Iceman vs Superman

Superman should win, he has already battled and beat someone who had powers similar to Iceman.

ice man can be Ko right? he sleeps and shit he get tired right?

Superman

Eventually Iceman will tire physically and mentally while Superman won't. Superman could spend decades siting in a lawn chair allowing Iceman to attack him and it would only serve as an annoyance.

How do we know Superman would be immune to Bobby sucking the moisture out of him or freezing his brain?

@spiderbuck: he try the same thing and did nothing to thor, in deep space the temperature goes around -273K and absolute 0 is -275k soo...nop you'll not do anything agains him

It's in ANTARTICA. Iceman controls ICE. You do the maths. Morals off Iceman can freeze superman in a block of ice and stab him with points of ice. Freeze his brain. Make his blood into gas. Pull all the water from the ocean and make him 1000 feet tall.

@themgr: we cant freeze superman

ice stab, agains the man of steel? really?

we already fail to freeze blood or whatever against a powerhouse(thor) what make you think we could do it against superman?

1000feet tall....so? he goes down the same way

@sama_el: If u didn't read ANTARTICA. ICE. ICEMAN. ONESHOT

I know freezing his brain won't do anything heck he might not even notice since he can't feel the cold but moisture is up in the air since Superman isn't human so idk how that would affect his physiology.

That is definitely a huge matzo ball hanging out there.

Scans please if you have them would be awesome.

What!? what!!!!!????? Wait I'm sorry, but.... Seriously? This is SUPERMAN... THE MAN OF STEEL... THE LAST KRYPTONIAN. And your putting him against the Popsicle?!?! This is spite! This is just bad. I mean I am very aloof to both characters, but it doesn't take much to realize Ice Man will just get ruined in a fight against Superman. The strength to shatter planets. Speed faster than light. Invulnerability. Genius level intelligence. Super breath( which tricking includes ice!!). Against ice?!??!?!!?! It's Ice Man. No way Superman 1000/10

@spiderbuck: kidding right?? In what universe it would be possible to happen, since the unique Superman's weaknesses are kryptonite, magic and red sun radiation and additional information he can raise the temperature of his own body,after all he absorbs solar energy

Stalemate,they can't hurt each other

I'm not sure if what you just said definitively proves Superman's physiology can withstand having the moisture completely removed. Scans of him beating a character with similar powers would be useful, as was alluded to above.

He's not a planet buster yet in New52 unless you can prove otherwise. You are lowballing Bobby here a great deal. He is an Omega level mutant. When Emma had his powers she solo'd the X-Men, and she's nowhere near his level of competency with those same powers. I'm not saying Bobby would win, but I don't think he is a push over by any means.

@spiderbuck: Soshow meprove Bobby would be able to do that .....

@killemall

@spiderbuck: Even if Iceman could suck the moisture out of Superman it wouldn't kill, ko or incapacitate him Superman would still be invulnerable have his healing ability and still have the sun for sustenance.

@spiderbuck: he flat out told supergirl they have the powers to easily destroy planets........ Kara fought a team of world killers while extremely weakened....... They can planet bust in n52.

Also when emma had his powers she was way better than bobby. He even admitted seeing what she did with his powers is what made him realise how much more he could do.......... Anyway supermans heat vision completely evaporates him or the entire arctic circle if need be. Clark wins no problem.

@mr_jordan: If I'm correct then Superman, at the moment at least, is no longer a planet buster. If you have some scans from New 52 to say otherwise, then you might have a solid foundation.

@zr0c00l: I don't mean to be rude, but statements < feats. In fact, I'm pretty sure Supes needed help to move a small planet, let alone bust one. I could be wrong though, since I'm not the biggest Superman fan. I don't even think Supes can travel at lightspeed anymore...

As far as the battle goes, it should be a stalemate, or Supes should eventually win. It would take a while for Supes to wear down Bobby, ESPECIALLY since they're in Antartica and he can just keep reforming everytime Supes tries to vaporize or pummel him. On the other hand, I can't really see Iceman doing anything that could harm Superman, unless that whole moisture thing is possible, but that's left to questioning.

Basically, I think it's a stalemate because neither one is going to take down the other easily. However, if I HAD to choose one, I'd choose Supes, because it would be more likely he'd take Bobby down then vice versa.

Jmarshmallow

Busting a planet >> saying you can bust a planet. Until it's been done, it's just conjecture. And vaporizing Bobby =/= victory.

He can do it. I don't have time to search for and post the scan, but you can ask anyone here knowledgeable on Bobby and they will say the same thing.

Anyway, this fight ends in a stalemate like the one below.

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/black-adam-vs-iceman-636900/?page=2

@spiderbuck: He can't do it against superman,for reasons stated by

@spiderbuck: @jmarshmallow: in new 52 superman has travelled hundreds of times the speed of light and has benched the weight of the earth for five days straight. Hes pretty beast. Hes gone from the sun back to earth to one shot someone before they could finish their sentence.

Last i checked supermans a hero hes not gonna go around planet busting for fun. He says he can and warns kara that they can do it with ease......... Its not even a question for them at full power..... Clark holding back not wanting to kill a guy punched him so hard the shock wave was felt on the watchtower. He easily survived being smacked to the moon putting a huge crack in it........ But again he can see the entire molecular spectrum and with his heat vision kill any trace of bobby so he could never reform.

The amount of stupidity in these comments. Superman Murder stomps like it was nothing this fight is over in 3 seconds in both rounds.

Iceman transfers his consciousness into the land. Since is Antarctica. So Superman HVing him wont do much IMO.

@ghostravage: So Iceman pretty much becomes a bit of scenery. Superman proceeds to heat vision everything for hundreds of miles.

