I'm Ben will turn into Atomic-X the alien from the Biomnitrix. He'll use his ability to teleport and go to the Plumber facility in Ben 10,000's timeline. When doing so he'll collect the Anihilargenesistoriafimiaorgost. A doomsday device that can destroy universes.
Ben instantly turns into Clockwork. Clockwork will use his ability to slow time down as you can see here:
(14:00) While combined with his speed perk he should be much faster than anyone. (Notice when he touched something it sped up with him)
And ben also use the biomnitrix. The biomnitrix gives him the ability to combine 2 aliens. He'll also combine with Feedback. Using the Anihilaarg he'll redirect the attack like this:
Blasting you guys with a force that can destroy a universe.
@batman3000: @krleavenger: @revan2424: Alright then:
Most people already know the Hulk and I genuinely doubt a solid intro is needed, so here's a basic quote to sum up the Jade Giant:
"Caught in the blast of gamma radiation, brilliant scientist Bruce Banner is cursed to transform in times of stress into the living engine of destruction known as The Incredible Hulk."
What did this immense amount of gamma radiation mean for "Puny Banner?" It granted him the following special
(C/Pd from an old debate of mine)
I can't believe he's really trying to bring the freaking Anihilaarg to the battle.lol
I can, and I will.
I can't believe he's really trying to bring the freaking Anihilaarg to the battle.lol
I can, and I will.
Nah, the plan you posted here has more holes than Spongebob.
I don't really want to get into counters just yet I'll save that for later.
I'm feeling lazy so for now I'll give you guys this xD
Fairly brief but I wanted to only cover the things that would aid Billy in this fight and work off of there. Now I won't say Billy has the strength advantage at this point in the debate however when we go deeper into this debate I will identify more of Shazam's advantages. What to expect next post.
-Magic and it's role here
-More stats (namely durability)
-Fights with established fighters
- And of course counters
And it's finally here. Time to use the all powerful former SHIELD Agents and a member of most powerful team of Super Heroes in the Cosmos, the Annihilators. I know that only hardcore fans of Marvel Cosmology are familiar with Wendell's character. And those people are rare to see on Vine and I don't think most voters nor my fellow debaters are aware of his history. So let me give you some info on him.
Actually I think the best way to introduce the character is to give you his bio from one of Marvel Guidebooks.
As you can see, it is more like you are reading someone's file about Wendell. That is pretty much his story and you have more info on him.
Wendell's powers are coming from Quantum Bands, making Wendell one of the most powerful heroes in the Marvel Universe, on the same level as Silver Surfer actually. Here is a more detailed explanation on how Quantum Bands work and what they can actually do.
Thanks to my friend @blackestnight93 who organized this tourney, he allowed me to use feats from Wendell when he was a being of pure energy. Wendell did not have Quantum Bands at the time and was not as nearly as powerful as he is with them but he has some powers that will come in handy, and I am allowed to use both feats, with Quantum Bands and in his Energy Form.
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I know my teammate uses the most powerful Hulk ever. Of course, that Hulk unleashes powerful Gamma energy burst that desinegrates everything it's path and is a planetary thread. I will let @supremegeneration: talk about it as I am not sure how well your team can tank it. Still even tho Hulk is on my side, Gamma Burst will attack Wendell as well. Luckily for me, Wendell tanked way worse that that. Like when his constructs tanked blasts from Servitors without any damage. Those same weapons could hurt Thor pretty badly.
But this is not just there to prove Wendell's own teammate will hurt him. It is also here to prove how your team wont do shit to Quasar. Let me show you even more impressive feat, like when he tanked solar blast with the same size as medium yellow star.
To make this even more impressive, he did not only tank it. He, how should I say, "no-sell it". And this is during his earlier days when he was less experienced in using his powers. Now let's look at Wendell's fight with one and only Silver Surfer, the most powerful Herald of Galactus himself. The context is this fight will bring the balance between Order and Chaos and while Wendell was confused trying to figure out should he win or lose, Surfer was ready to go all out on him without jobbing or holding back (although not bloodlusted).
