To death or ko. Team 1 start at SS4 they can do the fusion dance. Takes place in Asgard, Asgard is empty. No BFR. No prep. Morals off. All bloodlust. No mind rape/control or telepathy. No gems, heart of the universe or any other weapons.
Goku & Vegeta vs Thanos & Darkseid
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I really don't understand why people insist on using SSJ4 Gogeta in battles; the character appeared in precisely 1 episode for about 10 minutes, and literally has less feats than Dr. Manhattan. But I don't think it matters here. Thanos might be enough by himself because of his TP. And I don't think anybody is going to be convinced that a character with less feats than Dr. Manhattan can beat Darkseid.
@Qpzmg said:
I still think team 1.
Right... You created a matchup where you thought the DBZ characters would win easily. And then when you realized that both Thanos & Darkseid have telepathy, you changed the OP to handicap them. And then when people pointed out that Thanos & Darseid also have energy and matter manipulation you still think team 1 will win?
@Qpzmg: Darkseid would erase team 1 from existence with his Omega Beams. Or he could use his omega effect and send them through infinite realities, each worse than the previous, until they are driven insane and then he would kill them. After that he would resurrect them as pawns for his amusement. Actually Darkseid would find them so beneath him, that he would most likely not be present in the fight. Leaving the job to be done by one of his avatars or for shits and giggles, Darkseid could animate a giant floating head of himself which would kill Team 1.
There are literally a multitude of ways Darkseid could solo them without much effort, let alone needing Thanos' help.
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
Power is not the deciding factor.
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
Power is not the deciding factor.
Captain Atom alone can solo the entire DBZ universe.
Living Tribunal is omniscient, he know everything there is to know, past, present, future, living outside space and time, an true abstract, and can literally wish a reality away. He's an abstract, so he's totally immune to everything physical and mystical in nature There's nothing anyone in DBZ universe can do.
I don't think even experienced pro-DBZ debaters here will agree with you, and I could give you their names.
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
Power is not the deciding factor.
Captain Atom alone can solo the entire DBZ universe.
Living Tribunal is omniscient, he know everything there is to know, past, present, future, living outside space and time, an true abstract, and can literally wish a reality away. He's an abstract, so he's totally immune to everything physical and mystical in nature There's nothing anyone in DBZ universe can do.
I don't think even experienced pro-DBZ debaters here will agree with you, and I could give you their names.
Anyone in DBZ can solo the entire marvel verse.
Lt is omniscient only in marvel multiverse.
he is immune to everything? I remember Protege and HOTU curbstomped him.
And it is not the topic of this thread. I don't want to debate in this topic. I know that comic characters are more powerful but I know goku can defeat them. So DON'T REPLY BACK
If superman's and hulk's fans think that they can defeat ToAA and Presence then why not I.
@ghostsuck said:
@Metalslash: thanos is immortal
So is fat buu. Goku defeated buu.
Don't post any comment in DB threads. Because you don't know anything about them you sucker.
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
Power is not the deciding factor.
Captain Atom alone can solo the entire DBZ universe.
Living Tribunal is omniscient, he know everything there is to know, past, present, future, living outside space and time, an true abstract, and can literally wish a reality away. He's an abstract, so he's totally immune to everything physical and mystical in nature There's nothing anyone in DBZ universe can do.
I don't think even experienced pro-DBZ debaters here will agree with you, and I could give you their names.
Anyone in DBZ can solo the entire marvel verse.
Lt is omniscient only in marvel multiverse.
he is immune to everything? I remember Protege and HOTU curbstomped him.
And it is not the topic of this thread. I don't want to debate in this topic. I know that comic characters are more powerful but I know goku can defeat them. So DON'T REPLY BACK
If superman's and hulk's fans think that they can defeat ToAA and Presence then why not I.
No DBZ characters can solo even one Marvel universe, there're a lot of abstract being, and every characters in DBZ are physical. No only that, there're too many reality warpers and top-tier energy manipulators that can easily destroy Goku.
