Fellowship of the Ring vs Varian Wrynn

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Fellowship of the Ring

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  • Morals on, in character
  • Win by Death or KO
  • Fight takes place at Isengard, start 10 yards apart
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The entire Fellowship? Gandalf is all that's needed.

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#3  Edited By Xerolot

Yea, Gandalf solo. The rest of the team can do anything what they want, like record clip for "taking the hobbits to Isengard"

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Gandalf would solo, but remove him and nobody could match Varian in a physical contest. Snipes from Legolas and a hail mary via letting Aragon use the One Ring would be the teams only shot

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@echostarlord117 said:

The entire Fellowship? Gandalf is all that's needed.

@xerolot said:

Yea, Gandalf solo. The rest of the team can do anything what they want, like record clip for "taking the hobbits to Isengard"

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Gandalf would solo, but remove him and nobody could match Varian in a physical contest. Snipes from Legolas and a hail mary via letting Aragon use the One Ring would be the teams only shot

Varian is highly resistant to magic. He is surrounded by the aura of Goldrinn, an Ancient, which allows him to resist magic and telepathy.

  • Shrugs off Fel Magic from a Warlock with zero effect.
  • Charges right through a mage's spell
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  • A Naga Witch's spell courses through his body, with enough power to shatter the steel slave collar around his neck, but it does no damage to him. He even thanks the witch for doing it.

Gandalf has no chance of soloing. He would be lucky to not be speed blitzed if he tried to take on Varian alone. Even if he did get a spell off, his magic is nothing compared to a basic mage in Warcraft, but Varian's shrugged off all manner of magic, and he did that while he was only half of himself. Literally only half of his body was shrugging that off, since the Dragon Onyxia split his body in to two separate halves, making him only half the warrior he normally is.

This is also all before his next upgrade in Wolfheart, where he conquers the power of Goldrinn's fury and uses it to amp himself.

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@tparks: I was assuming Gandalf was unrestricted, but if Gandalf is restricted then he is still the only factor. Also remeber there is the hail mary of giving him the One Ring. Wizards are also able to casually block arrows, so I doubt he would get blitzed too hard

I dont really think that you could compare a fodder mage or warlock to Gandalf the White, although the warlock feat does have merit, fel magic is basicaly the antithesis of life, and is possibly the nastiest type of magic in the Warcraft verse (Old God magic being more corrupting imo) tanking it is certainly impressive. Howerver fodder warlocks wouldn't be channeling fel magic unless they had some sort of pact with the Legion and some experts chose to specialise in either fire or shadow magic. That purple energy did not have the green fel taint that indicates fel magic

My Warlock could solo the whole bunch of them though

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@decaf_wizard: This is in character, so Gandalf would never touch the ring. It's also pretty baseless IMO, since we have no idea what that would even do. I also disagree about the "fodder" mages. There isn't really a fodder class in Warcraft. Pretty much every single character and creature, regardless if they are nameless, are fleshed out to the point that it's nearly impossible to call them fodder. Warlocks are capable of whatever demons and fel magics they are using to power them. I've never really considered any fodder. The adventurers roll through them like fodder like the adventurer warlock you mentioned, but they also take on Old Gods, demigods, and every character that has power capable of ruling Azeroth time and again, so it's no wonder that they can fodderize the unnamed warlocks. The adventurers should be able to steam roll through basically all of the Tolkien-verse based on their accomplishments, not all at once mind you, but in a gauntlet style there really isn't any character that should be able to stop them.

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@tparks:

Gandalf as Ring Lord would have been far worse then Sauron. He would have remained `righteous', but `self-righteous'. He would have continued to rule and order things for `good', and the benefit of his subjects according to his wisdom (which was and would have remained great).

Direct quote from Tolkien, so Gandalf with the ring would not be baseless. I also wouldn't put it past him to use it if his allies were gaurenteed to die otherwise, but thats just me

Also when I say "fodder" I mean fodder within its own verse. "Fodder" noob Warlocks without drawing on any demons or artifacts for power would not be a match for Gandalf the White imao, and would probably lose to the Balrog that Gandalf the Gray killed if they couldn't banish, drain or enslave it. The thing destroyed and entire kingdom of dwarves and forced the survivors to flee in fear

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@decaf_wizard: He let Frodo and Sam wander into the most deadly location of all of Middle Earth just so he wouldn't have to take the ring himself. He would, and did, sacrifice thousands to not touch the ring. He knew that it would corrupt him and it would be an even worst result then if him and his companions were to die. He let Frodo take it, because he saw the resilience in Hobits early on with Bilbo, and he saw how long Bilbo had the ring with only minimal corruption. I could very easily see him allowing himself and his companions to be killed before he was to take the ring.

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@tparks: Comparing Gandalf the Grey to nameless Naga Witches and Warlocks... nice...

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@tparks: Comparing Gandalf the Grey to nameless Naga Witches and Warlocks... nice...

Neither are nameless, but even if they were, Warcraft isn't other fictions, where nameless characters get zero respect. There isn't such thing as a fodder class in Warcraft. The roots of the game were in RTS, where each nameless unit is the star of the game, so a lot of lore and descriptions of what these nameless units can do put them at levels higher then what people assume are just "fodder".

I would give a nameless Warlock a solid majority over Gandalf, and I would certainly give a Naga Witch this as well.