And they were pretty even even tho Wendell wasn't really fighting as effectively as Surfer. Still he had enough damage output to hurt Surfer. And in chase you don't know, Surfer doesn't even feel Super Novas. If you want I will post scans of Surfer's durability but here, clearly they are giving problems to each other and this is durability feat as well. Surfer was fighting a lot of Heralds in his carrier and some of them destroyed Stars and Surfer still defeated them and could hurt them with his energy projection. Yet Wendell can tank is energy attacks without any damage (although he could still feel them). Now I'm not gonna lie, Wendell was defeated. BUT, the only reason why is because he find out that Chaos is becoming stronger while Order is becoming weaker and the source of it is Wendell, so to keep the balance of the Universe, "balanced", he allowed Surfer to beat him, so it is a non factor really.
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Now that you know how much damage Wendell can tank as well as how much he can dish out, let's get into the argument. I don't want to mention Wendell's massive versatility until I get into counters. With that being said, let's get into the actual argument.
I'm Ben will turn into Atomic-X the alien from the Biomnitrix. He'll use his ability to teleport and go to the Plumber facility in Ben 10,000's timeline. When doing so he'll collect the Anihilargenesistoriafimiaorgost. A doomsday device that can destroy universes.
As my teammate said, he has basic knowledge. Why would Ben take such a weapon? Also normally I would believe you but based on some flaws I see in this statement, I would actually prefer to see proof that Ben can actually use that weapon. Does Plumber facility even has it? I think you should prove it because based on a video you posted, it does not look like it belongs to the Plumbers. Even if you prove it, I still don't see the reason why Ben would bring such a destructive weapon against people he does not even know about. He has basic knowledge. I guess basic is enough to know World Breaker is a planet buster but Wendell, what could he know about Wendell? He is not that obvious. He is energy manipulator. Even if Ben will bring it, it does not look like a Doomsday device to me. Actually it looks like a device that creates Universes. And I know, creating something is way more impressive than destroying it (logically) but does it mean it has that damage output? To destroy the Universe? Because that explosion wasn't even on nuclear level and one of Ben's aliens I don't recognize with the combination of other aliens or whatever, contained it long enough to redirect it as an attack. I need some evidence to prove it can destroy the Universe, why Ben would bring it and can he even use it. But let's say all of this is true. It wont do him any good. Wendell has one weapon that could counter pretty much everything.
That's right. There is a point in time when his friend Richard Rider used Quantum Bands. At that time Wendell was in his Energy Form (which I can use). Rich encountered Ego The Living Planet. More Powerful than any Herald, including Surfer and Quasar. So, Wendell told Rich how to defeat it. How? He just knew it. Plain simple.
In fact, I am certain Wendell will actually know what every alien Ben has is capable of which will allow him to counter it in some way. Look at Richard for example who is not very experienced with Quantum Bands yet he still created an army of duplicates of himself using Band's ability to create constructs. Yay, Larfleeze style. Even going as far as to make them powerful enough to distract Ego who is not only durable but has, as Wendell himself stated, better Cosmic Awareness than Wendell.
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So Wendell knows your weapon can destroy the Universe. What will he do about it? Well there is more stuff he can do. He is a former SHIELD Agent. Not only he has combat experience but he has experience with Universal Threats. He fought forces of the Cancerverse, Thanos with Infinity Gauntlet, Annihilation wave...and more. And he died only once (LMAO). But let me be more accurate. Well one of the stuff he can do is just kill Ben before he activates his weapon. Maybe just project his constructs into his brain?
It does not have to kill Ben. It can just knock him out. And that is only one way Wendell can take down Ben. He can just use his massive energy projection. I don't believe any alien Ben has ever tanked a super nova, even less a force that can hurt people who no-sell Super Novas like Silver Surfer.
Another counter for your "Universal Busting weapon" is to BFR your weapon into the Quantum Zone or any other place in the Universe.
Here you actually see him using BFR. I am pretty sure I am allowed to BFR your weapon. Wendell can use his massive speed with the combination of Cosmic Awareness and Teleportation to BFR it in Quantum Zone or another Universe. Or sent himself into another Universe as well as the Hulk if BFR is not allowed (if you want I can post scans of Wendell doing it), to avoid the attack and then come back easily. His energy tracking is top tier. He could even track Oblivion.
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Also unless Atomic-X doesn't have any ability that comes to the close of level of Alien X (as he is 50% Alien X) you are not allowed to use him.