Why does this make me think of disaster porn and the MOS movie?

@risingbean: Doesn't Evaporated water still water? Doesn't Bobby transfer his consciousness to anything that has water? If so, that wont do anything either...

flagged. so cut it out.

Iceman round 1 superman round 2

@ghostravage: Maybe you are right. Maybe you can't take out all of the moisture from this particular environment. It still comes down to stalemate. Except in round 2 where Superman could break the planet down (over time if he has to) and chucks it bit by bit into the sun.

Yes.this. It comes to a stalemate. Iceman's attacks wouldn't be able to take down Superman,and Superman's attacks will all be completely futile against Ice Man being that Ice Man. Not just because Ice Man can reform,but hell,the guy is omega level. But his attacks may not be sufficient to take down Superman,but same goes for Superman.

I mean,seriously,the sheer amount of ignorance and fanboyism. For example,I see people that claim "Superman can just melt him and he's dead,STOMP" or "Superman obliterate stomps him in seconds and shatters him into gazillions of piecez".

I mean,either it's an underestimation of Iceman or complete ignorance of him. I think that many of you think that all he can do is throw iceballs. Anyway,as said,stalemate. All of Iceman's attacks will not take down Superman,and all of Superman's attacks will be useless against Iceman and basically done in vain.

@cameron83: I know Iceman at his fullest potential has means to be a badass. It's just that I don't feel he is on Superman's level. The guy can use heat vision that gets so hot I would almost think it can take the humidity out of the area.

Except for maybe Antarctica. But a morals off Superman should be able to pretty much pick up mountains worth of landmass and chuck them into the sun.

Iceman shouldn't be coming back from that. It might take awhile, but without morals and somebody who can stop him (and Iceman can't) Superman is akin to a force of nature. A force of nature that actively wants to destroy you.

stalemate

No he's not, he can be knockout.

@spiderbuck: Superman murder stomps this is a serious mismatch

Iceman could win if he played his cards right, but I believe Superman would win 6/10 times

I think that,at his fullest potential,Iceman still won't be able to take down Superman.Perhaps hurt him,but not take him out.

Also,Iceman can draw Humidity from basically anywhere on the Earth. He basically has an almost unlimited supply. But I don't think that Superman's heat vision would work with Iceman because Iceman can basically stop heat-based powers from working,basically turning them off.

When you say that you don't feel Iceman is on Superman's level,I have to say one thing:

I love Iceman. I also love Superman. Iceman is one of the most powerful Xmen,HOWEVER he is not on Superman's level (as you said). I mean,this is Superman we are talking about. While Iceman is INCREDIBLY powerful,I don't believe he is on Superman's level,as you said.

I mean,I think that the only way Iceman can actually kill Superman is to freeze his insides,but Superman basically has the power to destroy planets.

I mean,physical attacks will basically be useless against Bobby (even Scarlet Spider broke his entire body and he reformed back.I mean,it kinda shows that Super Strength or not that it won't really affect him) since he will obviously reform and he can easily do so as long as there is a planet,but Superman is basically a guy who can destroy planets,which as you stated,he can do in round 2.

So it's either a stalemate or tie (as in,Iceman wins with Morals,Iceman loses with Morals,1-1)

I mean,I love both marvel/dc equally,but this IS Superman we are talking about.

Just my opinion :)

EDIT:

WHY THE F*CK DOES THIS THING KEEP RECONFIGURING THAT WAY.

It should be stacked

Round 1: Going with Superman.

Round 2: Reading through the comments, a few people are saying stalemate due to Iceman being able to reform/transfer his consciousness. I've got a possible outcome that I'm not entirely sure about. New 52 Supes has stated that his eyes emit all kinds of radiation (not just heat), he's been shown to create x-rays, microwaves (Action Superman #2) and gamma radiation (Superman Unchained #1) that have destroyed equipment. Don't certain types (or radiation in general) of radiation destroy DNA? If Iceman constantly reforms or is surviving in the environment, and since Superman is bloodlusted, couldn't he just crank up the intensity and AOE (area of effect) an entire area with all types of radiation and eventually get a win? Just a thought.

Its not a stalemate sorry i dont like to do this things but iceman will lose no matter what (bold afirmation) he cant hurt sups. sups cant kill you(a think) but in the long run iceman you get tired first, and be ko by sups, he cant keep reforming, thats that, he's very powerfull, but without kriptonite or red sun, he'll lose

Superman

Idk. SM I guess.

If iceman turns into vapor, can't superman just inhale him with his super breath?

Morals on, I'm not sure with the whole "moisture-sucking-out" thing and the "reforming-Antarctica" thing, but morals off is a different story. Superman has been shown to fly at lightspeed (if not faster) during Red Hood ATO (pluto to earth in 2 mins or less), so why not just fly through the Earth's core going faster than light? Pretty sure that's game over for Iceman.

@hart7668: Yeah flying is an auto win for sure... -.-

Superman.

1.) Going with Superman. With morals in play Bobby won't go immediately for his heavy hits, he works his way up to those based on the level of perceived threat. I think Superman will KO him before Bobby gets to that point.

2.) Stalemate. I don't think Superman could put down Bobby with him having an entire continent as a power source and using all his abilities to the fullest straight away, but I don't think anything Bobby can do can put down Superman either.

When has Iceman showed any weaknesses about radiation... It doesn't matter Superman can irradiate all kinds of radiation... Iceman is not going to fall for that. Actually i say this is stalemate in all scenarios because of them fighting in Antarctica... If not... Then Superman should take it. As for this battle, it actually benefits Iceman in the scenario....

Does Astonishing X-Men 64/65 change any opinions in here?

Iceman