DC Strength ratings (DC Adventures: Heroes and Villains Vol. 2)

Here they are. Do you take issue with any? Why or why not?

Mon-el = 18

Lobo = 16

Major Force = 17

Martian Manhunter = 16

Miss Martian = 14

Monarch = 20 (!)

Mongul = 14

Orion = 16

Power Girl = 17

Sabbac = 18

Solomon Grundy = 18

Spectre = 16 (?)

Starro = 14

Superboy = 15

Supergirl = 15

Superman = 19

Donna Troy = 15

Ultra Boy = 2/17

Wonder Girl = 14

Wonder Woman = 16

Superman isn't stronger than Lobo is, or Martian, or Orion or Mon El.

@Morpheus_: I just double-checked. The 14 is for the starfish itself. Starro the Conqueror is a 16. My apologies.

Im confused about Spectre

@Immortal777: As am I. As am I...

(Rassafrassin' Phantom Stranger doesn't get stats but Spectre does?)

@Dex_Starr said:

Superman isn't stronger than Lobo is, or Martian, or Orion or Mon El.

Yeah

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

Lobo = 16

Major Force = 17

WTF Lobo is not BELOW MF

Spectre's only a 16?

Mongul's only a 14?

@blackadamFTW: I can buy a 14 for Post-Crisis, Pre-Flashpoint Mongul Sr. His claim to fame was defeating a severely depowered Superman.

I still can't get over the Spectre though.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@blackadamFTW: I can buy a 14 for Post-Crisis, Pre-Flashpoint Mongul Sr. His claim to fame was defeating a severely depowered Superman.

I still can't get over the Spectre though.

But then again teh Spectre is less to do with "physical strength" and more force of will. When he has to do a physical feat he moves it with his will/ TP?

@beatboks1 said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Superman isn't stronger than Lobo is, or Martian, or Orion or Mon El.

Yeah

In pure strength I don't mind Superman being listed higher than the Martian really. I just don't think the difference is enough for them to have them in separate ranks.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: What is DC adventures?

@beatboks1: Call me old-fashioned, but I believe the wrath of God should get maxed stats. They didn't have stats for Mxyzptlk or fraggin' Neron.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@beatboks1: Call me old-fashioned, but I believe the wrath of God should get maxed stats. They didn't have stats for Mxyzptlk or fraggin' Neron.

Totally agree.

@vuviper: It's a paper and pencil Role Playing Game. To be fair though, they do acknowledge that many fans may disagree with their decisions and that they were going for an "iconic" feel.

Also, it is a game so they need to put some numbers down.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@vuviper: It's a paper and pencil Role Playing Game. To be fair though, they do acknowledge that many fans may disagree with their decisions and that they were going for an "iconic" feel.

Also, it is a game so they need to put some numbers down.

Well I think they probably do a better job than Heroclix haha

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@beatboks1: Call me old-fashioned, but I believe the wrath of God should get maxed stats. They didn't have stats for Mxyzptlk or fraggin' Neron.

I feel the same way.

what does the scouter say about captain marvel. wonderwoman.black adam. aquaman. maxima. giganta.and cyborgs power levels nappa.e3e

Most of this is false.

Is this official?

@vuviper: True, but HeroClix is fun in the same vein as Marvel vs. Capcom 3.

@Aero_gt: I don't own Volume 1 which is A-K in alphabetical order so I don't know.

Yes, I bought it because Lobo was in it.

@blackadamFTW said:

Spectre's only a 16?

Mongul's only a 14?

I don't belive this.

@Immortal777 said:

Im confused about Spectre

Same.

@Dex_Starr said:

Superman isn't stronger than Lobo is, or Martian, or Orion or Mon El.

Why? He is stronger than Martian Manhunter and Mon-El, but i don't know about Orion or Lobo.

@venomoushatred1001: I'm lifting it directly from the book. You have my word I am not lying.

