What do you mean that's not what he did at all? Based off of the amount of time elapsed (I used 5 minutes for a safe estimate. In reality the actual time elapsed between him destroying the world engine and him crashing Zod's ship was more so 2.5 minutes) and the distance he had to travel, he was moving at mach 185-385 in reality.
I mean the scene that he hit the mountain he wasn't going anywhere near that speed;
He hadn't even achieved true flight yet and IIRC hadn't even passed the sound barrier. At the moment of the impact he's been free-falling, he's well and truly subsonic in this scene. Nothing here to suggest he'd be okay after a throw from someone at QS's level of speed.
This video, which is about the most accurate out there, calculates his speed at about Mach 118. Seeing that QS did a little goofing and that there were moments at which he actually ran full speed (like when he ran inside the building at first.)
The video is cool but it's not close to accurate, he even admits this. The entire calculation is assumption on assumption on assumption.
The reality is Quicksilver made an explosion moving at roughly mach 10-20 appear motionless. Not only that but he managed to move so fast he appeared to be teleporting, while in this slow motion shot. That can't be achieved by being just over 5 times faster then the explosion. Mach 118 isn't just low it's outright impossible.
And this is assuming QS can find a surface hard enough to bring Superman to a complete halt when he hits it, so he could feel the full extent of the impact. I guarantee you there is nothing on Earth that hard.
The fact is that even if QS threw Superman full speed into something, based off of Superman's feats, he would honestly have no problem taking it.
If QS throws Supes into the ground at basically any speed (even the Mach 118 would work) he's going to be done. The mountain crash scene, wherein Clark clearly felt the impact, was subsonic.
If he felt that, then an impact at hundreds to thousands of times that speed would easily effect him (and that's being extremely generous given his feats). Even if we assume the Nuke feat is directly comparable it here it essentially killed him, probably not a good example of him being able to take this impact.
What do you mean that's not what he did at all? Based off of the amount of time elapsed (I used 5 minutes for a safe estimate. In reality the actual time elapsed between him destroying the world engine and him crashing Zod's ship was more so 2.5 minutes) and the distance he had to travel, he was moving at mach 185-385 in reality.
I mean the scene that he hit the mountain he wasn't going anywhere near that speed;
He hadn't even achieved true flight yet and IIRC hadn't even passed the sound barrier. At the moment of the impact he's been free-falling, he's well and truly subsonic in this scene. Nothing here to suggest he'd be okay after a throw from someone at QS's level of speed.
This video, which is about the most accurate out there, calculates his speed at about Mach 118. Seeing that QS did a little goofing and that there were moments at which he actually ran full speed (like when he ran inside the building at first.)
The video is cool but it's not close to accurate, he even admits this. The entire calculation is assumption on assumption on assumption.
The reality is Quicksilver made an explosion moving at roughly mach 10-20 appear motionless. Not only that but he managed to move so fast he appeared to be teleporting, while in this slow motion shot. That can't be achieved by being just over 5 times faster then the explosion. Mach 118 isn't just low it's outright impossible.
And this is assuming QS can find a surface hard enough to bring Superman to a complete halt when he hits it, so he could feel the full extent of the impact. I guarantee you there is nothing on Earth that hard.
The fact is that even if QS threw Superman full speed into something, based off of Superman's feats, he would honestly have no problem taking it.
If QS throws Supes into the ground at basically any speed (even the Mach 118 would work) he's going to be done. The mountain crash scene, wherein Clark clearly felt the impact, was subsonic.
If he felt that, then an impact at hundreds to thousands of times that speed would easily effect him (and that's being extremely generous given his feats). Even if we assume the Nuke feat is directly comparable it here it essentially killed him, probably not a good example of him being able to take this impact.
How can it be impossible? The guy in the vid literally covers everything needed to estimate the time taken; the distance covered and the amount of time to cover that distance. HE EVEN EXPLAINS HOW MUCH TIME NEEDED! You're arguing against MATH and SCIENCE! Like, wtf!?!? Do you have a better estimation? Because honestly his is the closest that we can come to.
I'm sick of explaining why Superman wasn't actually killed, or even KOed by the nuke, so instead I'll just post my explanation from my previous thread.
