Dr Manhattan VS Death Seed Sentry

• Both at their peak
• Random encounter
• Start 70ft apart

DSS. Void would be a better match up though.

DSS stomps and aint even joking

@icecold14: @luda12331: reasons....

DSS

@cosmicentity: DSS is mortal and is at least skyfather level :o

He's a mortal..so he can die? Regardless, he is made of matter and Manhattan controls matter.

DSS for a solid majority, but Manhattan can win a few rounds.

Mah gawd

Did manhattan gain a couple of herald+ feats? Actually, I don't know if sentry is herald level, but I'm pretty sure that it takes at least a herald to beat him...

Manhattan doesn't have feats but Idk how he can be defeated.

@cosmicentity: DSS

Reasons?

He has feats against powerful metahumans like Molecule Man.

More powers.

Dr Manahttan has none.

But how is going to kill Manhattan? Couldn't Manhattan just kill him at the atomic level?

@cosmicentity: He meant immortal.. and no.. Sentry can't die (unless he chooses to). Manhattan is made of molecules and DSS controls the molecules at a way higher level. Also, DSS has the speed feats that suggest he would act way before Manhattan.

That makes sense. Thanks for clarifying that.

DSS can control Molecules.

Molecules>>Matter

Matter is made up of molecules.

It's quasi-right.

Except that Sentry doesn't have the same power than Molecule Man, he controls is a Reality Warper.

That is the way that Paul Jenkins created the character and that Brian M Bendis and Rick Remender do too.

@realitywarper: He is a reality warper no doubt but his powers derive from his abilities to control molecules. When you control the molecules in Marvel, you can do just about anything. Remeber what Pre ret MM was doing? He was doing reality warping on par with Franklin Richards.

Sentry said it himself that he controls the molecules, not me

@luda12331: Actually it is the opposite.

Look at this interview of Bendis :

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287

In this scene, Thor finally ends the threat of the Void AKA Bob Reynolds by killing him. It seems like when you consider the Void's power level, the only way this could have happened was because the Void wanted to die.

I see there is a lot of online speculation about that, and I thought it was pretty clear. I don't like to over analyze these things. I prefer the work to speak for itself, but I'll put two things out there.

I think we've all met crazy people in our lives, and I think you learn pretty quickly that when you're dealing with a crazy person, you can't trust what they're saying to be true. Just because the Sentry/The Void announced that he had the power of the Molecule Man, it doesn't mean that he actually did. He just thought that he did. He was a crazy person and maybe a drug addict, as the character's creator, Paul Jenkins, put out there. So not everything he was saying wasn't necessarily true. Maybe it was. Maybe it wasn't. I know that's difficult for some people, because when they read a story, they don't want to feel like they're being fucked with. That character, though, was not in control of himself. There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself.

Number two, yes, Bob realized that things had gone as far as they could possibly go. There was no other end for him and without his cooperation he doesn't go away. I just didn't want to have a line in the script where someone like Spider-Woman goes, "Boy, if he didn't want us to kill him, we couldn't have killed him." I see a lot of people got it, though, or they were just so happy to see the Sentry die they didn't give a shit how it happened [Laughs].

So as you can see Reality Warping is the true nature of his powers.

@realitywarper: Maybe it was, or maybe it wasn't is the next line. Bendis is just baiting us more like he does with the Sentry's true orgins. I will take feats over a statement for now though.

That's the point.
Paul Jenkins confirmed me that he created The Sentry as a Reality Warper.

In the interview he say that The Sentry has not the powers of Molecule Man so how does he replicate the same feats ?

He is a reality warper (like The Beyonder).

Simple.

@realitywarper: Could be. One question, do you consider Reality Warping stronger than molecular manipulation?

At high level we don't see the difference but in my opinion Reality Warping is stronger than Molecular Manipulation.

Molecular Manipulation means that you manipulate something tangible to make incredible feats.

Reality Warping means that you follows your own rules.

@realitywarper: Molecule Man could control all molecules and energy (which he has done many times). So it isn't limited to just tangible things.

but I see your point. You might be right. I don't want to derail this thread any longer.

So Manhattan can control matter. But DSS can control the molecules that make up matter?

I refer to my previous comment.

Molecules>>Matter.

Dr. Manhattan destroyed a tank. He stomps.

DSS is a reality warper.

He don't follow any rules.

He stomped Molecule Man so IMO he is superior to Dr Manhattan.

@luda12331

Yeah that's right.

I just think that Reality Warping implies more or that the power-level of The Sentry is superior to Molecule Man (during Drak Reign).

I know he beat MM but I don't remember it being a stomp.

@citizensentry: In fact he "died" two times before he realised that he could control the matter too.

Then he overpowered Molecule Man.

The fact is that The Sentry erased his memories so often that he forgot which was his powers and how to use them.

So he thinked that he has the powers of Molecule Man but he's a Reality Warper in fact.

Are there any feats to prove he's a Reality Warper?

@realitywarper: MM ripped Sentry to pieces three times. Once outside when Sentry first arrived, once in the gym while the Sentry was on the ground, and once when he flew out of the gym with with the Sentry and ripped him to pieces in the sky. :)

@cosmicentity: lol i meant immortal :\ i was so tired when i posted here xD

idk it's a hard one...

Mismatch.

@cosmicentity: were does this DrManhattan pic come from?

@xiix said:

Mismatch.

in who's favour?

@drfate:

Sentry's.

Plain and simple, Dr. Manhattan just doesn't have the feats to suggest he could defeat anyone with superhuman durability(exceeding a tank, of course).

Best he could do is stalemate, assuming they couldn't put him down either.

Has DSS ever destroyed a tank? No? Then I think we know who is the superior fighter here.

Sentry had every single atom from his body destroyed and reformed from nothing in seconds (He did this faster after that, that was his first time using this power), won against Molecule Man in a molecular manipulation battle, this in a much weaker incarnation. DSS was lifting a celestial that the combined forces of the majority of the heroes in earth put into Rogue couldn't lift (That includes all the Hulks and etc), traveled many times the speed of light and stopped mjolnir with just a stare, the last two while making Thor feel like a fool while himself was greatly holding back.

@xiix: well, Manhattan doesn't have the feats...but ( i know that we can't proove it without feats ) we are informed by Manhattan himself and people around him, that he can do basicly everything he wants. At the end of "Watchmen" he says to Ozymandias that he'll travel to another solar system to create intelligent life on another planet.

He was able to manipulate his molecules and molecules of people and things around him. Destroying a tank is not the only thing Manhattan did in Watchmen. He created that big-ass machine on mars, he was able to predict the future, he was anihilating people with nothing but a thought.

There has to be a reason why everyone in the Watchmen universe was saying he is a god.

Another thing is, that with his decissions he was creating new timelines. So, basicly he could try every possible option and eventually kill Sentry.

Those are just my thoughts about the battle. I was just thinking out lound.

Im not saying that Manhattan wins. But i don't really think it's a stomp in Sentry's favour as everyone makes it to be...

Matter is a broad term. Molecules do not necessarily make up matter. Matter is anything with a mass and volume.

Matter can exist on various levels such as sub-atomic, atomic, molecular, etc.

Obviously the smaller the level of matter you control the more powerful you are; sub-atomic > atomic > molecular.

Molecules are made out of atoms, atoms are made out of sub-atomic particles. Even the sub-atomic particles are made out of even smaller sub-atomic particles (but that's where it stops).

I don't think I've ever cited Sentry's showings against Molecular Man before. However, any version of Molecule Man is far superior to Manhattan.

Sentry wins this.

IIRC it was another galaxy. I could be wrong though.

Sentry