Darth Sidious vs Blue Marvel

EU feats for Sidious, comic feats for Blue Marvel. Both are in character with their standard gear. Blue Marvel is not allowed to use flight. Win by KO or death.

Who wins and why?

sids

Sidous

Sidious.

Darth Siddels

Let's see, do I approve of this... hmmm... no

sidious ftw

Bm Definitely needs more feats.

No one thinks Blue Marvel takes this??

Sidious

TP, Darth Sidious, otherwise Blue Marvel wins...

What!? Why wouldn't BM just bitch slap him to the moon?

Blue Marvel stomps. Any Superman level being stomps any force user from Star Wars, even the top tiers.

Sidious via essence transfer.

:O

Sidious should be able to take this...

LOLz for real in here. Marvel in a ridiculous one shot over the old man. I'd need some palpatine fan in here to present evidence to the contrary. How would sidious even hurt BM?

BM unless Sidious can go for the TP immediately

@erkan12: superman can easily lose to most Jedi. Sidious just goes above and beyond. You know the force is basic reality warp. The more adept you are at it the more you control reality.

@noah_ouellette: Force has limits, such as manipulating a huge space ship etc. No force user ever used the force at planetary levels (except Nihilus's force drain), such as lifting a mountain or even a planet itself.

Using limited telekinesis against Superman level beings would be useless. They can simply break it with sheer force and durability.

Both Luke and Kyp Durron has used TK to move Pseudo Black Holes that has been used to rip moons out of their orbit.....Not to mention Luke has crumble mountain size structures, years before his prime....

Planet level TP, or Life Force drain could do the trick.

@dccomicsrule2011: Nah, pseudo black holes doesn't count imo, but it is still good feat I agree. I would like the see mountain lifting feats though, I know GM Luke lifted a very huge rock in Invasion, but that's hardly comparable.

@erkan12:

Nah, pseudo black holes doesn't count imo, but it is still good feat I agree.

But if the Dovin Baasal made Black Hole can rip a moon out of it's orbit, it's gravitational pull must be monstrous. Granted, not planet level, but it must at least be reaching the million ton level and above.

I would like the see mountain lifting feats though, I know GM Luke lifted a very very huge rock in Invasion, but that's hardly comparable to even a hill.

Re-creating and later destroys a mountain-sized fortress.

Luke had not gone far when he stopped and looked up at the top of the cliff for a long moment, then out at the twin spires of rock. Dropping his chin to his chest and closing his eyes, he turned through two full circles, then looked back up at the cliff edge. “Yes,” he said, the wind stealing the word from his lips. “Yes, it is here.”

He sat down on the sand, cross-legged and straight-backed, and brought his hands together in his lap, fingertip to fingertip. Concentrating on a picture in his mind, Luke dipped his awareness deeply into the flow of the Force beneath him. With eyes that looked inward, he found what he was seeking, like flaws in a near-perfect crystal. He extended his will.

The sand around him stirred. The rocks shuddered, shifted, then began to rise from the sea and the sand as though sifted from them by an invisible screen. Swirling through the air as they sought their place, the stones took shape as broken wall and shattered foundation, as arch and gate and dome—the ruins of Darth Vader’s fortress retreat. It hung in the air around and above Luke as it had once stood atop the cliff, a dark-faced and forbidding edifice.

There was no record in Imperial City’s files to say whether his father had ever occupied the fortress, though it had clearly been built for him in accord with his instructions. It had been empty when it was destroyed by a B-wing’s blasters, in the days after the New Republic reclaimed Coruscant. Was this where Vader plotted his conquests in the Emperor’s service? Was this where he had come to rejuvenate after a battle? Had there been celebrations here, self-indulgent pleasures or cruelties? Luke listened for the echoes of the old evils, and could not be certain. But that did not matter to his plans. As he had redeemed and reclaimed his father, he would redeem and reclaim his father’s house.

Now the stones swirled again in the air, joined by others plucked from the sea and stripped from the face of the cliff. Now broken edge fused against broken edge, and the dark faces of the rock lightened as their mineral structure was reshuffled. Now heavy rock walls and floors thinned to an airy elegance as if they were clay in a potter’s press. Now a tower stretched skyward until it rose above the edge of the cliff.

