Gilgamesh vs Accelerator

Rounds

Round 1

• Both are in character with zero knowledge and are at full cockiness.
• Gilgamesh is composite from the main three routes and Zero.
• Accelerator is composite but without any amps.

Round 2

• Both have full knowledge but are still in character.
• Gilgamesh is fully composite and at full power.
• Accelerator is fully composite and at full power.

Round 3

• Same as round 2, but both are bloodlusted.

All fights take place here..

Which hax smug anime character will take the win?!

My apologies to the Fate/Stay Night guys, I've been making a lot of threads using those characters lately.

Callouts

A Certain Magical Index:

@homicidalmaniac@pierpat@thitiki@killemall@sightlessreality@jacthripper@limitlessedge@parichithayerakala@khael

Fate/Stay Night (And it's spinoffs):

@joewell@blackestnight93:@joewell911@garrettmana@just_banter@kbm@jucaslucasa@zill0678@darth_wayne

Feats

• Gilgamesh Respect Thread.
• Accelerator Respect Thread.

Vectors and general overall better stats makes Accelerator take it with ease.

Accelerator all Rounds.

No amp then just lv 5 Accel, he gets stomped.

Bump!

Don't know anything about accelerator. But from what I can tell from the linked respect thread, he should beat Gilgamesh here.

@neongamewave: @katanalauncher: @homicidalmaniac: @blackestnight93: @Cypher0120: What about Ea?

@joewell911: dunno, not too much knowledge on accelerator

@blackestnight93:

Ea, if I`m not mistaken takes time to charge and Accelerator should be able to redirect it but what Accelerator could also do is reverse Gilgamesh`s blood flow, and take him out before he gets the chance to power up.

out of sheer curiosity, does Accelerator need to make any sort of physical contact to do this?

Not really, also Gilgamesh can be very arrogant (although Accelerator can be a bit overconfident sometimes) so he wouldn`t expect it or at least be able to counter it in time.

I know Gilgamesh can be arrogant in character (unless he's facing someone he respects, like Enkidu or F/Z Rider), but a bloodlusted Gilgamesh is dangerous. There's a reason why everyone remarks that he could have ended the war in F/SN in a single day.

But like I said, I don't know Accelerator at all. So he might have a counter even if Gilgamesh pulls out Ea. There's only been one thing to ever block enuma elish and that was an OP hax item.

Round 2 and 3 are clear stomps for Gilgamesh because of his Extra CCC version.

Round 1 probably goes to Accel cause Gilgamesh isn't going to use Ea.

Haxcelerator takes this with ease

@swagpack: Gilgamesh, even Extra CCC, isn't even half as powerful as you think he is. Out of curiosity what is it that gives you the impression he is so powerful? Besides defeating BB (who albeit was a reality warper of an unspecified but significant power level) as far as I remember he didn't do much to give him such status.

@blackestnight93: Accelerator is basically the manifestation of a Gilgamesh counter, If we said Gilgamesh is the 30-30 C'thun thats about to wreck you then Accelerator is the Misdirection secret that ends the game (I hope you play Hearthstone otherwise that didn't make sense).

@giliad_:

She was able to operate in a higher dimensional space and claimed that she could destroy the universe with ease. That claim was acknowledged by Gilgamesh and the protagonist which makes it legit.

Accelerator has vector control, which would work against some weapons, but not against Ea, Gae Bolg or similar weapons.

I get the Hearthstone reference.

Accelerator wins

I've never played Hearthstone, so I don't get the reference lol

Essentially, hes saying if they've got a OHKO, then you have the one option that makes them do it to themselves instead. Of course, the statement is a bit flawed, because any competent player would put out more minions on the field to better their odds.

@swagpack: You do have to bear in mind that this isn't a real universe, rather a digital one, and it is not actually a full size universe (at least not in the way that ours is) instead each area is an individual reality marble sustained by the Moon Cell. BB is an AI that IIRC became cancerous and started advancing eventually expressing a degree of control over these digital environments/universes making her essentially a reality warper within the Moon Cell. However for some as of yet unidentified reason, Gilagmesh was always an anomaly and difficult for the Moon Cell to deal with, BB did not possess the capability to erase Gilgamesh and Gilgamesh possessed Ea - which is of course able to crumble reality around it and reduce creation to nothingness.

BB did not possess a counter to Ea - very few things do actually - and her powers where not all that effective against Gilgamesh, this is more a testament to his destructive potential and unique unconventional existence in the Moon Cell but it doesn't mean he is actually on the level of a reality warper. Statistically, besides his Noble Phantasm, Gilgamesh was (similar to all other incarnations) among the lowest of Servants IIRC (especially considering for the most part he was weakened).

Main point being that the nature of the Moon Cell being digitally based and BB's powers centering around that fact, coupled with Gil's ambiguous immunity/resistance to her manipulation, means that it's all difficult to apply to a universe outside the Moon Cell.

I'm truly confused, people said Gilgamesh vs Fiamma was a close match and now this? Seriously?

@jacthripper: Yeah it's not really a viable strategy in game, I prefer to play it straight and safe... That's why I play a Yogg-Saron Mage ;)

Also you play Hearthstone? 1 v 1 me ;)

Kek RNGesus

I play Control Priest. What's your username?

Couldn't Gilgamesh open his gate of Babylon inside of Accelerator?

@inti117: Nope. Most he can do is try to hit Accelerator with is launch a weapon from a blind spot but that's not doing much.

Weapon spam from Gates of Babylon is useless, especially since Gil can't really use the powers of any of the weapons outside whatever passive effects they have which still needs to land on the opponent anyway.

