Demon Slayer: Akaza vs Muichiro
@nozak@cryolancer47 thoughts?
@redsalmon: @reaper4: @masterbuster666: @sixpathsofcapra: who can beat Akaza?Stone Hashira?
@krishnyak: I think gyomei can pull it off. Tanjiro too since he has the bright red sword
@reaper4: I have finished watching s3 demon slayer anime. Tanjiro still weaker than any hashira
I'm pretty sure Tanjiro is stronger than Shinobu or even Uzui by the end of season 3. Muichiro is hella close but probably a bit stronger.
On topic Akaza >= Rengoku > Muichiro
@krishnyak: Tanjiro improved alot later on in the series.
OT: Akaza. But Muichiro could put up a fight, assuming manga feats are allowed.
@easterlin74: nah,im still sure he is below any Hashira even in the end of s3.
@easterlin74: nah,im still sure he is below any Hashira even in the end of s3.
Shinobu is easily the weakest Hashira. She has another thing going on for her that does not help against Tanjiro (i'v read the manga but not spoiling). Tanjiro is definitely stronger than her by the end of s3. And as I said I'm not sure about Uzui. Tanjiro was kinda close already in the previous season and by the end of 3rd season he's even stronger.
@easterlin74: s3 Tanjiro ain't Hashirama level
I wonder if people actually watch or read Demon Slayer.
Akaza had issues fighting Rengoku. Muchi is already stated superior to Rengoku, and has both Red Blade and Demon Slayer mark. Meaning he is leagues better than Rengoku was and has the means to beat Akaza. Muchi already low dif Upper 5 solo. Muchi has red blade and Demon mark naturally by end of Manga. He could absolutely beat Akaza.
@sirfizzwhizz: Akaza didn't have any trouble fighting Rengoku. When Akaza actually tried to severly harm Rengoku, he did it (when he donuted Rengoku), and that was when Rengoku was using his strongest ability. Also, I haven't read the manga so I'm curious where it's stated that Muichiro is stronger than Rengoku.
@sirfizzwhizz: Akaza didn't have any trouble fighting Rengoku. When Akaza actually tried to severly harm Rengoku, he did it (when he donuted Rengoku), and that was when Rengoku was using his strongest ability. Also, I haven't read the manga so I'm curious where it's stated that Muichiro is stronger than Rengoku.
Bullshit, he had a hard time. When the sun was coming up, and akaza got caught in a bad spot, he nearly bit the dust. whether you wanna pretend he was totally unserious or not. If he was unserious then he was STUPID AS SHIT to nearly get killed in the situation.
So you accept he was serious and had a hard fight OR you accept he is dumb as dog shit and likely get killed for messing around too much.
Either way....
By the end of his fight with Kokushibou, Muichiro had seemingly gained the See Through World technique and was able to tag Koku. Thats enough for him to arguably blitz Akaza who was moving in slow motion to Tanjirou when Tanjirou first gained and used See Through World. Plus with red blade Muichiro should have no issue cutting his head off.
@sirfizzwhizz: That was an amped rengoku.
And again, can I see the scan where it says Muichiro>Rengoku?
@sirfizzwhizz: That was an amped rengoku.
And again, can I see the scan where it says Muichiro>Rengoku?
How was Rengoku "amped"? He had no Transparent World, Demon Mark, nor Red Blade. All three major amps that Muichiro has. Not to mention Muchiro and Gyomi are the two strongest Hashira and already stated as fact above Rengoku.
So what "amp"? I will wait.
By the of his fight with Kokushibou, Muichiro had seemingly gained the See Through World technique and was able to tag Koku. Thats enough for him to arguably blitz Akaza who was moving in slow motion to Tanjirou when Tanjirou first gained and used See Through World. Plus with red blade Muichiro should have no issue cutting his head off.
BINGO
@sirfizzwhizz: You don't need a transformation to have an amp. It was just a mental amp after he got a flashback of his mom. Anime style. Plus it wouldn't make sense for Rengoku, after being heavily weakened, to be able to match Akaza when before he was getting beaten by Akaza whilst in a better physical state, and also when he used his strongest attack he got clapped. Unless you trying to argue that Rengoku severly damaged>Akaza finally trying to severly wound rengoku>Rengoku strongest attack>Akaza playing around>Rengoku (without damage)
Again, Where's the scan that states that Muichiro is stronger than rengoku And/or the scan where it says that muichiro is one of the strongest hashira?