@RyuHayabusa: I don't know. I take it with as much value as I do the Marvel 7 point rating system.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: I can't find this book at DCcomics. Where did you get this?

@RyuHayabusa: I bought it for $49.95 plus tax at my local gaming/comicbook store.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Who is publisher?

@RyuHayabusa: Green Ronin Publishing

815 S. Othello St.

Suite 100 #304

Seattle, WA 98118

www.greenronin.com

www.mutantsandmasterminds.com

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@RyuHayabusa: Green Ronin Publishing

815 S. Othello St.

Suite 100 #304

Seattle, WA 98118

www.greenronin.com

www.mutantsandmasterminds.com

From Wikipedia.

Green Ronin Publishing is an American company based in Seattle, Washington. Founded in 2000 by Chris Pramas, they have published several role-playing game–related products. They have won several awards for their games including multiple Origins, ENnie, Pen & Paper, and Inquest Fan Awards.

why supergirl weaker than wonder woman,and why powergirl stronger than lobo

@jeanroygrant said:

@Dex_Starr said:

Superman isn't stronger than Lobo is, or Martian, or Orion or Mon El.

Why? He is stronger than Martian Manhunter and Mon-El, but i don't know about Orion or Lobo.

Not enough stronger than MM or Mon el to be in a different strength class. As for Lobo, he's shown to be stronger than Mon-el, knock captain marvel around and move the mass of a star (superman needed MM and WW to help him move Earth). Orion and Lobo in a clash are pretty damn even.

@beatboks1: I half-expected Orion to be equal to Superman.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@beatboks1: I half-expected Orion to be equal to Superman.

I would say Orion, Lobo and Supe's should all be on the same level. I could justify MM and Mon-El being both 1 below AT the most.

I just checked the Hero's Handbook, and it listed Black Adam and Captain Marvel as 19, and Darkseid as 18.

WTF

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

I just checked the Hero's Handbook, and it listed Black Adam and Captain Marvel as 19, and Darkseid as 18.

WTF

I think if Supes is 19 those two should be 19, but Darkseid should at least be 19.

@blackadamFTW: Sorry if I gave the impression that I disagreed with the Marvels being as strong.

What I was getting at was Darkseid. I'd personally give him a 20 but is 19 too much to ask for?

@Immortal777 said:

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@beatboks1: Call me old-fashioned, but I believe the wrath of God should get maxed stats. They didn't have stats for Mxyzptlk or fraggin' Neron.

I feel the same way.

I think the point was this being a strength rating, Spectre of course is WAYYY more powerful, i mean come on Dc Writers dont believe Spectre < Superman

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@blackadamFTW: Sorry if I gave the impression that I disagreed with the Marvels being as strong.

What I was getting at was Darkseid. I'd personally give him a 20 but is 19 too much to ask for?

Agreed.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

I just checked the Hero's Handbook, and it listed Black Adam and Captain Marvel as 19, and Darkseid as 18.

WTF

So Spectre is below all superman level being, thats not gonna make Spectre very happy you know.

Also HAH! for Darksied , an underage is stronger than him .

@Killemall: He's still superstrong and I've yet to see him fail to lift anything mundane. It strikes me as odd that the Sprit of Vengeance wouldn't be equipped with enough strength to perform any task.

Meh, just my opinion.

@fangirl101 said:

@a88378438: Supergirl has always been weaker than WW.

Come on the same rating also says Power Girl is stronger than WW (not to mention even stronger than Spectre) , o_O. Come on even you cant buy this rating.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@Killemall: He's still superstrong and I've yet to see him fail to lift anything mundane. It strikes me as odd that the Sprit of Vengeance wouldn't be equipped with enough strength to perform any task.

Meh, just my opinion.

Makes perfect sense though, i have to admit my knoweledge of Spectre is very limited i only know him from Spectre Volume 4 and few of his appearences in major comic book cross-over and havent seen him lift anything. This rating looks awkard, its all out of whack.

