down time if she gets blitzed first....now this match has been done on here several times already, repeat battle....

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@EpitomeofCool said:

Illyria cannot hurt glory...glory is invulnerable (w/ the one exception of a god empowered object used repededly by someone w/ super strength)..when glory drained tara, a witch, of her mental capacity it made her feel extra jucied up, imagine what a demon would give her...Illyria beating spike and angel in nothing compared to glory taking down all of the gang...Illyria cant slow down time if she gets blitzed first....now this match has been done on here several times already, repeat battle....

Pre- Timebomb, nothing could hurt Illyria either. As far as the brain drain, there is no brain. Glory absorbs sanity to keep her sane thus driving other insane and is only interested in humans. Her losing her mind is directly related to Ben showing up, it keeps him away, when she loses it he tends to show up. She'll find none of this energy with Illyria because Illyrias power is held together by the Shell, not by the mystical binding forces of the brain. There is only person on the Gang worth taking down physically, and that is Buffy. Her beating a bunch of normal strength teens with a Slayer is more physically impressive, than Illyria beating two centuries old vamps with years of fighting experience? Willow was the only one that could hurt her and that was with magic. Illyria was too powerful to do that kind of stuff to. There was nothing science or magic could do to save Fred once she was infected, and Wolfram and Hart resources >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Willows, when she fought Glory.

Let's say Illyria is blitzed before she can slow down time, then what? They duke it out, that's what and Illyria is the better fighter, and arguably stronger as far as punching power. Does Mac truck ring a any bells? It should because Glory got mowed down by one, and Illyria hits as hard as one, in sparring matches with a hybrid that she's not trying to kill because she likes hitting him. Sounds to me like she just may have been holding back.

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#29  Edited By EpitomeofCool

yes, buffy and spike and the rest >>>>>> angel and spike....having better h2h means nothing when you cannot harm the person you are fighting...willows power >>>> wolfram and hart...if willow was put up against illyria she would obvosly prep differently..and willows magic was powerful and only hurt her for a sec...glory is forced to hold back all the time becuase of ben, thats why she could never put her fist through buffy like she wanted to....anyway like I said Im not getting into this as it is a repeat..

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@EpitomeofCool said:

yes, buffy and spike and the rest >>>>>> angel and spike....having better h2h means nothing when you cannot harm the person you are fighting...willows power >>>> wolfram and hart...if willow was put up against illyria she would obvosly prep differently..and willows magic was powerful and only hurt her for a sec...glory is forced to hold back all the time becuase of ben, thats why she could never put her fist through buffy like she wanted to....anyway like I said Im not getting into this as it is a repeat..

What makes you think Illryia can't hurt her though? Did a truck not hit her so hard she turned into Ben? Does Spike not say Illyria hit's like a Mac truck? Seems to me like she could hit her, turn her into Ben and kill him. Cyrus Vail can alter history and shift realities and he is only one person on the Wolfram and Hart payroll. Willow was not that powerful when Glory was around and drained rapidly from a few lightning bolts, conjuring and telekinesis, while calling on power from other gods. Glory told Buffy she could kill her, but she wanted her Key. She wasn't holding back power, that was simply all the power she had access to.

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@EpitomeofCool said:

..willows power >>>> wolfram and hart...if willow was put up against illyria she would obvosly prep differently..and willows magic was powerful and only hurt her for a sec...

I question this: W&H had the backing of the senior partners. You think they were less powerful than Willow?

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#32  Edited By buttersdaman000

Illyria

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#33  Edited By NCC1396

@drgnx: Yeah three Demon Gods are definately stronger than a human witch

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Illyria. Besides huge strength, combat skill, and durability, she demonstrated more in the way of non physical powers which gives her the advantage even IF they were physically matched, which they aren't. Illyria ftw.

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#35  Edited By job2

Glory wins. I don't know what show most of you watched, but Glory was invulnerable, and had far more tv show feats of strength than Illyria. And she has super speed, so i dont see why people think Illryia slowing time would be a problem. The only Way Illyria could win is if she used her Time manipulation powers to turn Glory back into Ben, and kill Ben.

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#36  Edited By NCC1396

@Job: Yes but what way does Glory have of killing Illyria. They both are invulnurable but Illyria has the upper hand due to her time manipulation and she doesn't turn into a human once in a while.

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#37  Edited By Picard

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@Job: Yes but what way does Glory have of killing Illyria. They both are invulnurable but Illyria has the upper hand due to her time manipulation and she doesn't turn into a human once in a while.