@numbersmatter: in Anime when Tengin is fighting Gyutaro he states he is not talented as a Hashira and the anime specifically show Gyomi and Muchirio as the most talented Hashira. Rangoku was never shown in their league.
A anime amp is nonsense. Transparent World is an actual amp. Demon Mark is a actual amp. Red Blade is a super amp vs Upper Moons. All shit Rengoku never had.
@sirfizzwhizz: Talent =/= Power
It's been stated multiple times in DS that characters can get amped once they are near death
On top of that, Rengoku was clearly amped since he went from getting casually bitched by Akaza to blatantly overpowering him
@pizzagod342: look even if you want to say he was amped so what? In a battle facing death that means Muchiro be amped too facing near death. With the amps.of Tranparent World, Red Blade, Demon Mark, and greater talent than any other Hashira. So what does it matter? Muchiro facing near death with all the amps and greater skill, as well unique breathing style unlike Rengoku,
Rengoku had a mental amp.
Muchiro will have mental amp too, Transparent World, Red Blade, Demon Mark, unique Mist Breathing, and greater Talent.
Which one is better here and will preform way better vs Akaza?
look even if you want to say he was amped so what?
Isn't your argument based on Muichiro being stronger then Rengoku?
Rengoku being amped nulls that argument
In a battle facing death that means Muchiro be amped too facing near death
It's a stretch to say that Muichiro would manage to get close enough to death to get amped
lots of Characters have died without getting the amp
With the amps.of Tranparent World, Red Blade, Demon Mark, and greater talent than any other Hashira
His talent means nothing
Transparent World isn't an amp, it just increases perception speed, Red blade isn't an amp either
Marked Muichiro is blatantly weaker then base Sanemi
Muchiro facing near death with all the amps and greater skill, as well unique breathing style unlike Rengoku,
Muichiro doesn't have greater skill
And where are you getting "unique breathing style" from, none of the breathing styles are superior to one another with the exception of Sun breathing,
On top of that, Akaza had never encountered Sun breathing or Flame breathing before he fought Rengoku and Tanjiro, New breathing styles aren't a threat to him
Which one is better here and will preform way better vs Akaza?
You really like talking about the Rengoku fight when Akaza fought marked Giyu and marked Tanjiro and would have won if he didn't kill himself
Isn't your argument based on Muichiro being stronger then Rengoku?
He is being better swordsmen and breathing user by default. Rengoku barely kept up with Upper 3, where Muchi blitz, yes blitz, Upper 5 while poisoned and out of air from drowning damn near. So yes, Muchi is better in every way in statements and feats.
Rengoku being amped nulls that argument
Not really when Muchi did the same vs Upper 5. He was near death, got serious, and wrecked house.
In a battle facing death that means Muchiro be amped too facing near death
It's a stretch to say that Muichiro would manage to get close enough to death to get amped
lots of Characters have died without getting the amp
His talent means nothing
Apparently it does, why would Tengin mention it and the anime show them two Hashira as being superior to others according to Tengin? Clearly it matters. Though you will continue to say it does not just to make a flimsy counter argument.
Transparent World isn't an amp, it just increases perception speed,
Increases move reading and speed, sounds like the definition of a amp.
Red blade isn't an amp either
Considering Red Blade does more damage to Upper Moons and can beat them, yes its a needed Amp Rengoku does not have.
Marked Muichiro is blatantly weaker then base Sanemi
Marked Muichiro being weaker than Sanemi means shit to me. We are discussing Rengoku preformance to Akaza and how Muchiro is way better than Rengoku in every way, as well the small fact Muchiro EASY blitz Upper 5 Moon by himself with Demon mark and Red Blade. Fact is having a Mark, Tranparent World, with Red Blade makes you stronger, faster, and more effective against upper moons to non mark ones. Rengoku having non of that.
Muichiro doesn't have greater skill
Sure does.
And where are you getting "unique breathing style" from, none of the breathing styles are superior to one another with the exception of Sun breathing,
Mist Breathing is something not seen by many demons. Gyokko was confuse by the breathing style of Muchiro, where Fire, Wind, Earth, Thunder, and Water are a dime a dozen breathing styles from past 100s of years and Gyokko killing 7 Hashira himself in his life. Basic logic and understanding
On top of that, Akaza had never encountered Sun breathing or Flame breathing before he fought Rengoku and Tanjiro, New breathing styles aren't a threat to him
When the Breathing style is mean to evade and confuse your foes with its movements, something Sun nor Fire have going for them, kinda matters. Again basic logic. Use it. Fire, Water, Thunder, ect been around as styles since Sun Breathing was first discovered. Mist Breathing is very unique to those older styles and made to confuse the enemy on actual location. It was super effective and freak out Gyokko who laugh off the other basic styles of those he fought before hand.