When it was done, the last gap closed, the last rock transformed, the structure securely perched just above the sand on pillars of stone extending down to bedrock, Luke brought the E-wing down the beach and nestled it in the chamber he had made for it. I was not a door that closed over the opening, though, but a solid wall that closed out not only the wind and the cold, but the world. “Shut down all systems,” Luke told R7-T1. “Then place yourself in standby mode, I won’t be needing you for a while.”

The last task was to inspect his retreat from the perspective of any outsiders whose gaze might fall upon it. All was as he had planned. From the sky, it appeared as part of the beach. From the sea, as part of the cliffs. From the beach, as part of the sky. From the cliffs, as part of the sea. It was not a trick of camouflage, but a simple matter of allowing the essences of its substance to be seen. The retreat was of the sea, and the rock, and the sand, and the sky, in harmony with them rather than imposed on them.

The last test was to climb the tower and inspect the view. But when he looked to the east, he found his view blocked by the lowering clouds. So he waited, shrugging off time as easily as he shrugged off the cold. He waited until the wind finally blew the storm away, until he could see the snow-capped Menarai Mountains ruling over the jewel of the Core, outlined against the sky by the light from the yellow-faced inner moon.

...

A damp, cold wind blowing out of a broken sky buffeted Luke Skywalker as he stood on the cliff above his seacost hermitage. He stood there a long time, thinking off all the reasons he had raised it from the rocky sands, of the work he had thought to do there. He had taken the broken pieces of his father’s fortress retreat and tried to remake them into something that could redeem them from their history. But he saw now that all he had managed to build was a prison, and that he had been fortunate to escape it.

Extending his hands and his will, Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them, found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them. With a roar that momentarily rivaled the wind, the hermitage collapsed in on itself, crushing the fighter still sealed within it.

But that was not enough to satisfy Luke, not enough to forever erase the temptation. One after another, he raised the pieces of the ruined hermitage, the broken ship, up out of the sand and into the air, crumbling them with the force of his thoughts, until it was a dense, swirling cloud of pebble-sized fragments and metal bits. Then, with a final, explosive effort of will, he hurled the cloud of debris far out beyond the breakers, where it rained down on the churning water and vanished from sight.

Taken from Black Fleet Crisis: Before the Storm - Credits to @silver2467

@dccomicsrule2011: Nice. But two questions, how a fortress can be a big as a mountain ? Because I highly doubt that.

And also it seems that he concentrated on this ;

''Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them, found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them.''

@okayalright_44: He can do that?

Sidious, BM probably couldn't even react to him either.

Darth Sidious.

@erkan12: Thank you...I'm reading these Sidious comments like "This is obviously just people saying who they like most."

Blue Marvel will beat the dog shit out of Sidious (the greatest villain ever IMO) The Star Wars universe literally doesn't even have anyone as strong as Blue Marvel in it. Sidious can't do anything but use above average psychic abilities & throw lightning. Blue Marvel socked Sentry into the atmosphere with one punch. Enough said. What in Gods name is a Star Wars character going to do against a Superman level being? Idgaf what his feats are if beings like Sentry & Anti-Man can't take down Blue Marvel how in Gods name can Sidious? Blue Marvel was able to stand up against Galactus for crying out loud.

@ordeith: Here are some scans that will show Blue Marvel's strength, speed & durability. First we see the Avengers vs. Anti-Man (Blue Marvels greatest foe) & they clearly are unable to handle him even with a team like Ares, Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Wonder Man & Sentry. In a later scan you'll see that Iron Man even says he doesn't know how they survived the fight. Then you'll see that Blue Marvel beats him...solo...

Sheev dumps Blue Marvel through a wormhole

@ordeith: Next we have Blue Marvel surviving unaided in the outer space & at the bottom of the ocean where his secret lair is. That's durable af imo. & he fought Namor upon their first meeting. Namor is one of the stronger Marvel characters. Not only does he survive unaided in space but be fights & defeats an entire alien fleet that the Watcher says can destroy Earth...alone...

@ordeith: When he first met The Watcher Blue Marvel was told he could have split the moon in two. Then you'll see Blue Marvel going solo against The Avengers (Iron Man, Sentry, Ares, Ms. Marvel & Wonder Man) he knocks Sentry out cold into space with one hit & then tanks a hit from space from Sentry.