Ugh, no. First off, it was clear that Clark was still under the effects of kryptonite (this is why his cut had not healed), and as explained in a BvS Special edition video, DCEU kryptonite works by decaying cells AND forcing the stored solar energy out of Kryptonian cells, leaving them relatively weak. So what we have here is a weakened Superman vs a nuke.
Secondly, Superman was damaged by the RADIATION, not the blast. How do I know this? Simple. We know that Superman get's his power from solar radiation. However, under the effect of Kryptonite, that solar radiation is forced out of his body. Since it was night time and there was little to no solar radiation available, his cells grasped at the first energy source available, which was the ionizing radiation of the nuclear bomb, and not even the Man of Steel is impervious to ionizing radiation. This is what caused his skin to shrivel and his skin and hair to green. This is the exact way that Superman in tDKR was injured, and even New-52 Superman. However, I know he was not damaged by the blast. How do I know this? Simple. His suit was COMPLETELY unharmed (meaning that the blast didn't penetrate his bio-aura), his hair WAS COMPLETELY intact, and his body was fine (in the sense that he wasn't bleeding, had burn marks running up his body, and had limbs hanging off his torso). But most importantly, unlike DD who fell back to Earth because he was unable to fly and thus keep himself afloat, Superman did not, meaning that he HAD to be still conscious to be able to keep himself in space. Shoot, he even pushes himself ABOVE the Nuke cloud to reach the sunlight.
And before you say "oh he was pushed into space by the nuke" no, because Doomsday wasn't, and even if he was pushed into space, he would have been immediately brought back down by gravity.
Lastly, if he was TRULY dead, like when Zod got his necked snap, NO AMOUNT of solar radiation could have brought him back. Shoot, Snyder even stated a few days ago that Superman never was dead when he got stabbed by DD.
And besides the nuke scene, Superman flew into the Kryptonian ship, who flew through several buildings without loosing any speed OR being damaged at all (showing how dense it was), at mach 390 speeds.
Lets ALSO not forget the time where he and Zod fell ALL THE WAY FROM SPACE into the museum (at the height at which they fell, they reached a top speed of over mach 5) and were completely unphased, and just continued to fight.
The fact is that the first flight feat was an outlier in his durability. In fact, seeing as that was the FIRST TIME he's ever experienced anything like that (it was his first flight after all), the feat is irrelevant, seeing as he's gotten far more durable.
Also, does this look like the face of someone who is hurt?
As you can see, as he get's up, he's CLEARLY agonizing in pain *sarcasm*.
The fact is that it didn't even phase him. He's not hurt, he's not wincing, he doesn't even seem bothered by it at all. In fact, SECONDS LATER, he gives another go at it in which he's seen flying and smiling.
The fact is that if we ASSUME (and based off the calculations from the video, this is a HUGE assumption) that QS top speed is Mach 1,180, and he were to throw Superman at an object that would bring him to a complete halt (nothing like that exist, so this is a huge hypothetical question) that's STILL around 100,000 weaker than the bomb in which he wasn't even KOed.
HE EVEN EXPLAINS HOW MUCH TIME NEEDED! You're arguing against MATH and SCIENCE! Like, wtf!?!? Do you have a better estimation? Because honestly his is the closest that we can come to.
And it isn't remotely close at all. That's the point.
I'm not arguing against math and science because he doesn't know either. He tried to apply some logic to a situation and came up with an estimate that is utterly impossible and totally incompatible with what we saw on screen.
With regards to the rest of your post;
There is nothing to suggest he was under the effects of Kryptonite. Throughout his battle with Batman he recovered within minutes. Seriously, what are you basing that on? That he was KO'd?
He's never faced anything close to that powerful, there's literally nothing to suggest he was;
It's fan fiction to justify what was already an extremely impressive feat, why do you feel the need to bastardize it? Likewise there is literally nothing to suggest he was KO'd by anything other then the Nuke and the force behind it, radiation is another head-canon fantasy.
What you're saying is legitimately nearly as, or even more stupid then saying MCU Thor is a planet buster or that Fox Quicksilver is light speed.
And it isn't remotely close at all. That's the point.
I'm not arguing against math and science because he doesn't know either. He tried to apply some logic to a situation and came up with an estimate that is utterly impossible and totally incompatible with what we saw on screen.
