Doomsday Vs. Darkseid

"@Mr. Director well honestly the same could be said about some of the stories why DS beat Superman, plus Supes holds back a lot as we all know..  But yeah, DD here beats DS to a pulp and then some... "

DOOMSDAY

" @MKF30 said:

"@Mr. Director well honestly the same could be said about some of the stories why DS beat Superman, plus Supes holds back a lot as we all know..  But yeah, DD here beats DS to a pulp and then some... "

Honestly the same can be said for doomsday beating orion,wally,diana and jo'nn at the same time but losing to supes,who in turn would lose to 3 of the JLA members mentioned and possibly to diana as well. doomsday is an overrated crap of a character,darkseid was able to turn validus in to a baby and back via genetic manipulation through the omega effect,he does the same to doomsday and then squishes him under his foot,or goes back in time and killes berthron. Darkseid SPITE. "

" @MKF30 said:

"@Mr. Director well honestly the same could be said about some of the stories why DS beat Superman, plus Supes holds back a lot as we all know..  But yeah, DD here beats DS to a pulp and then some... "

Honestly the same can be said for doomsday beating orion,wally,diana and jo'nn at the same time but losing to supes,who in turn would lose to 3 of the JLA members mentioned and possibly to diana as well. doomsday is an overrated crap of a character,darkseid was able to turn validus in to a baby and back via genetic manipulation through the omega effect,he does the same to doomsday and then squishes him under his foot,or goes back in time and killes berthron. Darkseid SPITE. "

" @entropy_aegis said:

" @MKF30 said:

"@Mr. Director well honestly the same could be said about some of the stories why DS beat Superman, plus Supes holds back a lot as we all know..  But yeah, DD here beats DS to a pulp and then some... "

Honestly the same can be said for doomsday beating orion,wally,diana and jo'nn at the same time but losing to supes,who in turn would lose to 3 of the JLA members mentioned and possibly to diana as well. doomsday is an overrated crap of a character,darkseid was able to turn validus in to a baby and back via genetic manipulation through the omega effect,he does the same to doomsday and then squishes him under his foot,or goes back in time and killes berthron. Darkseid SPITE. "

That's DC cannon for you.   Doomsday wins.  "

"I think its funny that ppl still say Darkseid stomps Doomsday, even H/P version when continuity and writters dictates otherwise, the guy was stomped baddly while DD only laughed, and he shot the OE at him with no result, I mean seriously, at the moment you are stating the oposite of continuity, you might as well throw your books out the window and guide yourself by what you want to believe.   "

" @NeonNemesis said:

"I think its funny that ppl still say Darkseid stomps Doomsday, even H/P version when continuity and writters dictates otherwise, the guy was stomped baddly while DD only laughed, and he shot the OE at him with no result, I mean seriously, at the moment you are stating the oposite of continuity, you might as well throw your books out the window and guide yourself by what you want to believe.   "

Yeah,and batman kicked spectre,i guess that's legit too,darkseid stomps easily. Guardians cant beat doomsday,darkseid cant beat doomsday,JLA cant beat doomsday but superman can???BWAHAHAHA.   Like i said doomsday is a crap character . I'll settle this once and for all,doomsday is still at the end of the day a physical,genetic creature of destruction. that's it,there's nothing more to him.i already gave an example of darkseid manipulating the evolutionary process,he does the same to doomsday and reverts him to back to his orignal form.its pretty simple. doomsday is a character who thrives on CIS,take that CIS and he would get flattened. "

Hunter/Prey: Doomsday was stronger than in DoS, and Superman later boosted by a motherbox was beaten hard, and pulled a PIS by sending him to the end of times.

