I think a 50/50 split or a 60/40 split is a pretty realistic breakdown.
Does Batman always win? Batman vs Captain America
everyone here has been using ALL of his feats, not just New 52 feats, you just made a random assumption. Second, in the case of his training, his life was on the line for all of it, same as Cap during his battles. Finally, no matter how much respect Cap gets, it has nothing to do with this battle, and It's not like Batman is regarded lowly or anything.
after reading the article my edge would of went to batman. Physically Cap is stronger but like u said bruce has faced people physically stronger than he and won and batman has way more way to fight. Meaning he has the utility belt which has a large amount of things in it to come out on top. But then g-man made a really good point. If we are talking about new 52 batman he hasnt faced threats that Cap has faced aside from darkseid. SO he has less experienced making Cap the more seasoned fighter for the time being. So as much as it pains me i would have to say cap wins. =(
Batman. Why? Because I like people who "cheat" in fights. Cheating in a fight is always the most practical option. Cheat cheat cheat. And that is fair game because, every time you fight, your life is on the line (all it takes is getting hit the wrong way). Other reasons? Cryo-pellets (Cap was frozen for years). His shield cannot defend against it. Knock-out gas. His shield cannot defend against it. Tear gas. His shield cannot defend against it. Does his shield conduct electricity? I dunno. If it does, it cannot defend against an electrical attack unless he is grounded somehow. That being said, hand to hand, I'd give it to Cap the majority. The shield can block all physical attacks it defends against, can be thrown, can be ricocheted, and can be used as a blunt force weapon. I think in the scenario given, Bats wins. Yeah Cap is considered stronger and faster. But lions, tigers, and bears are like that to humans and we were taking them down with spears. Spears I tell you. A stick with something sharp tied around the end. Tech beats physicals in my book.
@The Stegman: well, G-Man talks like it's about the characters as they are presently, i.e post-52. Cap being respected means that he has to be on a level that can solve any problem and win any fight, and they have hit him with pretty much any battle and any fight and he usually comes out on top. while bats isn't lowly, he isn't looked upon to save the world. that's what people like Cap and superman are for.
You know who would win this fight... Captain America. But in a rematch and then on, Cap will get destroyed, he wouldn't even get a chance to attack because then on, Bats knows the weakness of Caps just like how he knew the weaknesses of his fellow team members in Tower of Babel. Bats will then use that weakness to his advantage and work a tactical fight against Caps
Us Batman more skilled than Captain America, or do his writers over the course of the years just make it seem that way. I've always thought Batman to be more skilled, but when you really think about it, maybe he's not. Both characters reside in a different universe and both characters rely on being exceptionally skilled fighters to take on bigger and badder foes. I strongly believe the outcome of this fight resides on this question - if Batman is in fact more skilled, then Batman gets the edge (like 11 of 20). But if they are evenly skilled, then Captain America has the edge (11 or 12 of 20).
@Sammo21 said:
@MuyJingo: Cap has fought an many, many times without his shield and he's fine. That's like saying with his utility belt then Batman is helpless...and I guess you wouldn't agree with that? Cap has no specific weakness, just like Batman has no specific weakness...Cap is far stronger, Cap is far faster, Cap is far smarter, etc. This has been proven because of super soldier serum added on top of the fact he was already pretty smart to begin with. He also lead people in WW2 and has years and years of experience on Batman. Even pre-New 52, Batman has what...10 to, at most, 20 years? Batman also took years to create those files and it only worked because those heroes had weakenesses because of their super powers. In a straight up 1 on 1, spontaneous fight I seriously doubt that Batman's going to devise a plan that would take years in minutes.
Cap does not have years and years of experience, if anything Batman has years fo experience. Also, experience in the army is kind of useless for this fight. Batman trained with Lady Shiva, is a better martial artist and regularly beats people physically superior to him. Saying Cap is smarter is just silly.
Cap has the speed, strength and endurance advantages. Batman has every other advantage.
I keep seeing that Captain America has more experience.....I suppose you guys mean the like what 3-4 years he had in WWII, right?
If so then, I don't know how people think that he has more experience than Batman; mentally, physically, or in terms of strategy (especially since Batman was able to systematically take out the JLA by himself).
Batmans roots are as a street level hero and against those level enemies he should almost always come out on top. The problem now is that Batman is not only involved in streel level crime. He is involved in all matter of trouble from global to galatic to interdimensional and I think the too many writers (maybe DC itself) have taken Frank Millar's 'The Dark Knight Returns' to heart and have the mindset that Batman has to win. All the planing and prepeartion should not allow Batman to beat Superman. Against Captain America I think it would be close but Captain America would prevail.
