If there was prep time, Batman would for sure take the win. However, with no prep time, I gotta give the edge to Cap.
Does Batman always win? Batman vs Captain America
assuming both guys are at their best ( cap was kinda soft in burbakers latest run) id go with cap 8 out of 10 times. too fast. too strong. impossible to keep down. batman is only human. and no prep time.
the only way batman pulls off victories like this is because he the biggest cheater in comics.
@Asagod: I`m just sayng that Cap is vulnerable to indirect dmg whereas batman is not. and all the gadgets and tech that Batman has/uses+ his great intelect would win this fight. I know that Cap dodges bullets and stuff for a living but it`s one thing to dodge bullets from an amateur and another to dodge bullets from an equal.
Batman because Captain America thinks in a soldier perspective when he is attacked with no prep time. He thinks does whatever its takes. So he'd make mistakes with doing that because he'd take a hit whenever he could and much like in the Dark Knight Returns with the Mutant leader. It'd be a like a doctor to someone on a operating table. He'd find a way to wear down Cap then finally take him out. Because Cap is more brute with no prep time when Batman even without prep time is tactics
Awesome feature! Definitely want to see more of this but not pitted against Superman level characters :P
Personally, I'd see Cap being the victor in the fight, but otherwise it's extremely close and the conditions of battle would determine the victor. For one, Cap barely holds a physical advantage but he is also Bruce's superior in agility, acrobatics and speed. His shield gives him the greatest advantage as well. On the flip side though, Bruce is arguably more skilled, or at least more knowledgeable in regards the quantity of martial arts. Adding to that, his gadgets would help even the playing field.
People may give Cap the battle experience b/c of wars and what not, Cap is foot soldier, while Batman is the General draws out the battle plan and is capable of implementing task himself
@JoeEddie: i dont see how thats valid, its not like Cap beat those guys, i know he damn sure shouldnt
@YourNeighborhoodComicGeek said:
Love this breakdown! When will you do the next one? You should do Thor vs. Superman!
Thanks! Oh my, there's no way I'm stepping into that mess. It's called "Does Batman always win?" so as you can imagine, it'll mostly be street level. ;)
@Deranged Midget said:
Awesome feature! Definitely want to see more of this but not pitted against Superman level characters :P
Personally, I'd see Cap being the victor in the fight, but otherwise it's extremely close and the conditions of battle would determine the victor. For one, Cap barely holds a physical advantage but he is also Bruce's superior in agility, acrobatics and speed. His shield gives him the greatest advantage as well. On the flip side though, Bruce is arguably more skilled, or at least more knowledgeable in regards the quantity of martial arts. Adding to that, his gadgets would help even the playing field.
Thank you. Fear not, Superman level characters will never be featured here.
@JamesKM716 said:
Captain America is Superhuman. Physically he's better than Batman.
As someone stated before, Cap America was injected with the serum, which made him Peak Human, just like Batman, it made Cap America the top human being that any man could be. just like batman.
@FatihBATMAN: It depends on the writer's interpretation honestly.
But Cap is mildly super human. I read some stuff about it the other day.
Ed Brubaker considered Cap to be what humans could ultimately be.
@k4tzm4n: How about Deadpool vs. Deathstroke?
Captain America. Especially if it's against the New 52 Bats because I doubt he'd be on par with Cap in experience.
@k4tzm4n said:
@JamesKM716 said:
@k4tzm4n: May i formally request a Batman vs Black Panther thread
Yes, you may. I have many in mind but so far you're the second to suggest that!
@Smart_Dork_Dude said:
@k4tzm4n: Batman VS Spider-Man?
It's a possibility.
Ha Ha! Success.
I'm gonna but in here, and say that in a random encounter, wouldn't Spider-Man take the majority. There's not a ton Batman could do honestly.
@Smart_Dork_Dude:
Spider-Man would be far too fast for him, wouldn't he? Add on the spider-fu, the fact Batman can't get an edge over him because of Spider-sense, agility, way stronger than anyone he's faced before (Bane cannot lift 10 tons....), plus his smarts that have to be better than Batman's (Batman might be a detective but he's no scientist).
