@nuclearrebirth said:
@echostarlord117:
Those speed feats are impressive enough but don't come close to proving that Darth Sidious can move at the speed of light or greater. If he had looped around Coruscant twice and then killed Saesee Tiin before Mace Windu could see what had happened then maybe I'd accept it.
You're comparing Sidious to the common Marvel/DC speedster whose main, if not only power is super speed. Force users don't fight like your average speedster because they aren't. On top of superhuman speed, they have telepathy, telekinesis, energy manipulation, so on and so forth; powers they'd much more readily use. So even if a Jedi could run across Coruscant twice (which would be the most pointless thing ever), they most likely would never do that. It's a massive waste of energy. It should also be noted that Jedi/Sith don't really ever travel at anywhere near the speed of light, unlike Superman and the Flash. This is because 1) that would require an immense level of Force power which very few Force users have and 2) because a Jedi running at super speeds is still running, i.e. it's a very taxing ability. They'd rather focus more of their energy on short bursts of speed when it's needed. That being said, they can fight and react at relativistic speeds. For example, Luke blocked lightspeed projectile before.
EDIT: I do remember reading somewhere that Sidious scoured an entire Star Destroyer in seconds looking for something. I'll try to find the scan, otherwise, ignore that.
also, if he really was moving at light speed, why couldn't he infinite mass punch the jedi temple?
This is ridiculous. I can name plenty of speedsters who don't IMP. Just because Flash can do it doesn't mean every fast character can. Not to mention, a Jedi's speed doesn't work like, say, the Flash's. For example, a Jedi will never, ever be able to just vibrate his body through a wall. Force Speed just doesn't work that way. Plain and simple. Oh, and most Jedi/Sith don't fight with their fists, especially if they have a lightsaber handy.
or how was darth vader able to pick him up and slowly walk several feet to a hole and dump his ass down it?
I'm sure there's an explanation for this somewhere, but as far as I'm concerned, it's just a healthy dose of PIS. You have the remember, the movies don't really do Jedi and Sith justice in the power department. A deleted scene from Ep. I showed Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon having to use a tightrope to walk across a narrow-ish river. And I think we can all agree that even a padawan could cross a damn river one way or another without a stinkin' tightrope. So, even though it is canon, that's a really low-ball feat. It's like saying Doctor Doom is pathetic because he got his butt kicked by Squirrel Girl. Sometimes, stupid crap happens for the sake of plot.
he is powerful yeah, but you need more evidence than he killed 3 jedi masters to show that he is light speed.
I really don't get why that feat alone isn't proof. Anakin can see relativistic space ships moving in slow. motion. And he couldn't even see Sidious fighting despite Sidious really not even giving it his all. That alone should give you a good idea of his speed. But if that's not enough for you, well, hate to break it to ya, any other feat I post ain't gonna be much different. Star Wars isn't like Marvel/DC where a secondary character'll say, "Golly Gee, Sidious, you just ran 82347938742938742934729834729384729 MPH!" So if you're expecting something like that, I can't help you.
Also please post the evidence of planetary level lightning. Bonus points if you can tell me what planet it is and how big.
Uh... Force Storm... Byss and Coruscant... they're big
This is perhaps the single most destructive Force power known. This power allows the Jedi to twist the space-time continuum to create vast storms of force. The power also allows limited control of these storms. Capable of creating annihilating vortices, the storms can swallow whole fleets of spaceships or tear the surfaces off worlds.
--Taken from Dark Empire Sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion
The power allowed a Force-user to generate unique hyperspace wormholes, violent blue vortices of Force energy known as Force storms. Force storms could devastate the surfaces of entire planets and consume whole fleets of starships. Storms could also safely transport living beings across the galaxy in a short span of time and, if used in conjunction with certain Sith artifacts, could send a being forward in time.
--Taken from Wookieepedia: The Star Wars Wiki
BY THE WAY, just noticed the premise of your argument here.
"Those speed feats are impressive enough but don't come close to proving that Darth Sidious can move at the speed of light or greater."
Okay, so, I never said that Sidious can move at lightspeed. In fact, as far as I know, he can not. However, that doesn't prevent him from reacting to and defending against things moving at lightspeed. All Jedi and Sith have precognition which allows them to know what's going to happen prior to it actually happening. Sidious has nanosecond reaction time. Combine that with an impressive level of precognition. There ya go.
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