@BigPromise: Cap has enhanced durability so he can definitely take a way bigger beating then bats and last longer fighting.
@comicace3: Even without his shield Cap woud still be a formidable fighter and has way more stamina than Bruce.
@k4tzm4n said:
@Pokeysteve said:In this case, a stalemate means both would win roughly 5 times if this scenario was simulated 10 times. I left out those details because I didn't want to overcomplicate matters, but that's the general rule we apply over in the battles thread (if this happened 10 times, what would the win ratio be?). Perhaps that was a mistake on my behalf to not include this and I'll be sure to include that in the next one so there's no confusion on the verdict. As for picking a side and being crucified for my choice, I'm sure that's going to happen a lot down the road. I have some fights in mind Batman will win... and some he won't ;)@k4tzm4n said:
@Pokeysteve said:
Cap having superior endurance is addressed in the article itself, but just because Captain America can outlast Batman doesn't mean they'd end up reaching the limits of their energy levels every single time. If it comes to that, then obviously Captain America would take that round. However, I'd say thinking they have even potential to win the fight before it reaches that point is reasonable, not "Bat Syndrome." After all, wouldn't said syndrome mean I think Batman is the clear winner for unreasonable and blatantly biased reasons? (BATMAN BEAT SUPERMAN, BRO) That's not the case.This article loses credibility at the end. A stalemate? There was never any set time limit and Bats is with out a doubt going to tire first. Katzman has The Bat Syndrome!
A stalemate is a draw. A tie. No winner. One of them will win. You should have just said "I don't know" with a shoulder shrug lol. If you had chosen one than the other side would have crucified you so I understand.
You know, I'm on the battle forums a lot and see people do the 6/10 stuff and just thought that was an easy way for them to say how they think it would go. I had no idea it was like a thing here hahaha I've been here about 2 years I think. Looks like it's just as much my fault. I'll be keeping an eye out for these so if you make my favorite characters lose, I'll be sure to send Vinnie and Eddie to rough you up a bit.
Cap wins this fight. Batman is more in Daredevil's weight class than Cap's, and I'm surprised that it's never been discussed before. Now Daredevil vs. Batman---that would be a close fight.
DRAW!
They are written as incredibly smart calculating people so I assume they'd work out their differences with a nice debate.
"GOTHAM IS MY CITY I MUST PROTECT IT"
"IS IT IN AMERICA?"
"MOST ASSUREDLY"
"OK IT COOL BAT BRO YOU LIKE BIRD SIDEKICKS TAKE FALCON"
Batman can't always win. I mean this cover says it all. Get involved with Wonder Woman affairs and she'll whoop your ass! Plus their some heroes with the smarts and the powers to find Batman's weakness. He's human after all living in a world were the gods exists if he likes it or not.
The fanboyism from both sides is kinda hilarious,but gotta admit the Batfanboys actually brought up legit points,while the Cap guys have been doing nothing other than to quote Citizenbane
"RAWR CAP IS A WARTIME STRATEGIST MASTERMIND"
I haven't seen anyone here claiming that Batman is God or unbeatable,but I do keep seeing counter claims for that argument, insecurity maybe,or is it lack of actual arguments?
Cap cannot tire,Cap has more experience(cause fighting fodder for 2-3 years is suddenly experience) blah blah.
Regardless Batman wins IMO,superior weaponry and equipment,stealthier by far,smarter,more skilled and close enough physically.
Cap's only true advantage is his shield,good fight but Batman takes it 7/10.@BiteMe-Fanboy said:
Batman is overrated and usually always PIS.
Aren't you the same guy who goes around bashing Nolan because" his Batman is nothing like his comicbook counterpart"? the irony.
I have to say Cap would win even though Batman has his gadgets and skill. The fact is Cap has the good sense to separate Batman from his utility belt and leave him with just his skill and the Bat suit. If Batman can get a superior footing on Cap then it will more than likely end in stalemate. I would like to put Batman against Phoenix powered Jean Grey now that would either be a short or extremely intense battle.
@SHAZAM117 said:
I've always felt in one on one, no bs, CIS or PIS Cap should be the victor after a hard fought duel. It's a debate that will go on forever tho, just like Superman vs Thor.
A toss up between Batman and Captain America is logical, because they're pretty evenly matched. However, I think it blind to say there would even be competition between Thor and Superman. Superman would win, and probably without even breaking a sweat.