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@tparks: Comparing Gandalf the Grey to nameless Naga Witches and Warlocks... nice...

The nameless Warlock one would actually have merit if the Warlock in question was using fel magic. In Warcraft Lore, fel magic is pretty much the antithesis of life and incredibly hard to control or resist, so tanking it would be a pretty impressive feat for somebody who isnt a magic user. However fel magic is almost always green or yellow tinted, and that warlock was using purple tinted magic, which indicated he was using shadow magic.

That Naga was also not a Sea Witch, but a Siren. Nameless Sirens have never done anything impressive from what ive seen, but then again I could be wrong as I've only read a few of the warcraft comics.

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@tparks: Lol Warcraft is just like any other fictional universe -- there's plenty of nameless fodder. Just because a certain class is fleshed out doesn't mean everyone that falls under that class is as well. A warlocks' power varies, and it's clear that this warlock is not a high-tier one. Unless he's done something other than fail to subdue Varian, he's nameless fodder and is in no way comparable to Gandalf the Grey who can solo a Balrog. Also, @decaf_wizard is right, unless that comic has some continuity errors, that didn't look like fel magic. Not that it matters, though, because...

The nameless Warlock one would actually have merit if the Warlock in question was using fel magic. In Warcraft Lore, fel magic is pretty much the antithesis of life and incredibly hard to control or resist, so tanking it would be a pretty impressive feat for somebody who isnt a magic user.

Fel magic may be the antithesis to life, but I don't believe it's any harder to resist than shadow, arcane, holy, nature, etc. I believe the difficulty to resist comes from the power level of the user, not the actual magic itself. For example, Malfurion's magic would be way harder, if not impossible, for Varian to resist while I'm sure he can tank a few blows from a Felguard.

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@echostarlord117: First off, not all universes are made the same, and specially not ones from Blizzard who go through tons of effort to not have anything that resembles "fodder" in their universes, since these "fodder" characters are what make up the main heroes of their universes. That's just battle forums logic speaking, where if there is an unrecognized character, one just writes off anything seen by them, instead of using actual logic and common sense, in addition to the mountains of lore and information Blizzard provides to flesh out these "fodder" characters.

If you want to call this Warlock fodder, then what can you really say about the Balrog Gandlaf fought? Besides fighting Gandalf, what can you say about Durin's Bane? The only information we have is backstory about Balrog's, and this one in general survivng wars and driving Dwarves out. How is that any better then what we get from Warcraft characters? If you want to write off feats while ignoring mountains of lore, then you better write off Gandalf's feat of fighting a fodder Balrog, because it's no different then calling a Warlock, a person infused with one or more powerful demons to fuel their magic, as just a fodder pushover. Doesn't make sense to call a Warlock or a Balrog fodder, does it?

If you absolutely need to see Varian taking on a magic user full of feats, then here he is, as the only character in an entire army of Horde and Night Elves and even a very powerful Shaman who conjured a massive Lava Elemental, capable of breaking through the Magical Defenses of Broll Bearmantle, who is a druid near Malfurion's level, he's even grown the Antlers which only happens to Druids who have extreme levels of power like Malfurion.

As for the Warlock, his Fel Magic puts down Valeera, who has shown capable of absorbing quite a bit of Fel Energy up until this point because of her ability as a Blood Elve to absorb magical energy:

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Even Broll calls him a very powerful Warlock, which coming from a powerful Magic User like Broll, that is saying something:

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And the spells he was using were made to literally suck the life out of a soul:

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Even Broll had to run to keep from dying, but as we see, Varian shrugs it off like it's nothing.

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Vendelin Soulfire even is in shock, and yells "That's impossible!". No human should be able to survive that, let alone take zero damage whatsoever from it.

Now as for Morgala Darkquall, the Naga Siren. A Naga Siren is just another name for a Naga mage like a Sea Witch. There is no difference between the two as far as abilities, there are just less Witches then there are Sirens. I can go into this further if you need to, but just looking at their wiki should be enough: http://wow.gamepedia.com/Siren.

Naga sirens are the female mage variant for naga, also known as "naga mage".[1] Sirens are more common than naga sea witches, but still deadly, using their magic to incapacitate foes so the naga myrmidons can sweep in and finish them off.[2] The racial iconic naga mage is called a siren, and she slithers forward with her brethren, glaives clutched in two of her arms. The other two weave arcane energy, and she protects her allies and decimates her opponents with her spells. She is assured and arrogant, and with good reason.

This Siren in particular, has shown she is more then capable with Lightning and summoning powerful creatures like Couatl:

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We don't get to see the whole fight, but she at one point fights off Onyxia, the daughter of Deathwing, and her even being willing to wage a war with such a powerful Black Dragon shows that she does have some power levels that are formidable:

From Gandalf's displays of magical abilities, I don't see him doing really anything to Varian. How is Gandalf going to bypass the magical protection of an Ancient like Goldrinn that has infused itself with Varian's soul, and wraps him in an aura to let him withstand magical attacks?

Gandalf also has to get the spell off, as Varian is more then capable of speed blitzing him before he casts a spell, and it is something that Varian would do as a tactic:

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Or here where he dodges a spell, then speed blitzes a Dark Iron Mage before he can cast another spell.

He's beaten so many magic users at this point, that there is no doubt in my mind that Gandalf would pose little to no threat to him.