Wrong, in neutral universe, every characters have access to their power, if "LT is omniscient only in Marvel Multiverse" is valid, then Flash will loose even to street levelers. Even if you cut LT's
Protege and HOTU is an abstract, where Protege and Living Tribunal is retconned so this argument is no longer valid. HOTU is the TOAA's power source, basically something that make you a second to God. Goku and Vegeta is not an abstract, and their power are just destructive, Living Tribunal can create an entire reality if he needed. You can't compare any DBZ characters to HOTU or Protege.
It's Hulk and Superman fanboys, and you're DBZ fanboys. Don't use Argumentum ad Hominem Tu Quoque again.
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
Power is not the deciding factor.
Captain Atom alone can solo the entire DBZ universe.
Living Tribunal is omniscient, he know everything there is to know, past, present, future, living outside space and time, an true abstract, and can literally wish a reality away. He's an abstract, so he's totally immune to everything physical and mystical in nature There's nothing anyone in DBZ universe can do.
I don't think even experienced pro-DBZ debaters here will agree with you, and I could give you their names.
Anyone in DBZ can solo the entire marvel verse.
Lt is omniscient only in marvel multiverse.
he is immune to everything? I remember Protege and HOTU curbstomped him.
And it is not the topic of this thread. I don't want to debate in this topic. I know that comic characters are more powerful but I know goku can defeat them. So DON'T REPLY BACK
If superman's and hulk's fans think that they can defeat ToAA and Presence then why not I.
No DBZ characters can solo even one Marvel universe, there're a lot of abstract being, and every characters in DBZ are physical. No only that, there're too many reality warpers and top-tier energy manipulators that can easily destroy Goku.
Wrong, in neutral universe, every characters have access to their power, if "LT is omniscient only in Marvel Multiverse" is valid, then Flash will loose even to street levelers. Even if you cut LT's
Protege and HOTU is an abstract, where Protege and Living Tribunal is retconned so this argument is no longer valid. HOTU is the TOAA's power source, basically something that make you a second to God. Goku and Vegeta is not an abstract, and their power are just destructive, Living Tribunal can create an entire reality if he needed. You can't compare any DBZ characters to HOTU or Protege.
It's Hulk and Superman fanboys, and you're DBZ fanboys. Don't use Argumentum ad Hominem Tu Quoque again.
I said DON'T REPLY BACK. Are you blind so that you can't read comments? I still say Goku solos.
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
Power is not the deciding factor.
Captain Atom alone can solo the entire DBZ universe.
Living Tribunal is omniscient, he know everything there is to know, past, present, future, living outside space and time, an true abstract, and can literally wish a reality away. He's an abstract, so he's totally immune to everything physical and mystical in nature There's nothing anyone in DBZ universe can do.
I don't think even experienced pro-DBZ debaters here will agree with you, and I could give you their names.
Anyone in DBZ can solo the entire marvel verse.
Lt is omniscient only in marvel multiverse.
he is immune to everything? I remember Protege and HOTU curbstomped him.
And it is not the topic of this thread. I don't want to debate in this topic. I know that comic characters are more powerful but I know goku can defeat them. So DON'T REPLY BACK
If superman's and hulk's fans think that they can defeat ToAA and Presence then why not I.
No DBZ characters can solo even one Marvel universe, there're a lot of abstract being, and every characters in DBZ are physical. No only that, there're too many reality warpers and top-tier energy manipulators that can easily destroy Goku.
Wrong, in neutral universe, every characters have access to their power, if "LT is omniscient only in Marvel Multiverse" is valid, then Flash will loose even to street levelers. Even if you cut LT's
Protege and HOTU is an abstract, where Protege and Living Tribunal is retconned so this argument is no longer valid. HOTU is the TOAA's power source, basically something that make you a second to God. Goku and Vegeta is not an abstract, and their power are just destructive, Living Tribunal can create an entire reality if he needed. You can't compare any DBZ characters to HOTU or Protege.