IIlyria is not invurnelable, before she was depowered she escaped from Angel and his firing squad -so she is not completly immune to physical harm - , and after she was depowered she was badly beaten by Marcus Hamilton. Also Glory can just suck on IIlyria's brain, and I highly doubt that IIlyria can do anything to Glory - since there is no prove that Glory can be harmed by physical means

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@Picard: 1. That's not "proof" that Illyria can be harmed. 2. What happens after she's de-powered has no bearing on this fight since she's empowered fully for it. 3. Glory attacks humans and Illyria's not human. 4. Glory is vulnerable as Ben.

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@Picard said:

@NCC1396 said:

@Job: Yes but what way does Glory have of killing Illyria. They both are invulnurable but Illyria has the upper hand due to her time manipulation and she doesn't turn into a human once in a while.

IIlyria is not invurnelable, before she was depowered she escaped from Angel and his firing squad -so she is not completly immune to physical harm - , and after she was depowered she was badly beaten by Marcus Hamilton. Also Glory can just suck on IIlyria's brain, and I highly doubt that IIlyria can do anything to Glory - since there is no prove that Glory can be harmed by physical means

Illyria does not have a brain and there is nothing to suggest (if she did) that Glory can do this to non-humans, she certainly didn't do it to Spike and was disgusted by the thought of even doing this to a minion.

Fact: Glory hit by a speeding truck is hit so hard it changes her into Ben.

Fact: Illyria hits as hard as a Mac truck during sparring sessions.

Logical conclusion: Illyrial can hit her hard enough to bring out Ben and kill him.

Outcome: Illyria wins.

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@Picard: 1. That's not "proof" that Illyria can be harmed. 2. What happens after she's de-powered has no bearing on this fight since she's empowered fully for it. 3. Glory attacks humans and Illyria's not human. 4. Glory is vulnerable as Ben.

1. Yes, it is a proof - Angel said that even her can't shrug off all that bullets and then she run away. 2. yes, I know and I said that. 3. Not only humans - she defeted one of the best - if not the best - Slayer, defeted vampire such as Spike and powerfull witch like Willow. 4. Yes, she is but Ben is not in this battle.

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#41  Edited By Original_Sin

Why is this still going on? Illyria wins. Plain and simple.

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#42  Edited By Picard

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Why is this still going on? Illyria wins. Plain and simple.

No, Glory wins plain and simple. ;)

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@Job: Yes but what way does Glory have of killing Illyria. They both are invulnurable but Illyria has the upper hand due to her time manipulation and she doesn't turn into a human once in a while.

Ilyria is not invulnerable. And i already went over the time thing. What does that even mean? Never mind the fact that Iylria was turning into human all through out after the fall..Glory being human sometimes really has no baring on this fight.

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#44  Edited By 80sBaby

@Picard: 1. No, it's not. Angel's not an expert on Illyria's powers or limitations. She also didn't have time to waste. She was focused on her mission. 2. Then why bring it up? 3. She never FED on anyone other than humans and Illyria's waaaay more powerful than any of those you mentioned so... 4.Ben comes out whenever Glory's expended too much energy. Illyria's more than powerful enough to make her do that and, with no food source, Ben appears and gets killed.

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#45  Edited By Original_Sin

@Picard said:

@Original_Sin said:

Why is this still going on? Illyria wins. Plain and simple.

No, Glory wins plain and simple. ;)

What exactly has Glory done that puts her on the same scale as Illyria? What's her biggest strength feat? I've heard it was knocking down a building which is a LIE. She knocked down a support column which I believe held up a staircase of some sort. Hardly something to get out of shape about. Her durability is nothing. While it may impress Buffy and the scoobies it's really nothing to Illyria. Her super speed. Please. Lets see her blur her way when Illyria stops time to a crawl. Nothing the crazy goddess has in her bag of tricks is enough to give her a win against a full powered Illyria.

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#46  Edited By Picard

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@Picard said:

@NCC1396 said:

@Job: Yes but what way does Glory have of killing Illyria. They both are invulnurable but Illyria has the upper hand due to her time manipulation and she doesn't turn into a human once in a while.

IIlyria is not invurnelable, before she was depowered she escaped from Angel and his firing squad -so she is not completly immune to physical harm - , and after she was depowered she was badly beaten by Marcus Hamilton. Also Glory can just suck on IIlyria's brain, and I highly doubt that IIlyria can do anything to Glory - since there is no prove that Glory can be harmed by physical means

Illyria does not have a brain and there is nothing to suggest (if she did) that Glory can do this to non-humans, she certainly didn't do it to Spike and was disgusted by the thought of even doing this to a minion.

Fact: Glory hit by a speeding truck is hit so hard it changes her into Ben.

Fact: Illyria hits as hard as a Mac truck during sparring sessions.