"@NeonNemesis: You're right batman is  king of PIS,likewise doomsday is a king of CIS,and PIS is'nt limited to batman. it took a guardian sacrificing himself to beat doomsday,later in DOS supes beats doomsday,see what i mean. and it took 2 supermen(new earth and earth 2) to beat doomsday while orion,martain,flash and wonder woman failed. either way darkseid wins very easily. "

Doomsday at his peak stomps 
 
Muderstomping Skyfather level gods>>>Enslaving 3,000 Superman level beings

"Yeah,darkseid can take on mordru and time trapper,he can blast apart the antimonitor and imperiex,harm the spectre,pwn superman,orion,lobo,martainmanhunter,gl's,agog(more powerful than orion and lightray put together),one shot mon-el,enslave all of daxam ,near destroy the universe,play around with validus(much more powerful than supes),tag the flash,wipe the floor with eclipso,but lose to doomsday?RIIIGHT? i've read the annual in question and it pretty much confirms DC's,doomsday is awesome movement which did'nt last long,thankfully. before you knew it doomsday was getting his ass kicked by impereix,some new kryptonians,gog,and 2 supermen,and getting squished by entropy aegis. Really you have'nt answered my question,your case sorely hinges on darkseid brawling with doomsday,which he is smart enough not to do,this is what we call Character induced stupididty(CIS),when  character A  (who can fly) happens to fight character B (who is a brick) on the terms of character B.(engage him on the ground). this is the point i've been trying to make.so basically doomsday wins cause darkseid closes his eyes,forgets his powers and fights him H2H. LOL sadly that is EXACTLY what happens in doomsday fights.darkseid sends him to the end of time,or back to berthron,where doomsday kills his own father and thus is never created. "

overall i would go with darkseid

PC darkseid > H/P doomsday and any other version

regular darkseid < H/P doomsday

regular darkseid > any version except H/P

Without PIS I don't think doomsday should ever stand a chance against certain characters. Not because of how powerful he is but because he is a product of science so has clearly defined rules on how he works that can be exploited.

It should be no problem for someone like Darkseid to develop something that could turn his immunity into attacking his own body mimicking real life or evolving into an un-moving indestructible lump as his own destructive rampages go against his own survival, if his power source was mystical Doomsday's powers would have no set in stone defined rules so it would be much harder to exploit.

Hmm, it says right there in the COMICS that doomsday has beaten darkseid TWICE.

So I don't know why this topic has 4 pages. What would make you believe, DC CEO coming to your house and screaming it in your faces that Doomsday will always beat Darkseid and kill him??

@Andhaira said:

Hmm, it says right there in the COMICS that doomsday has beaten darkseid TWICE.

So I don't know why this topic has 4 pages. What would make you believe, DC CEO coming to your house and screaming it in your faces that Doomsday will always beat Darkseid and kill him??

Doomsday and Darkseid have only fought once, so I'm at a complete loss as to what comics you've read.

Darkseid stomps.

Doomsday is PIS incarnate. Not a real villain in my opinion Just a means to an end

No way that doomsday should be able to put down Darkseid but based on is abilities he probably can.

However I am going to say Darksied wins a non pis fight

Darkseid wins.

The Darkseid that Doomsday beat up was just an avatar, so Darkseid should be able to beat him.

@CitizenBane said:

@Andhaira said:

Hmm, it says right there in the COMICS that doomsday has beaten darkseid TWICE.

So I don't know why this topic has 4 pages. What would make you believe, DC CEO coming to your house and screaming it in your faces that Doomsday will always beat Darkseid and kill him??

Doomsday and Darkseid have only fought once, so I'm at a complete loss as to what comics you've read.

He's probably referring to the Doomsday annual where Darkseid placed his hand on Doomsday's shoulder only for the PIS machine to toss him away.

Darkseid stomps easily.

@Dextersinister said:

Without PIS I don't think doomsday should ever stand a chance against certain characters. Not because of how powerful he is but because he is a product of science so has clearly defined rules on how he works that can be exploited.

Wha? Doomsday's powers are hardly defined at all; "He adapts" is one of the most incredibly vague, open-ended powers you could give someone. It was so ridiculous in Hunter/Prey that the best solution they could come up with was transporting him to the end of time itself. Not dumping him on some uninhabited planet in the middle of nowhere. Not leaving him stranded in deep space with zero momentum. Not dropping him into a black hole. Nothing less than taking him to the end of all existence was considered a viable option for dealing with him.

It wasn't even consistent in H/P. It was said over and over that Doomsday adapts to whatever "kills" him. So what's with the shooting knuckle spikes? Superman didn't kill him with flying, he killed him with punches. They were even on the ground when it happened, so why would Doomsday evolve to deal with flying? His "powers" were just a total mess in that story.

