"This isn't a comic battle where you can factor in speed and strategy. In the animal kingdom, it's very simple: Bigger wins. "
Thats actually a great point...I just wanted to see how the grizzly would do because its my favorite animal, and put it up against one of the perfectly physically designed predators there is.
The Short faced bear, which was bigger than the modern grizzly bear, and the American Lion, which is much more massive than the modern lion, fought in the ice age. The Short faced bear typically won due to it's power.
"The Short faced bear, which was bigger than the modern grizzly bear, and the American Lion, which is much more massive than the modern lion, fought in the ice age. The Short faced bear typically won due to it's power. "
The Short Faced bear could in fact keep up with the American cheetah, which was actually a really fast puma but I digress. It could run at nearly 60 miles per hour, just about fast enough to catch the american cheetah/really fricken fast puma and kill it. It was the dominant predator of North America during the Pleistocene, only one predator was greater than it, Megatherium, the Giant Ground Sloth, a massive five-fourteen ton omnivore that would drive an entire pride of smilodons or american lions away from a kill and could in fact kill a small pride of either animal and could kill the short faced bear with one blow. Even though the bear could grow over one ton.
The puma is also the Cougar/Mountain Lion too right? Cause im pretty sure I saw a special where that thing can run 100km/h through ruff terrain which no easy feat.
The American cheetah was bigger than the African one, but the European Giant cheetah was bigger than it, it was about in between the two in speed, with the African cheetah going at 80 miles per hour, the american cheetah at 70, and the european giant cheetah at 60.
The puma is also the Cougar/Mountain Lion too right? Cause im pretty sure I saw a special where that thing can run 100km/h through ruff terrain which no easy feat.
The puma is also the Cougar/Mountain Lion too right? Cause im pretty sure I saw a special where that thing can run 100km/h through ruff terrain which no easy feat.
The short faced bear could go so fast because compared to a grizzly bear, it had much longer legs for it's size and was also better built for speed. The biggest bear by mass was Ursus Martimus Tyrannus, a super polar bear that could reach to perhaps, one and a half or even two tons.
^^^^Holy crap dude, thats so nuts.....bears certainly did retain the hugeness of their ancestors; after a polar bear is the biggest land predator in the world.
It would make our ancestors wet themselves in terror, because running away is not going to work on it. He could probably kill a modern day lion with one hard blow.
Even Ursus martimus tyrannus and the Short faced bear however, were nothing before Andrewsarchus, a one to three ton mammalian carnivore, who's descendants were the goats. But it could grow to the size of a god damned hippo.
"It would make our ancestors wet themselves in terror, because running away is not going to work on it. He could probably kill a modern day lion with one hard blow. "
I'd say, sure we can't even run away from todays bears lol. Sometimes I think about how much in trouble we would be if we only had the brain of an average animal in the animal kingdom.....no guns, knives etc. But than we probably would have evolved into a more Gorilla type creature. But seriously, we have no phsical defenses against animals...not fangs or claw, venom etc.
Btw between a silver back gorilla and grizzly bear, who do u think would take it?
Usually the Bear will destroy the Lion, larger mass, the bear has longer claws, better at soaking damage, better at brawling and surviving by themselves, the bear has a thicker coat and because the bear eats both plant and animal it usually has high energy reserves while the Lions typically go through periods of starvation of their prey is not nearby and their girls have not caught a tasty meal so they are rarely at peak strength. Lions are also typically lazy where as the smaller female Lion has better hunting and fighting skill
The only time the Cat usually kicks the bears ass is in places like India, China and Russia and that's because they got Tigers, which is a far more ferocious and dangerous creature than a Lion The Siberian Tiger is 700 lbs of pure muscle and they are know to attack anything Look at this Tiger's crazy agility
I think the only Bear that would own the Siberian Tiger is the Polar Bear
@AtPhantom said:
" Bigger wins. "
not always, Black Bear at 400 lb have taken out 1600 lb Moose and 300lb lions have taken down 2000 lb Water Buffalo and a Pride of Lions has taken on even an Elephant
The Bear wins in this case but bigger is not always better, how else does the wolf pack dispatch a Bear?
according to the op this is a male lion not a female lion protecting the cubs, a male lion would protect their territory and females against other male lions and other threats but they are not stupid to mess with a full grown grizzly bear
" Usually the Bear will destroy the Lion, larger mass, the bear has longer claws, better at soaking damage, better at brawling and surviving by themselves, the bear has a thicker coat and because the bear eats both plant and animal it usually has high energy reserves while the Lions typically go through periods of starvation of their prey is not nearby and their girls have not caught a tasty meal so they are rarely at peak strength. Lions are also typically lazy where as the smaller female Lion has better hunting and fighting skill
The only time the Cat usually kicks the bears ass is in places like India, China and Russia and that's because they got Tigers, which is a far more ferocious and dangerous creature than a Lion The Siberian Tiger is 700 lbs of pure muscle and they are know to attack anything Look at this Tiger's crazy agility
I think the only Bear that would own the Siberian Tiger is the Polar Bear
@AtPhantom said:
" Bigger wins. "
not always, Black Bear at 400 lb have taken out 1600 lb Moose and 300lb lions have taken down 2000 lb Water Buffalo and a Pride of Lions has taken on even an Elephant The Bear wins in this case but bigger is not always better, how else does the wolf pack dispatch a Bear? "
Tyrannosaurus rex>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lions.