Coz yeah power girl (17) is stronger than Starro (16), Lobo (16), Martian Manhunter (16), Orion (16), and Wonder Woman (16) , what's see been eating lately Popeye's spinich?

@Killemall: If she's Pre-Crisis I could see her as a lot stronger. I'm still confused by the whole Earth-2 dealie-yo.

But yeah. A lot of 16's, and they even state in Lobo's bio that he has enough strength to go toe to toe with Superman.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@Killemall: If she's Pre-Crisis I could see her as a lot stronger. I'm still confused by the whole Earth-2 dealie-yo.

But yeah. A lot of 16's, and they even state in Lobo's bio that he has enough strength to go toe to toe with Superman.

Can you take a picture of this book rating and post a scan . I am finding this hard to believe Lobo / Orion/ Darkseid and i know mon el is strong but Darkseid should be at least 20+ / Super girl should be higher i know power girl is strong but not stronger than wonder woman . The Marvels too wow yeah i might need to see some picture o scans if you could. Does this book show any other Stats liek speed and power energy blast and all

@termiteone4ever said:

Can you take a picture of this book rating and post a scan . I am finding this hard to believe Lobo / Orion/ Darkseid and i know mon el is strong but Darkseid should be at least 20+ / Super girl should be higher i know power girl is strong but not stronger than wonder woman . The Marvels too wow yeah i might need to see some picture o scans if you could. Does this book show any other Stats liek speed and power energy blast and all

Darkseid cant be 20+ when Monarch is only 20. I mean come on Darkseid isnt stronger than Monarch.

@termiteone4ever: It indeed lists a bunch of stats. I just focused on physical strength.

Darkseid can't be over 20 because 20 is the limit. I too disagree with a lot of them.

But, as a friend of mine pointed out: while Darkseid may be one point weaker than Superman in strength, he makes Kal look bad in just about every other area.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@termiteone4ever: It indeed lists a bunch of stats. I just focused on physical strength.

Darkseid can't be over 20 because 20 is the limit. I too disagree with a lot of them.

But, as a friend of mine pointed out: while Darkseid may be one point weaker than Superman in strength, he makes Kal look bad in just about every other area.

I may be exaggerating a bit when i say over 20 but the Monarch yes i agree with his strength level he can be 22 and i still wouldnt say a word but in all fact darkseid should be higher higher. Whats the name of this book the title and all send me the link something so i can pick it up one day order it . Now even if he makes Kal looks bad in other sections its not good enough i recall darkseid reading him back in the days superman couldnt match this man in speed or power strength wasnt even close . Now the Spectre i think when spectre is earth bound thats his normal strength with out his full powers because i recall again in vengeance CPT Marvel gave everything he had and was about to die Until thats girl powered him up with every high level magic user evil and good and it still wasnt enough. Still it got me raising eye brows . Superman as always the freak of nature and wonder woman yeah she should be stronger too like 18 and supergirl 17 and power girl a 18 she has always been a power house . But lobo he should 19 too.

This has nothing to do with dc real stats on strength

@Killemall said:

@termiteone4ever said:

Can you take a picture of this book rating and post a scan . I am finding this hard to believe Lobo / Orion/ Darkseid and i know mon el is strong but Darkseid should be at least 20+ / Super girl should be higher i know power girl is strong but not stronger than wonder woman . The Marvels too wow yeah i might need to see some picture o scans if you could. Does this book show any other Stats liek speed and power energy blast and all

Darkseid cant be 20+ when Monarch is only 20. I mean come on Darkseid isnt stronger than Monarch.

YEah i know i was just been Silly . Monarch is powerful and strong for sure. I am just saying . Monarch should be like 25. In all seriousness i think this book but must be based of the RPG or game but i dont see this been the actual DC ongoing series

@termiteone4ever: Um, dude? The title contains the name of the book. I've posted that it's for an RPG, and I provided links on a previous page.