If he's wrong, refute it. Or rather, point out in his math where he went wrong. If you cannot do so, all you're doing is talking out of your ass.
There is nothing to suggest he was under the effects of Kryptonite. Throughout his battle with Batman he recovered within minutes. Seriously, what are you basing that on? That he was KO'd?
Recovers within minutes? Superman has the point to travel hypersonic speeds, yet can barely run faster than Batman when fighting him. He has the durability to endure falls from thousands of feet without even showing the slightest of pain, yet he was dazed from flying Batman through the ground. He has the power to move ships, yet is overpowered by a guy in a bat suit. Lastly, and this is the biggie here, he has accelerated healing, yet the CUT WAS STILL ON HIS PHASE UP UNTIL HE WAS EXPOSED TO THE SUN. Literally everything in that situation was pointing towards the fact that he was still under the effects of kryptonite. I EXPLAIN THAT IN THAT BIG BLOCK OF TEXT.
He's never faced anything close to that powerful, there's literally nothing to suggest he was;
- Under the effects of Kryptonite
- Able to take the Nuke if he was
So we're putting our fingers in our ears again?
Likewise there is literally nothing to suggest he was KO'd by anything other then the Nuke and the force behind it, radiation is another head-canon fantasy.
Let's see
Being zombified by nuclear radiation is literally something that many versions of Superman experienced. What makes this version ANY DIFFERENT?
What you're saying is legitimately nearly as, or even more stupid then saying MCU Thor is a planet buster or that Fox Quicksilver is light speed.
Are you going to actually refute and provide a counterargument towards anything I stated? Or are you just gonna call it stupid and ignore it like AsgardianBrony? If you can prove ANYTHING I've said wrong, OR prove the calculations in the video wrong, then I'll take you seriously. Until then you are literally just some guy saying "I'm right, you're wrong, no explanation needed".
I'm not saying his math is wrong. I'm saying that he never claims his calculations are accurate. If you actually had any sense you'd realize that he's assuming 90% of what he's saying, his calculations are skewed as a result.
You're taking something the content creator knew full well wasn't close to 100% correct and claiming it's the gospel truth. Words can't describe the level of stupidity then required to go ahead and call me out when the guy you're citing doesn't agree with you.
You're not saying his math is wrong? WHAT!??! You out right say his conclusion is impossible! That's even worse. And though the content creators said his estimations are based of assumptions, they're at least somewhat close to the real numbers. Moreover, The calculations I used were based off of speeds 10 faster than what was found in the video.
And how does he not agree with me? Towards the end of the video, he even states that all of his assumptions are SAFE BETS, in that they may be slower. However, no where does he state that "I'm wrong". What would be the point of making the video? That's like saying a scientist carbon dates something to 1,000 years ago, with a margin of error of 50 years, and you say they're wrong just because their estimations were approximations.
THEY'RE ESTIMATIONS! HE ACKNOWLEDGES THAT THEY'RE NOT COMPLETELY RIGHT, BUT THEY GIVE US A CLOSE ESTIMATION TO HOW CLOSE THEY MIGHT BE.
Since when did Superman have a healing factor? He isn't Wolverine.
Since he was able to heal when the Kryptonian machine cut him on the arm when he first discovered the ship in the arctic, so the power is definitely not out of thin air. Superman also has accelerated healing in the comics, if you didn't notice.
He was overpowered in his fight with Batman because he was under the effects of Kryptonite. If you were paying attention, you'd realize that Bruce had to use another canister of the gas because it wore off during the fight.
This doesn't refute anything I said. I stated that Superman was still under the effects of Kryptonite, but never did I say it wasn't wearing off. But thanks for confirming my conclusion.
He was in orbit. If the Nuke hit him from below and pushed him up it makes sense that he floated in the opposite direction.
Precisely. And I guess you just ignore what I said, huh? If Superman WAS UNCONSCIOUS and didn't have the ability to fly, he would have fell back to Earth JUST AS DD, but HE DIDN'T. Doomsday was literally inches away from Superman, and in fact was directly above the missile just as Superman was. If Superman was knocked unconscious, he would have fell back to earth, JUST AS DD DID.
