Darth Vader & Master Chief vs. Samus & Solid Snake

vs.

Both teams have amazing fighters with amazing abilites. Battle takes place in an abandoned air base. Both have 20 minutes prep. MC has an assault rifle, dual pistols, and 4 frag grenades. Who wins?

i feel like team 2 might be a little too fast for team 1, but lets hear what you guys think!

I'm an xbox guy. What is Solid Snake capable of? Has he any feats to put him at MC level? Just curious.

Are we dealing with certain versions of the character or with handicaps? Cause right now I'm seeing Vader soloing....with ease....

@MonsterStomp: he basically has great stamina and endurance, a war commando, stealthy, like a ninja, weapons expert, and equipment expert, i dont know how he would face against mc, but it'd be interesting

@fatalsniper728: MC has every known honor medal you can get in the 25th century except for the Prisoner of War, indicating that he's a great leader/strategist/tactical analyst etc At the age of 14 he flawed 4 highly trained soldiers before anyone could land a hit on him. Augmentation only improves from then. I don't think SS has what it takes. MC has a motion radar to counter Snakes "stealth". Not sure what Snake is doing here really.

Solid Snake is a none factor in this fight. It's basically a two on one and team one wins.

@fatalsniper728 said:

i feel like team 2 might be a little too fast for team 1, but lets hear what you guys think!

A bit faster? Vader can kill them all before they can react.

In a straight up fight MC would wreck Snake as much as I love him. While he certainly can do firefights, his true strength shows through his stealth tactics. That being said, Vader could probably take Samus and Snake alone due to his heightened physical stats attributed to his virtually unmatched mastery of the force. He can deflect and dodge lasers with ease so guns should be no problem.

@Juiceboks: do you think strategy would work in this match ? i don't want it to be a stomp fight

Team 1 takes this, Samus kind of got a raw deal beign stuck with Snake.

Vader solos...especially if we can use comic feats as cannon here.

@fatalsniper728

Snake is a tactical genius. With prep he could set up the perimeter with land mines, tripwires and such that could incapacitate and possibly kill MC but I doubt it would do much to Vader. Then it becomes a 2v1 but in a good battle I truly believe Vader would come out on top.

This is a mismatch. Vader stomps. Flagged.

@Kingjohnrocks: i guess i should've thought this one better

Aren't most of solid snakes main enemies like low level superhumans/or androids

@BobSaysHi25: yeah some of them

@fatalsniper728: I kinda figured that so I say team 2 might stand a chance if Darth Vader doesn't go all Force crazy on the 2 of them.

@Juiceboks said:

In a straight up fight MC would wreck Snake as much as I love him. While he certainly can do firefights, his true strength shows through his stealth tactics. That being said, Vader could probably take Samus and Snake alone due to his heightened physical stats attributed to his virtually unmatched mastery of the force. He can deflect and dodge lasers with ease so guns should be no problem.

Gray Fox was murdering dozens of armed soldiers at once with a knife before he hit puberty. Handling four guys really isn't anything to brag about at all. Snake is more skilled in CQC than Master Chief and also a better marksman. The only thing that makes it iffy is MC's armor.

Pretty sure Vader can force choke all three of them though.

@Alurvelve said:

Solid Snake is a none factor in this fight. It's basically a two on one and team one wins.

How do you figure that?

@nickzambuto

And John was beating up trained marines when he was 14. Fact is that he's superhuman while Snake is only human and in a melee fight Snake would get his camouflaged behind handed to him. The only areas Snake can best him in are strategy, tactics and MAYBE marksmanship.

samus would beat master chief but lose against Vader, Vader could solo everyone here

@Juiceboks: Snake actually picked up a tank turret: http://www.comicvine.com/forums/solid-snake/1227/solid-snake-respect-thread/725340/

@XLR87T3

Wow thats pretty impressive. I dont know how much that tank turret weighs though so its hard to gauge how strong he has to be to accomplish that. I guess you could say he is superhuman in a sense due to all the soldier serums he uses. Though I dont think hes on MC's level in strength considering the fact that he lifted a Scorpion which is supposed to weigh 66 tons.

@Juiceboks said:

@nickzambuto

And John was beating up trained marines when he was 14. Fact is that he's superhuman while Snake is only human and in a melee fight Snake would get his camouflaged behind handed to him. The only areas Snake can best him in are strategy, tactics and MAYBE marksmanship.

And Vader has cut down skilled Jedi down effortlessly, can move at a very fast speed, etc. Those Marines wouldn't have needed to get beat up. Vader would wave his hand, choke them then break their necks.

Vader solos via speed blitz or he could just telekinetically crush them, if we are using the EU feats.

@fatalsniper728 said:

i feel like team 2 might be a little too fast for team 1, but lets hear what you guys think!

That's not saying much. Master Chief and Samus are both fast, but the other fighters aren't. Besides Solid Snake is the weak link on this team, Samus has to pull all the weight

@MonsterStomp said:

I'm an xbox guy. What is Solid Snake capable of? Has he any feats to put him at MC level? Just curious.

he's a really good soldier, which doesn't do him much good in this fight

Samus

MC/Snake are non factors

@Rumble Man said:

Samus

MC/Snake are non factors

@Rumble Man: what about snake vs. chief ?