It's Hulk and Superman fanboys, and you're DBZ fanboys. Don't use Argumentum ad Hominem Tu Quoque again.
I said DON'T REPLY BACK. Are you blind so that you can't read comments? I still say Goku solos.
I'm not blind, you're trying to get away by leaving fanboy comment and not allowing other people to argue against it.
SlimJ87D and Mortein are very experienced users, and they're very knowledgeable in DBZ as well, check with them if they agree that any DBZ characters can solo DC/Marvel universes.
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@AngryHulks said:
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
Good luck trying to go up against Living Tribunal and Spectre, no one in DBZ possessed power of that magnitude.
Power is not the deciding factor.
Captain Atom alone can solo the entire DBZ universe.
Living Tribunal is omniscient, he know everything there is to know, past, present, future, living outside space and time, an true abstract, and can literally wish a reality away. He's an abstract, so he's totally immune to everything physical and mystical in nature There's nothing anyone in DBZ universe can do.
I don't think even experienced pro-DBZ debaters here will agree with you, and I could give you their names.
Anyone in DBZ can solo the entire marvel verse.
Lt is omniscient only in marvel multiverse.
he is immune to everything? I remember Protege and HOTU curbstomped him.
And it is not the topic of this thread. I don't want to debate in this topic. I know that comic characters are more powerful but I know goku can defeat them. So DON'T REPLY BACK
If superman's and hulk's fans think that they can defeat ToAA and Presence then why not I.
No DBZ characters can solo even one Marvel universe, there're a lot of abstract being, and every characters in DBZ are physical. No only that, there're too many reality warpers and top-tier energy manipulators that can easily destroy Goku.
Wrong, in neutral universe, every characters have access to their power, if "LT is omniscient only in Marvel Multiverse" is valid, then Flash will loose even to street levelers. Even if you cut LT's
Protege and HOTU is an abstract, where Protege and Living Tribunal is retconned so this argument is no longer valid. HOTU is the TOAA's power source, basically something that make you a second to God. Goku and Vegeta is not an abstract, and their power are just destructive, Living Tribunal can create an entire reality if he needed. You can't compare any DBZ characters to HOTU or Protege.
It's Hulk and Superman fanboys, and you're DBZ fanboys. Don't use Argumentum ad Hominem Tu Quoque again.
I said DON'T REPLY BACK. Are you blind so that you can't read comments? I still say Goku solos.
I'm not blind, you're trying to get away by leaving fanboy comment and not allowing other people to argue against it.
SlimJ87D and Mortein are very experienced users, and they're very knowledgeable in DBZ as well, check with them if they agree that any DBZ characters can solo DC/Marvel universes.
Yes I am DB fan. Probably biggest fan.
I won't debate with anyone because I know they won't understand my points. nor shall I believe that Goku can be defeated. So no point of debating. for example I proved in other thread that kid buu can easily beat ca supey and nobody was able to disprove me still nobody wants to believe.
@Metalslash said:
Yes I am DB fan. Probably biggest fan.
I won't debate with anyone because I know they won't understand my points. nor shall I believe that Goku can be defeated. So no point of debating. for example I proved in other thread that kid buu can easily beat ca supey and nobody was able to disprove me still nobody wants to believe.
I completely understand the fact that you're a fan of whatever you chose to be as we're all fanboys/girls of one particular character or another, but even you have to admit that signing up on a board and voicing your opinion and then barring anyone from replying to it is futile. Why become a member in the first place? If you intend to be a valuable member or taken at least have seriously you'll have to get over this.
@Evil Incarnate said:
@Metalslash said:
Yes I am DB fan. Probably biggest fan.