Also, the Earth's gravity extends all the way to the moon. The only reason satellites don't fall back to Earth is because of the immense speeds with which they travel. If they were stationary, they would EASILY fall to Earth, just like any asteroid that get's pulled in by our gravity. In fact, the gravity on the ISS is still that of .9 of Earth, and that's nearly 250 miles above the surface of the Earth, and Clark was NO WHERE near that high.
As you can see plain as day, Superman is CLEARLY lower, but is not being pulled in by the force of gravity.
His body wasn't fine. He was mutilated, skeletal. The suit is essentially a plot device so saying it was unharmed doesn't work (we have no idea what it's made of).
Nothing here remotely suggests that radiation, which is something that was never touched on in the movie after, during or before the event was a factor in play.
Uhhh, what? I said his body was fine in that he didn't have huge chunks of meat hanging off of him, or didn't limbs hanging off of his torso. But since you said his body is skeletal, let me address that.
The yellow line is where his bicep ends, since it's pretty hard to tell in the dark. I don't know about you, but my skeleton isn't 19 inches around. Mind you, the way his arm is turned shows us only his bicep and the side of his wrist (which is the skinniest part). Does he look a little frail and lose a little mass? Sure (and seeing as Kryptonite works by forcing solar radiation out of his cells, which is the only thing that gives him that physique, that is no surprise), but skeletal? Hell no.
And his suit is a plot device? Lol, based off what? Because you say it is?
Did you just use versions from completely different media to justify cinematic what happened in a totally unrelated medium?
Jesus Christ.
Do you have reading comprehension problems?
I drew analogies and comparisons. I used previous version, the two biggest version from which this character is based off of (TDKR and N52), and SHOWED YOU that in canon, the same thing occurs. DCEU Superman is BASED off of the comics, and seeing as how much Snyder likes Superman, and how much stories he's read (one of his favorite being TDKR) there's no denying that he to inspiration from it.
Even beyond that, I used those versions to prove to you my point. New 52 Superman has taken attacks that dwarf that of a nuke, yet he is harmed by an atomic bomb. Why? Because of the radiation. TDKR Superman was hurt BY THE RADIATION. Which two Supermen does DCEU Kal-el draw the biggest inspiration? I think you know what I might say next.
I mean, it's no different than me saying "Kryptonite hurts Superman because that's how it was in the comics". Only difference is that now I'm doing it with radiation.
Scientist: The fragment is of a RADIOACTIVE xenomineral.
The reason why it hurts Kryptonians is because it's extremely radioactive to kryptonians. You know what else is radioactive and causes radioactive decay? I think you know where I'm going with this...
Lol, you didn't refute anything I said.
In fact, you have yet to refute anything I've said. All you have said is "Jesus Christ" and "That's stupid". *FANTASTIC REBUTTALS!!!*
Lastly, even if we assume that the damn near 1 mt bomb hurt him and "KNOCKED HIM OUT", you do realize that even at mach 1,500 speeds (Which is being hugely generous for QS), and some kind of magical, indestructible surface to launch Superman at, it would still be 1,000 times less powerful than the nuke? Your typical boxer can hit with about 1,450 psi, which will knock most unsuspecting people out. Let's call this Boxer's punch the BvS nuke, and this hypothetical person Superman. What you're saying is that because that 1,450 psi punch knocked you out, that somehow, a punch with a measly 1.450 psi is supposed to HURT? That is literally what you're saying, but on a much smaller scale.
I'm not going to get into this, but the nuke didn't hit them just in orbit, they were in the exosphere.... meaning they were completely still under the effects of Earth's gravitational pull. They were about 300 mi above the Starfish Threshold which refers to the Starfhish Prime experiment that blew up 250 mi above ground level. With what we see, we can deduce that the point of impact would've been at approximately 570 mi above ground.
There is nothing to suggest he was under the effects of Kryptonite. Throughout his battle with Batman he recovered within minutes. Seriously, what are you basing that on? That he was KO'd?
Here is the LexCorps scientist explaining that kryptonite decays kryptonian cells:
Here is Batman using it on Superman.
Here is Superman right before taking the nuke with the cut from the kryptonite still on his face. This shows that he was still affected by the cut.
Hell, Doomsday used three moves to knock out Superman while Superman was in this state, but when Superman came back healed, he took multiple hits from Doomsday just fine and an attack that took out multiple buildings.
He was weakened when taking the nuke.
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