@fatalsniper728:

make another thread for that (if not already made)

@SUNMAN said:

@fatalsniper728 said:

i feel like team 2 might be a little too fast for team 1, but lets hear what you guys think!

That's not saying much. Master Chief and Samus are both fast, but the other fighters aren't. Besides Solid Snake is the weak link on this team, Samus has to pull all the weight

Woah, wait a second......

Vader possesses far faster reaction and combat speed than either John-117 or Samus. He's moved so fast that Jedi Knights/Masters with Force enhanced speed and reflexes haven't registered his movements. Keep in mind that an average Jedi Master can cover a distance of 100 meters in a second when augmenting their speed with the Force.

That would mean, by logic, that their reflexes would have to be operating at a similarly heightened state. Vader has to be at least a few times faster in burst speed to overwhelm a Master's reflexes to the point that they cannot react to his movements, given that most, if not all trained Force Users have battle precognition.

Vader solos the team. His raw telekinetic power is enough to crush Snake and Samus with ease. Or he could simply speedblitz

@steelhound56 said:

@SUNMAN said:

@fatalsniper728 said:

i feel like team 2 might be a little too fast for team 1, but lets hear what you guys think!

That's not saying much. Master Chief and Samus are both fast, but the other fighters aren't. Besides Solid Snake is the weak link on this team, Samus has to pull all the weight

Woah, wait a second......

Vader possesses far faster reaction and combat speed than either John-117 or Samus. He's moved so fast that Jedi Knights/Masters with Force enhanced speed and reflexes haven't registered his movements. Keep in mind that an average Jedi Master can cover a distance of 100 meters in a second when augmenting their speed with the Force.

That would mean, by logic, that their reflexes would have to be operating at a similarly heightened state. Vader has to be at least a few times faster in burst speed to overwhelm a Master's reflexes to the point that they cannot react to his movements, given that most, if not all trained Force Users have battle precognition.

Vader solos the team. His raw telekinetic power is enough to crush Snake and Samus with ease. Or he could simply speedblitz

I go by the movies not the extended universe its way to inconsistant, and the canon system is a joke

@ShootingNova@JamesKM716@MorganFreeman@shroudofsorrow@Silver2467

@SUNMAN: If you go by only the movies then you are limited by 70's and 80's special effects, and that is not an accurate representation of Vader's power. I don't think it's fair to categorically remove the EU from the equation, and there is a level of consistency when it comes to what Vader can or cannot do.

But even if you only go by the movie versions, Vader can instantly force-choke either Samus or Snake, making this automatically 2 v. 1 in Team 1's favor.

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@SUNMAN: If you go by only the movies then you are limited by 70's and 80's special effects, and that is not an accurate representation of Vader's power. I don't think it's fair to categorically remove the EU from the equation, and there is a level of consistency when it comes to what Vader can or cannot do.

But even if you only go by the movie versions, Vader can instantly force-choke either Samus or Snake, making this automatically 2 v. 1 in Team 1's favor.

I didn't even mention Vader in this fight. All that was implied by my previos post was that he wasn't as quick as Master Chief or Samus. I meant that in terms of running/sprinting. Also I said Snake was the weak link here, which is true Snake gets destroyed by any of the other fighters.

I know Vaders got all his force mojo. Star Wars canon is a mess and ever changing on George Lucas' whims. I just stick with the movies. Yeah they were made in the 70s, can't change that they are what they are.

Also I don't really like doing fights with videogame characters for various reasons. Just let it be known whatever player I'm controlling will win

@Juiceboks said:

@nickzambuto

And John was beating up trained marines when he was 14. Fact is that he's superhuman while Snake is only human and in a melee fight Snake would get his camouflaged behind handed to him. The only areas Snake can best him in are strategy, tactics and MAYBE marksmanship.

no, snake actually is a genetically enhanced soldier, though i agree that MC is superior to him.

@rolldestroyer

Yea I forgot about his soldier enhancements. Havent played a MSG game since I was getting freaked out by Psycho Mantis back in the day.

@Juiceboks said:

@rolldestroyer

Yea I forgot about his soldier enhancements. Havent played a MSG game since I was getting freaked out by Psycho Mantis back in the day.

LMAO

Vader solos with the force.

@SUNMAN said:

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@SUNMAN: If you go by only the movies then you are limited by 70's and 80's special effects, and that is not an accurate representation of Vader's power. I don't think it's fair to categorically remove the EU from the equation, and there is a level of consistency when it comes to what Vader can or cannot do.

But even if you only go by the movie versions, Vader can instantly force-choke either Samus or Snake, making this automatically 2 v. 1 in Team 1's favor.

I didn't even mention Vader in this fight. All that was implied by my previos post was that he wasn't as quick as Master Chief or Samus. I meant that in terms of running/sprinting. Also I said Snake was the weak link here, which is true Snake gets destroyed by any of the other fighters.