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Ben instantly turns into Clockwork. Clockwork will use his ability to slow time down as you can see here:
Slow down time? Mate that ability would be effective if it is actually impressive. That ability isn't gonna slow down Wendell considering the fact how that ability does not operate on any level close to being impressive when your up against team of powerhouses like these. Sorry for my harsh words but Ben is not slowing time that much, at all. Wendell on the other hand operates on span of Nanosecond which is largest speed you can ask for if you don't want to go to Barry Allen/Wally West Levels.
It may slow him down by 0. something% but considering the fact that falling objects are still clearly moving, I don't think this way Ben will be any faster than MCU Quicksilver.
(14:00) While combined with his speed perk he should be much faster than anyone. (Notice when he touched something it sped up with him)
Again not really. World Breaker has light speed perk and anyone who operates on the level of nanoseconds as light travels one foot per nanosecond and Wendell can already change his body structure in that time period from energy into matter as you can see above.
And ben also use the biomnitrix. The biomnitrix gives him the ability to combine 2 aliens. He'll also combine with Feedback. Using the Anihilaarg he'll redirect the attack like this: Blasting you guys with a force that can destroy a universe.
This post is already to long so I'll get into why none of your energy attacks or abilities will work against Quasar on my next post. Unless of course, they are Galaxy Level which I doubt they are. And you still have to provide some evidence for your point.
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@batman3000: Hey mate, nice seeing you using a powerhouse for once LMAO. Anyway let's do this. I will counter some of your scans but mostly I wont post any feats for Wendell (maybe one or two) but you want to see what Wendell is capable of, read everything I posted above. So, let's see what DC's Earth's Mightiest Mortal has to offer against Marvel's Protector of the Universe.
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Beats on a monster who had absorbed the power of Superman, Aquaman, Elongated Man and The Martian Manhunter.
I am pretty sure none of these characters were as powerful then as they are in later years of Post-Crisis continuity. Espeically Superman who has gone through two upgrades in power since his death and based on the art, this happened before. Anyway, it is a high end feat in my opinion and I don't think Shazam is as strong as the MMH, even less MMH + Superman + Aquaman + Elongated Man.
Holds his own against Superman in an arm wrestle at 1/3 power. Eventually Clark wins.
I don't remember Superman ever lifting the planet on his own. His best planetary feat is holding it with Hal Jordan but that is after his training with Mongul which happened long after his death. That Superman never preformed a planetary feat of strength and considering that his Post-Two Upgrades Version could not preform one on his own, I don't see that feat being that impressive. Even if Shazam lost 66.7% of his power.
Punches so hard he mistakenly creates a black hole.
I have two problems with that scan. One, how could I calculate it? If I can't that is just one of those crazy feats with zero context and explanation, like Superman closing reality hole with heat vision or Hercules lifting Heavens. Two, it's not canon. I don't remember the name of the story but I know it is not canon. I will try to find evidence later but still even if it is, we can't calculate that feat and Shazam never consistently punched so hard to create a black hole.
Keeps up with Fire, Wonder Woman, Doctor Fate and Guy Gardner
Impressive feat but it is travelling speed. It wont be very useful here is my opinion. Besides, Wendell can travel much faster than light and enter in hyperspace which is something I don't think Shazam can do. Not that it matters either way but for the sake of the argument here is Wendell saying how he just came back from Hyperspace.
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Keeps up with Flash
Ok I see it is another travel speed feat but it is impressive I guess considering the fact that had a conversation plus they were changing directions very fast. The problem is, at the time this comic came out, Wally was afraid of replacing Barry and restrained himself and his speed. He was holding back a lot and I don't remember him ever going faster than Super Sonic until Mark Waid took over the series and introduced us to the Speed Force. Thing is, this scan actually shows us that Shazam can fly at Super Sonic speeds and easily change direction.
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I'm not gonna get into why I think Quasar beats Shazam because you yourself said that you only wanted to give us an idea on how powerful Shazam is. Thing is, I have problems with scans you posted for reasons mentioned above but I'm ready for you to prove me wrong. However you will have to check out my scans above and counter them to prove Billy has a chance against Wendell. With that being said...
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