@k4tzm4n:
D'oh! I had a brain fart. Sorry xD
Batman vs. Master Chief?
God damn, how many times I gotta say this, Batman will always win. ALWAYS. He can beat Galactus with the glare.
This will NEVER be an even debate. Characters like Batman just have to large of a fanbase to let there be any rational discussion on it. He wins battles he f******' SHOULDN'T!!! The explanation given? He needs enough prep time. And somehow he always seems to have just that.
@The Stegman: right, but actual experience on the field and training aren't really equal. and looking beyond that, cap has been an avenger forever. he's been THE avenger forever. and batman after the new 52, at least publication-wise, has less experience then cap in an actual fight. plus cap practically leads the marvel universe. when people see him, they get out of the way so that he can solve their problems. he's like the superman of the marvel universe. this means he's been in more various situations than bats, giving him more versatility when it comes to tactical thinking. i doubt post-52 batman could ultimately take the win.
Captain America Wins Every Time Vs. Batman. Super Soldier Serum beats the best
non-meta-fighter, including Batman. It's why Steroids are illegal.
@Sammo21 said:
@Smart_Dork_Dude:
Spider-Man would be far too fast for him, wouldn't he? Add on the spider-fu, the fact Batman can't get an edge over him because of Spider-sense, agility, way stronger than anyone he's faced before (Bane cannot lift 10 tons....), plus his smarts that have to be better than Batman's (Batman might be a detective but he's no scientist).
Actually Batman is an exceptional scientist. He may not be on par with Reed Richards or Peter Parker, but their laboratory intelligence does them little good on the battlefield, where Batman's a master tactician. Not saying Batman wins; I'm just saying you're looking at intelligence the wrong way.
Blaspheme' People say Cap is physically superior, I beg to differ. Cap is at the peak of human skills. So is Bruce, one had a syrum the other trained. You say cap can lift a thousand pounds. Bats is said to be able to life a thousand also. I respect Cap i really do but even with no prep time batman is always prepared. His brain just works faster then everyone else's and he would of pulled something out from his a$$. I honestly believe bats and cap would square off bats would see he is a formidable opponent. And figure out a weakness a flaw or just simple use a smoke bomb or taser him. Bats is never caught off guard. Well except when bain snuck in the cave but he had him tired himself out with other villains before bain attacked which is a cowards move anyway. But at full potential of both charecters Bats would win hands down. I think spiderman has a better chance at beating bats then cap does simply because of his spider sense but thats it.
Great Job K4tz. I cannot wait for the next one, but in my opinion Batman said it the best [in that crossover that's off cannon or whatever] "It's clear you can beat me, but it will take you a long time." [Somewhere around those lines] So Cap wins, or it's a stalemate because it was taking too long. Any Wayyys Black Panther Vs Bats is next right? One more thing Will this be a One on One thing all the time, or will Bats be in any Handicap Matches? (+)
I would say Captain America would have the upper hand, after a long, brutal battle that was evenly matched. Reason being, is that The Cap has more stamina and endurance than Batman, who is simply human. This match-up can go either way within this battle, but if it comes down to it, Cap as fought many enormous fights including a battle against Galactus. The only way Batman can take control is if he uses his smarts, bat gadgets and is stealth through the shadows of the darkness during the fight. Even with his advantages, Cap possess super-strength, great senses, and his ricocheting shield, which will come to his advantage in this situation.
I actually discussed this with Kurt Busiek at the Emerald City Comic Con earlier this year!
In JLA/Avengers, Captain America and Batman meet, size each other up, check the other's fighting stances, then they both realize if they fight it would take a while and it's 50/50 who would win, so they decided to work together against the real enemy.
And in the DC vs. Marvel series, they do start fighting in a sewer system, but a pipe breaks and washes them away before a winner could be offically declared. HOWEVER!! Batman says a minute later he lost.