I know Vaders got all his force mojo. Star Wars canon is a mess and ever changing on George Lucas' whims. I just stick with the movies. Yeah they were made in the 70s, can't change that they are what they are.

Also I don't really like doing fights with videogame characters for various reasons. Just let it be known whatever player I'm controlling will win

EU is canon, weather you like it or not, weather you think it's opinion or not, It' CANON. EU vader solos.

Vader is too powerfull for them.

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@SUNMAN said:

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@SUNMAN: If you go by only the movies then you are limited by 70's and 80's special effects, and that is not an accurate representation of Vader's power. I don't think it's fair to categorically remove the EU from the equation, and there is a level of consistency when it comes to what Vader can or cannot do.

But even if you only go by the movie versions, Vader can instantly force-choke either Samus or Snake, making this automatically 2 v. 1 in Team 1's favor.

I didn't even mention Vader in this fight. All that was implied by my previos post was that he wasn't as quick as Master Chief or Samus. I meant that in terms of running/sprinting. Also I said Snake was the weak link here, which is true Snake gets destroyed by any of the other fighters.

I know Vaders got all his force mojo. Star Wars canon is a mess and ever changing on George Lucas' whims. I just stick with the movies. Yeah they were made in the 70s, can't change that they are what they are.

Also I don't really like doing fights with videogame characters for various reasons. Just let it be known whatever player I'm controlling will win

EU is canon, weather you like it or not, weather you think it's opinion or not, It' CANON. EU vader solos.

What level of canon Star Wars has like 7 levels of canon. I don't even think the word canon has the same meaning when applied to Star Wars outside of the films........which Lucas also has edited

@SUNMAN said:

@Kingjohnrocks said:

@SUNMAN said:

@Manhunter_Prime said:

@SUNMAN: If you go by only the movies then you are limited by 70's and 80's special effects, and that is not an accurate representation of Vader's power. I don't think it's fair to categorically remove the EU from the equation, and there is a level of consistency when it comes to what Vader can or cannot do.

But even if you only go by the movie versions, Vader can instantly force-choke either Samus or Snake, making this automatically 2 v. 1 in Team 1's favor.

I didn't even mention Vader in this fight. All that was implied by my previos post was that he wasn't as quick as Master Chief or Samus. I meant that in terms of running/sprinting. Also I said Snake was the weak link here, which is true Snake gets destroyed by any of the other fighters.

I know Vaders got all his force mojo. Star Wars canon is a mess and ever changing on George Lucas' whims. I just stick with the movies. Yeah they were made in the 70s, can't change that they are what they are.

Also I don't really like doing fights with videogame characters for various reasons. Just let it be known whatever player I'm controlling will win

EU is canon, weather you like it or not, weather you think it's opinion or not, It' CANON. EU vader solos.

What level of canon Star Wars has like 7 levels of canon. I don't even think the word canon has the same meaning when applied to Star Wars outside of the films........which Lucas also has edited

C-Canon- (Continuity Canon). This is the basic canon. This includes everything else that is confirmed to be in continuity, i.e., novels, comics, sourcebooks/handbooks, video games, etc.

credit goes to Silver2467

even if vader might be the most powerful, its still an interesting fight

@Juiceboks: That was game mechanics, Master Chief lifting the tank.

@Juiceboks said:

@nickzambuto

And John was beating up trained marines when he was 14. Fact is that he's superhuman while Snake is only human and in a melee fight Snake would get his camouflaged behind handed to him. The only areas Snake can best him in are strategy, tactics and MAYBE marksmanship.

You don't seem to understand. Master Chief beating up 4 Marines is not impressive, in fact, if that's the best he can do then it's just a testament to how unskilled he is compared to Solid Snake. Like I said, Frank Jaeger was slaughtering dozens of armed soldiers at a time long before the age of 14. Frank was better than John at half his age, let alone both in they're prime. MC should have a stat advantage, but it's nothing the skill gap can't solve.

@Juiceboks said:

@XLR87T3

Wow thats pretty impressive. I dont know how much that tank turret weighs though so its hard to gauge how strong he has to be to accomplish that. I guess you could say he is superhuman in a sense due to all the soldier serums he uses. Though I dont think hes on MC's level in strength considering the fact that he lifted a Scorpion which is supposed to weigh 66 tons.

He didn't lift a tank turret. That was a Rail Gun, which packed the recoil equivalent to a tank turret. Firing that thing without even stuttering shows how much beyond peak human Snake is. Isn't MC flipping tanks just game mechanics? Either way, Master Chief is still stronger, but Snake is much faster and more skilled.

@fatalsniper728: Vader solos

@fatalsniper728 said:

even if vader might be the most powerful, its still an interesting fight

It's like saying a lion vs 2 ants.. Vader is the lion and kills everyone, including Master Chief then goes off to bombard some more planets.

@nickzambuto

Killing soldiers with a knife while impressive in its own right, isnt the same as beating up ODST's emptyhandedly. How trained were the men he killed? ODST's are the best troops the UNSC has save for the Spartans. John also did a similar thing when he beat down a group of armed marines with stones when he was 8 so there's that. In skill I can see Snake taking that category though but not by much.