Logical conclusion: Illyrial can hit her hard enough to bring out Ben and kill him.

Outcome: Illyria wins.

Well, one: it was only Spike's opinion not a fact. Two: Glory shrugged off more than just Mac Truck - she was hit by wrecking ball and didn't transform into Ben...

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@LordOfAllHumans said:

@Picard said:

@NCC1396 said:

@Job: Yes but what way does Glory have of killing Illyria. They both are invulnurable but Illyria has the upper hand due to her time manipulation and she doesn't turn into a human once in a while.

IIlyria is not invurnelable, before she was depowered she escaped from Angel and his firing squad -so she is not completly immune to physical harm - , and after she was depowered she was badly beaten by Marcus Hamilton. Also Glory can just suck on IIlyria's brain, and I highly doubt that IIlyria can do anything to Glory - since there is no prove that Glory can be harmed by physical means

Illyria does not have a brain and there is nothing to suggest (if she did) that Glory can do this to non-humans, she certainly didn't do it to Spike and was disgusted by the thought of even doing this to a minion.

Fact: Glory hit by a speeding truck is hit so hard it changes her into Ben.

Fact: Illyria hits as hard as a Mac truck during sparring sessions.

Logical conclusion: Illyrial can hit her hard enough to bring out Ben and kill him.

Outcome: Illyria wins.

Fact: Glory was dropped from the stratosphere, hit by a a wrecking ball, lighting, and had a building fall on her without being hurt or turning back to bill. Glory turned back into Ben because it was time to turn back into Ben.

Fact: A slayer in season 8 of buffy was hit by a Mac truck and it did nothing. Glory>>>>Mac Truck

Fact: Glory Hits harder than Ilyria

Fact: You didnt make any sense so you should say stuff like logical conclusions.

Fact: You should stick to Jean Grey wanking.

Logical Suggestion: Know what you're talking about before entering debates. And dont use logical fallacies to come to "logical conclusions".

Outcome: Glory wins

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#48  Edited By job2

@80sBaby: Post quotes from the show that state Illryia is invulnerable. You wont because there are none. It is however stated that nothing can hurt Glory outside of essence of a God or really powerful dark magics.

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#49  Edited By Original_Sin

@Picard said:

@LordOfAllHumans said:

@Picard said:

@NCC1396 said:

@Job: Yes but what way does Glory have of killing Illyria. They both are invulnurable but Illyria has the upper hand due to her time manipulation and she doesn't turn into a human once in a while.

IIlyria is not invurnelable, before she was depowered she escaped from Angel and his firing squad -so she is not completly immune to physical harm - , and after she was depowered she was badly beaten by Marcus Hamilton. Also Glory can just suck on IIlyria's brain, and I highly doubt that IIlyria can do anything to Glory - since there is no prove that Glory can be harmed by physical means

Illyria does not have a brain and there is nothing to suggest (if she did) that Glory can do this to non-humans, she certainly didn't do it to Spike and was disgusted by the thought of even doing this to a minion.

Fact: Glory hit by a speeding truck is hit so hard it changes her into Ben.

Fact: Illyria hits as hard as a Mac truck during sparring sessions.

Logical conclusion: Illyrial can hit her hard enough to bring out Ben and kill him.

Outcome: Illyria wins.

Well, one: it was only Spike's opinion not a fact. Two: Glory shrugged off than just Mac Truck - she was hit by wrecking ball and didn't transform into Ben...

Then you would think when Xander hit her on the head with a crowbar she wouldn't have even felt it (much like she did with the punches thrown by Buffy) but she did. So explain to me how someone with human strength wielding a crowbar managed to cause harm (however slight) to Glory when Buffy couldn't. The inconsistencies /lies surrounding the character is amazing.

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#50  Edited By LordOfAllHumans

@Picard said:

@80sBaby said:

@Picard: 1. That's not "proof" that Illyria can be harmed. 2. What happens after she's de-powered has no bearing on this fight since she's empowered fully for it. 3. Glory attacks humans and Illyria's not human. 4. Glory is vulnerable as Ben.

1. Yes, it is a proof - Angel said that even her can't shrug off all that bullets and then she run away. 2. yes, I know and I said that. 3. Not only humans - she defeted one of the best - if not the best - Slayer, defeted vampire such as Spike and powerfull witch like Willow. 4. Yes, she is but Ben is not in this battle.

It was Wesley that made the statement that there were enough bullets to temporarily incapacitate her, and it was never actually proven, because she had things to do. She was on the time table of her own prophecy, she was trying to get to her temple and army of doom, not fight 2 half breeds and band of primitives.

Ben has to be in this battle or Glory can't be, they are the same being physically, they share that body.