I vote for Captain America to win every time.
im goin with captain america... batman can fight better but cap as the advantage with strength, speed, reflexes, battle skills and "see faster" than regular humans, and that grants him the reflexes to use the weapon with incredibly efficiency when it comes to defensive measures. That's going to be key here considering Batman has the edge in hand-to-hand capabilities. yea cap wins
Personally, I've never seen the point of "who would win" discussions. The fact is, any decent writer could find a way for Character A to beat Character B.
While I am not going to discount Batman's genius, fighting skills, and ability to use underhanded methods--I have to say ... Captain America.
Not only is Cap stronger, faster, more agile, and doesn't tire as fast as Bats; he's a master combatant. Just because someone knows a lot of different styles doesn't mean that he can win against someone who just might be an expert in just one. In addition, Cap's fought plenty of opponents who use tools and gadgets ranging from whips to thrown projectiles and even the more conventional guns. And plenty of them have also used boomerangs, smoke bombs, knock out gas, flares, and what have you to try and grab an edge over the Sentinel of Liberty and none of them have really worked too well.
He's also fought people with superior agility and even people who have lightning fast reflexes and precognitive "danger sense" like Spider-Man; and Spidey has gotten his butt kicked because he couldn't keep up with the ricocheting shield coming at weird angles and Cap at the same time was too much for him! And Spidey has had years to see Cap use that shield in action to boot.
Just because Cap has only the one weapon; his shield doesn't exactly make it any easier to defeat. It's taken blows from Thunder Gods and energy blasts from mad Titans without a scratch. Even if he does have like a miniature Bat Bazooka is going to overcome that. Nope, I have to that physically; Cap has the edge.
Smarts, I will give you that Bats is Cap's acknowledged superior. He's a master detective and clearly not a chump when it comes to inventing machines or gadgets. However, Cap is no dummy either. He's acknowledged as a master strategist and tactician just the same as Bats and Cap has demonstrated that he can be just as underhanded and devious when he needs to be. His skill at predicting how his shield can ricochet off multiple surfaces and rebound back that would make any master of billards gape with envy would indicate that he knows how to think three or even four moves ahead; it's not that difficult to believe that he can do the same thing in a fight against an opponent so I have to say that they're about even here. Cap has fought TONS of smarter people from MODOK to the Red Skull so I have to say that Cap is no slouch in the smarts department either. Any edge that Bats has isn't that vast.
Technology is Cap's one weak point. He doesn't go around carrying a utility belt of gadgets stuffed in it. So he's going to be up against an opponent who has the technological edge and isn't afraid to exploit it from things like his Batmobiles or Batwings to try and overwhelm . But Cap has been fighting man against weaponry and war machines for years--and so far, he hasn't exactly been beaten too easily by tech and can improvise handily with whatever around. And it's not like Cap is an technological illiterate. If he's even remotely given a chance; he'll be sure to bring something to equalize the playing field. So I have to say that Bats would win at technology, but Cap is fully capable of neutralizing it with either his smarts or some ace up his sleeve of his own.
And here it comes down to the nitty gritty. Will. The will to win. To overcome your opponent. Bats has easily one of the strongest wills ever. Superman is a weak knee sissy compared to Bats. He has stared into the face of horror night after night and has never broken. Unfortunately, against anyone else I would say that he would win right off. But Captain America is a soldier. He was raised during the chaos of the Great Depression and he LIVED through World War II. He fought his way across Europe and he fully saw the horrors, the terrors, and nightmare of the battlefield itself. He saw the Nazis and their Death Camps and he survived. He saw friends, fellow soldiers die, he even lost Bucky--his partner and someone he considered like a younger brother. He was plunged like 40 years into the future and had to deal with the enormous guilt of having survived when so many died through the passage of time and had to adapt to this modern age. So yeah--Cap is doesn't have the most flexible spines either. Another weaker person might have cracked or broken, but not Cap. He endured. Advantage of Will: Cap.
Bats might get lucky. If he had the advantage of preparing his terrain in advance and loading it with all manner of traps to weaken Cap then he might be able to overcome the Star-Spangled Avenger. Otherwise, it would be a very close fight. But Captain America would beat Batman.
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