I mean, he can't even fly or teleport. He shouldn't be a threat to anything beyond whatever planet he happens to be on, no matter how strong and tough he is. Yet he's treated as if he's some sort of danger to the whole universe. It just doesn't make any kind of sense.

Fortunately, he seems to have been toned down and given at least a semblance of consistency since then (which apparently includes getting physically beaten unconscious or to death by kryptonians on at least 3 occasions, but it's still better than the idea that he magically made himself immune to punching somehow).

@blackadamFTW said:

Darkseid wins.

The Darkseid that Doomsday beat up was just an avatar, so Darkseid should be able to beat him.

Nope, that was the real deal. Not sure why Jurgens wrote Darkseid being dumb enough to turn his back and drop his guard like a common horror movie cliche, but that's what we were given.

Doomsday stomps

@BigCimmerian said:

Darkseid stomps easily.

Darkseid should win.

@ganbattee said:

@entropy_aegis said:

@NeonNemesis: Except PC darkseid is the only true darkseid ,the post crisis is an avatar,but even if we ignore this it does'nt matter,i intentionally brought the GDS cause recently in legion of superheroes that story was brough back in cannon,and finally as for your other argument, this is like asking as to why deathstroke was never able to regrow his eye or why babs gordon is in a wheel chair. mary marvel became his slave,orion/darkseid fights have always been with circumstances,spectre would destroy doomsday and superman is indeed a king of PIS. and that version of mary oneshotted black adam and wonder woman.it was darkseid's power within her,if anything it's a good showing on his part,not to mention countdown is cannon,only final crisis is.

so is gds canon? what issue is this stated in?

It was an issue of Legion of Superheroes,the volume before the new-52(#4 or 5 I think).

Allow me to kick the ballistics here. When it comes to Darkseid, the only thing that he has that makes him a formidable opponent is that he has his Omega Beam. With one shot, he can make his enemies disintegrate just like that. As for Doomsday, he can come back from whatever that killed him. Suppose Darkseid fires his Omega Beam at Doomsday, any opponent would vanish depending on Darkseid's mood, but not in Doomsday's case. He would be knocked out for a few moments only to come back even stronger than the last. Now if Darkseid were to fire his beams at Doomsday, it would have no effect because Doomsday has the ability to withstand anything that killed him last, thus making Darkseid DEAD MEAT since he has nothing else to kill Doomsday with!

Darkseid

Darkseid

Contrary to what happened in Hunter/Prey the writer of that story admitted that Darkseid would beat HP Doomsday but was feeding everyone to him to boost his threat level. Worst case scenario Darkseid tosses Doomsday to another time period.

Darkseid tosses Doomsday to an uninhabited planet. Your move, Doomsday.

@why_so_serious: I don't get it. Wasn't Darkseid supposed to be Inmortal? And doesn't he have an incredible Healing Factor? He once recovered from been reduced to ashes by Spectre. How can physical damage kill him?

anyone who has read hunter/prey knows that darkseid isn't even on doomsdays level. ultimately Doomsday rips darkseid to shreds as he does most other opponents without even realizing he accomplished something significant, he just beat a god and it was just a casual stroll for him.

@chstar: H/P Doomsday beat DS because he didn't use his full power omega beams but only long range OB.

If DS would use full power OB, he 1shot H/P Doomsday

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/105597/4322385-9684615726-28454.jpg

DS should win without a problem, but somehow wrtiers already did this and gave the win to Doomsday.

Darkseid.

https://www.superherodb.com/darkseid-new-52-vs-doomsday/90-235378/# who is more powerful

I don't see why Darkseid wouldn't be able to bfr Doomsday.

Also HP DDs win over DS seems like bad writing. I can accept DD beating DS in a tough fight if DS were to hold back from bfr options, and DD were to die a few times and adapt. But DD just straight up put DS on the edge of death in a few hits, such a low showing for DS.

Ignoring that moment in HP where he was written as being a jobber, Darkseid should win.

Oh boy...

Darkseid should stomp

Well Doomsday has already beaten him.

@brucerogers: Never Mind it is that hp one.

All Darkseid forms win.