A decently charged Ea will give Gil the win but with no way to hold Accelerator back, that's unlikely.

Accel takes this viaTKing his limbs off or bullrushing him and reversing all his blood and bio-electricity with a touch.

Spite. Gilgamesh slaps.

Round 1: Normal Gilgamesh bypasses his Vector Manipulation with Gae Bolg and one shots him (he can know how to use Gae Bolg and every NP via SNI).

Round 2: Fully composite Gilgamesh means CCC Gilgamesh, who is way above infinite multiversal (aka he blinks). Respect thread here: https://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/gen-discussion-1/gilgamesh-fateextra-ccc-respect-thread-1984736/

@giliad_ ^ Better reasoning than SwagPack's.

@zgtfreak: I feel like people lowball full power/composite Gil hard. Dude is already a beast with his insane amount of hax but I see people say that Gil is not even universal which is insane considering the solid amount of evidence towards proving he is leaps and bounds beyond that.

Good respect thread.

@lsoon23: Eh... 37 post... People are gonna accuse you of being my alt (has happened a few times).

Anyways, thanks. I plan to add more to the RT when I'm not lazy.

Accelerator can't redirect something that is made from a no-physical matter that's moving at mach 11. the brat dies at first round.

HOLY Godly Stomp by Gilgamesh. never compose gilgamesh. never

As zgtfreak said, Gae Bolg bypasses Accel's vector shield via reversing causalty.

CCC Gil is an unholy stomp.

Round 1: Accel shitstomps

Round 2: Gil shitstomps.

In round 1, Gilgamesh uses SNI to learn everything about his Accelerator and uses Fragarach.

In round 2, Gilgamesh collapses space around Accelerator and warps it into imaginary number space. Effectively deleting Accelerator out of existence.

Gilgamesh because he has more hax and reality wrapping abilities, also Fate is one of the most wonderful franchises to have ever existed. Toaru is also wonderful but Fate is a pure masterpiece in all aspects.

@syncroniam: you are one honest dude lol.

@syncroniam: If you like Fate, you'll like the older Nasuverse series even better, such as Tsukihime, Kara no Kyoukai, and Mahoutsukai no Yoru. They are better written.

Has Gilgamesh some haxnegating ability? If not, i don´t see him bypassing Accelerator his shields, unless he also has abilities that doesen´t produce a vector.

@caocao: Gae Bolg reverses causality to where the opponents heart has already been pierced. It has no vector do to its nature. People say he doesn't know how to use the ability, but he can learn it instantly via SNI granting him omniscience.

CCC Gilgamesh can just make vector manipulation non existent with Ten Crowns.

@caocao: he possesses all of human knowledge and experience as conceptual items, plus a few divine constructs. He's so hax he thinks an nigh omnipotent wish granting device is basically another cup that should be gathering dust in his treasury

@maiamaku: @caocao: @kanesada_kuji: Gilgamesh can't use Gae Bolg. He has the original template for Lancers spear with the thrown enchantment (once thrown it will always strike its target) but the causality-manipulation effect that Cu Chulainn uses is a technique developed by himself not something that Gilgamesh has access too. Same way he doesn't have Fake Assassins Noble Phantasm.

Being realistic Gilgamesh dies horribly. Outside of CCC Gilgamesh is horribly equipped to combat Accelerator and that's not considering his crippling character flaws. And Extra/CCC is really just blown out of the water but he could potentially defeat Accelerator but it is important to note that Accelerator can redirect semi-conceptual vectors. Notably teleportation which isn't exactly what we'll call a mechanical vector.

Gil quick attack into herself then death and Accel wins by accidentally

@pantheons-deity: Accelerator redirected teleprtation... you know nothing about To Aru.

On topic. Accel round 1. Gil probably solos most of the verse round 2.

@giliad_: Gilgamesh can't use Gae Bolg. He has the original template for Lancers spear with the thrown enchantment (once thrown it will always strike its target) but the causality-manipulation effect that Cu Chulainn uses is a technique developed by himself not something that Gilgamesh has access too. Same way he doesn't have Fake Assassins Noble Phantasm.

Actually, it's true that he can use SNI to learn how to use Gae Bolg easily.

CCC Gil one shots. There is no debate.

SNI has some poorly explained Clairvoyance capabilities but it neither grants omniscience nor omnipotence as its title would suggest. He displays enough clairvoyance to discern information on an opponent at a glance, has a level of precognition and intuitively chooses the most efficient tactics in a given situation but (to my knowledge) never displayed the ability to simply learn combat techniques at a whim. Had he, Gilgamesh would be the most skilled combatant among servants and as a Caster in Grand-Order he was explicitly even less capable than his Archer counterpart. Nasuverse has some extremely half-hearted and whimsical explanations for a lot of their lore. Taking it at face value or based purely on statements from the material booklets simply falls apart in practice.

@giliad_: We literally see him look at every move and outcome Rani would make in a game of Chess while SNI was restricted. In CCC he was skilled enough to trade blows with Moon Cell BB, who had the data and knowledge of Heroic Spirits, Divine Spirits, and the Moon Cell itself. He sees the events of entire timelines unfold as well. Learning how to use a mere NP should be child's play.

@zgtfreak: SNI isn't from CCC so his skill from there isn't relevant. Point being precognition (what Gil displayed) is not omniscience. He cannot and does not have the ability to learn whatever he wants on command. SNI does not grant him endless knowledge. You assuming learning he could learn another Servants noble phantasm is, as far as I can see, just assumption. I may be wrong but unless Gil has actually used SNI to do anything similar there's no reason to assume he can.

Can someone explain me SNI?