You really like talking about the Rengoku fight when Akaza fought marked Giyu and marked Tanjiro and would have won if he didn't kill himself
Tanjiro is a bitch till he fights Muzan truth be told. He is a bitch right now in Swrodsmith arc with the next arc right around the corner. Tanjiro is pure plot armor, not raw stats and skill. Meanwhile Akaza is the same freaking power level as Mugin train arc yet Rengoku gave and nearly killed the demon. Muchiro has way better chance and soloed a Upper 5 easy by himself, the only Hashira who done so actually.
He is being better swordsmen and breathing user by default. Rengoku barely kept up with Upper 3, where Muchi blitz, yes blitz, Upper 5 while poisoned and out of air from drowning damn near. So yes, Muchi is better in every way in statements and feats.
...Akaza is far stronger then Gyokko
Not really when Muchi did the same vs Upper 5. He was near death, got serious, and wrecked house
He didn't death amp himself, he unlocked his mark, which is a different amp
"In a battle facing death that means Muchiro be amped too facing near death
It's a stretch to say that Muichiro would manage to get close enough to death to get amped
lots of Characters have died without getting the amp"
You just copy/pasted that from my post and it's confusing me
Apparently it does, why would Tengin mention it and the anime show them two Hashira as being superior to others according to Tengin? Clearly it matters. Though you will continue to say it does not just to make a flimsy counter argument.
It matters to the plot and to Tengen because Muichiro can get a lot stronger in months while other characters take years
It doesn't matter to this fight since how fast he can get stronger has no effect on how strong he is now
Increases move reading and speed, sounds like the definition of a amp.
seeing in slow motion doesn't amp your power
Considering Red Blade does more damage to Upper Moons and can beat them, yes its a needed Amp Rengoku does not have.
You don't know what an amp is
And you don't need red blade to beat uppermoons, nor does having red blade mean that you can automatically kill them
Marked Muichiro being weaker than Sanemi means shit to me.
It should mean more
Since Akaza beat marked Giyu who is > base Sanemi
are discussing Rengoku preformance to Akaza and how Muchiro is way better than Rengoku in every way
Because he has more abilities?
That isn't an argument
Mist Breathing is something not seen by many demons. Gyokko was confuse by the breathing style of Muchiro, where Fire, Wind, Earth, Thunder, and Water are a dime a dozen breathing styles from past 100s of years and Gyokko killing 7 Hashira himself in his life. Basic logic and understanding
The 5 breathing styles aren't dime a dozen, Akaza never encountering a flame hashira before Rengoku and flame breathing only being passed through the Rengoku family are proof of this
When the Breathing style is mean to evade and confuse your foes with its movements
That's the purpose of his clothes and one move, not his entire breathing style
Compass needle is a far more dangerous technique then Mist Breathing anyway
It was super effective and freak out Gyokko who laugh off the other basic styles of those he fought before hand.
Gyokko never fought anyone other then Muichiro on screen so I don't know where you're getting this from
Tanjiro is a bitch till he fights Muzan truth be told. He is a bitch right now in Swrodsmith arc with the next arc right around the corner. Tanjiro is pure plot armor, not raw stats and skill.
Tanjiro could fight Sanemi even before his Gyomei training, which already puts him above Muichiro
One scales to Upper Moon 1 the other is Weaker than Upper Moon 2. Simple scale, Muichiro would fold him in his wounded, One armed, Bleeding out, Marked and STW state
Edit: Dear God don't let him get a red blade neither, Kokushibo has Far greater Regen than Akaza (Stronger the demon the better the Regen as Implied by Rengoku back during Mugen train) and he couldn't heal his Wound caused by Muichiro. Which would mean it takes one hit from Muichiro to end the fight.
@numbersmatter: in Anime when Tengin is fighting Gyutaro he states he is not talented as a Hashira and the anime specifically show Gyomi and Muchirio as the most talented Hashira. Rangoku was never shown in their league.
A anime amp is nonsense. Transparent World is an actual amp. Demon Mark is a actual amp. Red Blade is a super amp vs Upper Moons. All shit Rengoku never had.
Talent=/=power nor does it really affect ap/dc and speed. It's just potential.
It's not though? and it was in the manga too iirc, and I alr said this, amp=/=transformation.
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