I won't debate with anyone because I know they won't understand my points. nor shall I believe that Goku can be defeated. So no point of debating. for example I proved in other thread that kid buu can easily beat ca supey and nobody was able to disprove me still nobody wants to believe.
I completely understand the fact that you're a fan of whatever you chose to be as we're all fanboys/girls of one particular character or another, but even you have to admit that signing up on a board and voicing your opinion and then barring anyone from replying to it is futile. Why become a member in the first place? If you intend to be a valuable member or taken at least have seriously you'll have to get over this.
I signed up for debating in threads like comic character vs other comic character or DB vs other DB character.
In threads including Db vs comic character, I just give my opinion. I don't debate unless I can completely prove it.
@Metalslash said:
@Evil Incarnate said:
@Metalslash said:
Yes I am DB fan. Probably biggest fan.
I won't debate with anyone because I know they won't understand my points. nor shall I believe that Goku can be defeated. So no point of debating. for example I proved in other thread that kid buu can easily beat ca supey and nobody was able to disprove me still nobody wants to believe.
I completely understand the fact that you're a fan of whatever you chose to be as we're all fanboys/girls of one particular character or another, but even you have to admit that signing up on a board and voicing your opinion and then barring anyone from replying to it is futile. Why become a member in the first place? If you intend to be a valuable member or taken at least have seriously you'll have to get over this.
I signed up for debating in threads like comic character vs other comic character or DB vs other DB character.
In threads including Db vs comic character, I just give my opinion. I don't debate unless I can completely prove it.
That for the most part is a responsible way to handle things. I would just try to avoid threads that will obviously cause unnecessary flame wars.
@logy5000 said:
@Metalslash: Anti-Monitor wouldn't break a sweat over DBZ.
just go to thread kid buu vs justice league and read my comments. I proved buu > ca supes. and we know ca supes > dark monitor > antimonitor
@Metalslash: The Anti-Monitor is multiversal level and can withstand multiversal level attacks. Being very generous, Buu is multi-galaxy level.
AM could arguably one-shot Thought Robot. (CA Superman.) Since he was severely damaged by attacks that aren't even close to multiversal.
@jonny126: I know I am right.
@logy5000 said:
@Metalslash: The Anti-Monitor is multiversal level and can withstand multiversal level attacks. Being very generous, Buu is multi-galaxy level.
AM could arguably one-shot Thought Robot. (CA Superman.) Since he was severely damaged by attacks that aren't even close to multiversal.
Till now I heared everybody said that dark monitor > antimonitor.
multiversal? so what? why don't you go to check my comments?
@Metalslash: Tell me. What will anybody in DBZ do against AM? Buu can't withstand a wall of anti-matter, nor a simple blast of his energy.
@logy5000: If I tell you that here then all posters will come to bite me though they won't be able to disprove me. so plz do as I said and If you don't want to do so then send me a pm.
@Metalslash: DBZ rarely if ever strayed beyond winning through pure might and are unable to deal with more unorthodox form's of taking out your opponent's. Possession, telepathy, transmutation, time travel, voodoo doll's, power mimic's, being teleported into the sun, energy drainer's that don't need to grab you etc
When they where turned into candy it was played for laugh's so they retained some power but it went against lore and other showing's in DB where the body is altered because the power is in the body.
Anti-Monitor is certainly capable of the highlighted.
@Metalslash said:
@Sethlol said:
Team 2 stomps the DBZ verse.
Goku stomps marvel , dc comic verse.
For one this isn't DBZ its DBGT which the characters have less feats and not cannon (not part of the DB Time Line)...
Secondly I am a DBZ fan but i know that Goku and Vegeta are totally outclassed here... Even DBZ feats have them outclassed let alone the GT universe (with less feats for example, Vegeta in Saiyan saga is a planet buster, No characters in DBGT ever display that feat).
Thanos could easily solo (teleportation and outthinking them easillyu), i do not know enough about Darkseid to add about him
Also... Since when was Manga Vs Comics Allowed?
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