What can Sidious do against this?

@ordeith: Normal force abilities? Seriously...he just literally took a blow from one of the strongest people in the Marvel Universe FROM OUTER SPACE. Sentry is compared to Superman in terms of strength. Ain't no damn force abilities putting out damage like that man. C'mon...I love Sidious too but seriously? Blue Marvel just beat the shit out of Iron Man, Ms. Marvel, Sentry, Wonder Man & Ares (a God) solo so you're telling me you think Sidious could take them too? Stop it. Iron Man alone would wreck Sidious. Blue Marvel solo'd a dude that beat a team of Iron Man, YellowJacket, Wasp, Ms. Marvel, Reed Richards, Sentry, Wonderman, She-Hulk & Ares & that's just his 5 issue origin. He literally survived in outer space with no suit & built a base by himself at the bottom of the ocean! We can't even create devices that can withstand that amount of pressure! Blue Marvel is basically an anti-matter reactor. His power in unlimited. If drained it just refreshes. Blue Marvel became a stable "antimatter reactor" when he survived the explosion. He even uses his own power in The Ultimates to power up Captain Marvel more so she can be more powerful. Here's his list of powers as per wikipedia: Genius engineer and physicist, Vast superhuman strength, Superhuman speed, stamina, reflexes and senses, Flight, Energy generation, Molecular manipulation, Enhanced mental perception, Nigh-invulnerability and durability, Regenerative healing factor, Light creation.

Also he's a trained Marine....he beat King Hyperion for crying out loud man. The force isn't shit to him. "Blue Marvel is able to affect matter at a molecular level with a great degree of precision and control. He not only healed Monica Rambeau (Spectrum) but further boosted her electromagnetic abilities. Blue Marvel possesses the ability to sense and comprehend things on levels that far exceed human capabilities. Blue Marvel possesses highly efficient musculature which produces no fatigue toxins, granting him limitless stamina in all physical activities. He has been observed moving a meteor the size of Arkansas and routinely lifting and flying an aircraft carrier a considerable distance.The uppermost limits of Blue Marvel's strength is unknown, but it is thought it may equal the likes of an enraged Hulk, Sentry and others." Blue Marvel could likely absorb the force lightning and make it his own energy or likely strip Sidious ability to even use that or the force if he wants. Force drain is nothing when you're body produces no fatigue toxins & you are literally a walking reactor for your own power. You just re-amp yourself.

Sidious at his max power couldn't even stop Vader from body slamming him off the edge of a walkway. C'mon...Sidious can't even think fast as Blue Marvel can react dude. All you guys saying Sidious please show me something where he does damage that can equal up to anything that might even singe Blue Marvel's eyebrows. Please. Not this speculation of what force powers might do but some concrete proof of Sidious damage output.

@ordeith: for all his supposed "light speed" movement & thought or his force lightning being able to "destroy moons" he was utterly helpless against a maimed Vader before he died. Sidious was using a cane when he was walking most times. Sure, force users have a higher degree of capabilities but they are not Superman level. As someone stated above Superman level beings routinely break through mind control Blue Marvel is a Superman level being. If Darth Vader can body slam him to his doom with one arm missing WHILE taking the full force of Sidious lightning, Blue Marvel will wreck him. Like someone said above "Using limited telekinesis against Superman level beings would be useless. They can simply break it with sheer force and durability."

Also on the subject of them using the force to crush mountains,''Luke found the points of greatest stress within the structure and pressed upon them,found the points of greatest fragility and sundered them.'' Blue Marvel doesn't have to do that. He literally can lift or punch a mountain to pieces from sheer strength. Big difference. I'm not knocking the force or it's users but there is seriously nothing any force user can do to stop Blue Marvel. Given time he could punch clean through their force shields, the lightning would upset him at best, telepathy won't work, force pushes aren't enough to kill him & drains won't work either since he replenishes his own strength & doesn't have fatigue in his body.

I seriously feel like half the people in here have no idea of who Blue Marvel is or what he's capable of. Probably never read a thing about him. Force users are out-classed by numerous people in Marvel/DC universes. They are realistically mid-high tier psychics that can sword fight good. Marvel/DC heroes & villains deal with that on a regular basis.

Blue Marvel.