Also, a bear killed two fully grown tigers before they could really hurt him in russia.
" Also, a bear killed two fully grown tigers before they could really hurt him in russia. "
I doubt it
A Tiger is much quicker than a Bear, and quicker than a Lion and much more agile, it almost seems implausible that a Bear would hunt a Siberian Tiger in fact the opposite is true according to a nature expert
" Also, a bear killed two fully grown tigers before they could really hurt him in russia. "
I doubt it
A Tiger is much quicker than a Bear, and quicker than a Lion and much more agile, it almost seems implausible that a Bear would hunt a Siberian Tiger in fact the opposite is true according to a nature expert
" Also, a bear killed two fully grown tigers before they could really hurt him in russia. "
I doubt it
A Tiger is much quicker than a Bear, and quicker than a Lion and much more agile, it almost seems implausible that a Bear would hunt a Siberian Tiger in fact the opposite is true according to a nature expert
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it is actually true, in the the siberian tiger does run into asain brown bears time to time in winter months prior to the bears going into hybernation and the bears which are also scavangers do attack tigers to steal their prey, it happens pretty frequently in asia
Why are you linking to the speed race forum Dreadnaught ? All I see is a bunch of crap posted by a net troll, about illegal pit fights with Bears and Dogs and sometimes Cats its a bunch of text with no proof at all. All it is showing is a write up on something that happened in the 18th and 19th Century, you might as well start talking about a fight Huckleberry Finn and RobinHood had in the Roman Gladiator Arena for all I care about that BS
You know there is footage of lots of this stuff in old 1930s and 1940s movies, where people didn't give a damn about animal cruelty Footage is far more credible than some txt wrote by a troll on a website
btw a fight in the wild, a Lion would not be in confinement to a cage, putting a pack of Dogs or Lion against a Bear in a Cage is like putting a kickboxer against a Sumo wrestler while locked inside a Phone Box, its dumb and proves nothing and depraved illegal pit fights like that only made gangsters richer
Dogs have beaten Grizzly bears in the wild, the Bear fails the Dog wins
I still think the Male Lion is weaker because their temperment is lazy why is the Dog superior to the Bear? it is smarter, it is quicker and it would be able to move around and use its agility
Siberian Tigers are monsters, they have killed Bears, this is a documented fact
" Why are you linking to the speed race forum Dreadnaught ? All I see is a bunch of crap posted by a net troll, about illegal pit fights with Bears and Dogs and sometimes Cats its a bunch of text with no proof at all. All it is showing is a write up on something that happened in the 18th and 19th Century, you might as well start talking about a fight Huckleberry Finn and RobinHood had in the Roman Gladiator Arena for all I care about that BS You know there is footage of lots of this stuff in old 1930s and 1940s movies, where people didn't give a damn about animal cruelty Footage is far more credible than some txt wrote by a troll on a website btw a fight in the wild, a Lion would not be in confinement to a cage, putting a pack of Dogs or Lion against a Bear in a Cage is like putting a kickboxer against a Sumo wrestler while locked inside a Phone Box, its dumb and proves nothing and depraved illegal pit fights like that only made gangsters richer Dogs have beaten Grizzly bears in the wild, the Bear fails the Dog wins I still think the Male Lion is weaker because their temperment is lazywhy is the Dog superior to the Bear? it is smarter, it is quicker and it would be able to move around and use its agility Siberian Tigers are monsters, they have killed Bears, this is a documented fact "
"And as someone with a bachelor's degree in zoology, I think I'm more qualified than you are. "
That really helps! I'm actually planning to become a zoologist myself! I'm not sure what specfic animal I want to study, but I know its going to be some sort of animal. I'm thinking grizzlies or gorillas simply because everytime I go to a zoo that has these, I spend the most time there...I could sit there for hours on end just watching them.
The funny thing about Smilodon was that it's skull was so fragile that a human could knock them out with a good hit to the head. That is if you got past their massively strong paws. Also, their bite force can be exceeded by humans, and their teeth can be broken by struggling prey easily. And once they lose their teeth, they are gone forever. If you hit it in the head with a hammer, you'd probably break it's skull.
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