@ApatheticAvenger said:
It would certainly be close, and I love both characters, but I gotta go with Batman on this one. He's a more skilled martial artist, has a superior analytical mind, and an arsenal of gadgets that put Cap's shield to shame.
Cap is stronger and faster for sure, but let's not forget that the Super-Soldier Serum enhanced him to the peak of human potential and not beyond. The level of intense training Batman has put himself through is said to make him superior to any Olympic-level athlete, so he's pretty darn close to Cap without actually equaling him.
Batman would tire before Cap, but he'd be smart enough to see that and find a way to end the fight (which is admittedly a strong possibility for a stalemate). Objectively speaking, a tie is fair proposal, but I still think the edge goes to Bats.
You basically said it all and I totally agree with you. Cap has the super-soldier serum while Bats have gadgets and his intelligence. I prefer Batman to win cause he's awesome and he's F**KING Batman
I've already had my say on this(in favor of Cap) but a really good fight to see would be Taskmaster vs Batman.
With a combination of tech, prep and tactics.... the battle would favor Batman.
However, if this is a first encounter with no prep... Captain America would be the odds on favorite.
Both are some of my favorite heroes. And both are equally impressive human beings and heroes in their own right.
In other words, depending on the circumstances... it could go either way.
Who agrees with me?
@DiversaMan said:
Cap wins this fight. Batman is more in Daredevil's weight class than Cap's, and I'm surprised that it's never been discussed before. Now Daredevil vs. Batman---that would be a close fight.
Daredevil is also in Cap's league.
He isn't Batman because he has to be he is Batman because he chooses to be Batman. Just like Steve Rodgers chooses to be Cap Batman has defeated people like Cap before like Bane who had maybe the same strength that Capetian America has.Or more thanks to the venom but doesn't have the skill that Cap does so it would be a closer fight with Captain America. But Batman has fought against Superman and won who is a lot more stronger and faster then Captain America so I'd say. That Batman will sit back and study Captain America until he finds a weakness and then struck to win the fight.
I genuinely think this fight would go on forever and never reach a conclusion. Neither man has it in him to yield to the other or give up fighting til their last breath so the only way it could possibly end is in a fatality which neither of them would even consider.
Captain America has a war hero mentality, he's a commander, but also does very well in solo fights, while Batman is well known for his martial arts combat skills and "lone ranger" style. If Batman can't take Cap quickly, I think Rogers has an advantage, since he's got more stamina and strenght than Wayne. The real problem here is who would deliver the finish blow and I believe Batman could take Captain America first, but if they were to have a rematch or something like that, Captain America would win, because he has a better strategic mind than Batman.
Batman would win. He's only a touch less capable physically, is a superior martial artist, tactician and strategist, and unlike, Cap, isn't a self-righteous douche prone to making speeches rather than actually knocking out his opponent.
One of the big advantages for bats that people seem to be forgetting. The setting, it's nighttime. Bat's has night vision and oracle / alfred in his ear 24/7. Batman earned his agility, reflexes, strength, Cap was given his. I would say that makes him more experienced. Bat's is borderline genius. As well as been able to take hits from a psychotic superman. Been thrown through a building by the kryptonian alien. I'm pretty sure bats could handle a blow by the shield. He also has his batarangs in many varieties. So he can do the distance fight temporarily. He's been able to take out armored guards firing assault rifles at him. I think he's more than capable and will triumph over cap.
"Batman always wins. Why? Because... he's Batman."
Nuff said. you quoted it yourself.
i think as a purely physical battle, it comes out even but i think batman would win. the only people who have ever come close to defeating batman had to assault him mentally and emotionally as well as physically. a boy scout like Cap could never scare or intimidate Bats, so Batman would be fighting with a completely clear head, while Cap would be struggling with the idea of fighting someone who is on the side of justice and good.
2 years ago, I would have said Batman and stood behind it with a long list of accomplishments to further the point. But New 52 Batman? I'd take seasoned Cap over nu-Bats any day.
I just want to say that this is a well written, well thought out piece. I think Batman would win the majority but not ever time and by a slim margin.
@k4tzm4n
Not to cop-out, but I think it would depend on how long the fight lasted. If batman was able to quickly size up cap, and didn't discount the shield, I think he'd go straight to some gadget/chemical thing to take cap out fast. The longer the fight lasts, the more it comes down to stamina. They might both be at some peak physical state, but unless there's a bat-serum going around I think the SSS in cap gives him the advantage in a longer term fight.
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