*Orbalisk Bane, False Emperor Malgus, Malak is amped as he was on the Star Forge
*No prep, all abilities allowed, fight to the death, all are blood-lusted
*The fight takes place on Alderaan
*Who wins and why?
*Orbalisk Bane, False Emperor Malgus, Malak is amped as he was on the Star Forge
*No prep, all abilities allowed, fight to the death, all are blood-lusted
*The fight takes place on Alderaan
*Who wins and why?
Bump.
This is very close. Bane is the most powerful alongside Malgus but the least skilled; Malgus is the most powerful alongside Bane and in-between Bane and Malak in skill; Malak is the least powerful but the most skilled.
Bane and Malak are probably even overall with each taking as many victories against the other, but I think Malgus prevails against either.
Bane 3/10; Malgus 4/10; Malak 3/10.
I'd say it goes Bane>Malak>Malgus, but honestly they're all really close and arguments could be made for all of the characters beating each other.
I agree with most of what @azronger pertaining to skills, and power. Slight difference i see Bane and Malak being about equal in power. The part i agree with is Malgus being mid in skill, Malak being highest in skill, and Malgus being highest in power. The thing here though is Bane has his Orb armor which has crazy resistance. So i am gonna have to side with Bane. Without the armor i would say Malgus or Malak Taking the slim Majority of wins
@keikrosskira: Malak's armor can tank lightsaber blows as well.
@azronger This is true, but not to the extent that the Orb can. Malak's I believe is closer to Vader's level of protection.
I would personally back Bane.
Let's see what others have to think.
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@keikrosskira: Yeah, probably.
The Orbs had a severe weakness against Force Lightning, which both Malak and Malgus were proficient in usage of, and if I recall correctly, Bane has no impressive Tutaminis feats that suggests that they couldn't use it, killing the orbs and triggering the release of their venom. Additionally, I'd back Malgus against either of the others in terms of raw combat capability.
Malgus
@jacthripper: they were only killed by a concentrated storm of Bane's Force lightning, which Is considerably beyond the Lightning of Malgus or Malak. Trap either Malgus or Malak in the storm that killed the orbalisks, and unlike Bane they wouldn't survive the storm.
Bane wins pretty damn solidly via having the greatest martial ability, greatest lightning, and greatest TK.
@jacthripper: they were only killed by a concentrated storm of Bane's Force lightning, which Is considerably beyond the Lightning of Malgus or Malak. Trap either Malgus or Malak in the storm that killed the orbalisks, and unlike Bane they wouldn't survive the storm.
Bane wins pretty damn solidly.
Was Bane's lightning that impressive?
I'm giving this one to Bane.
Bane grew more rapidly in power than almost anyone in SW history. In just a few years, he went from just being able to anticipate an opponents attacks to collapsing temples with TK. With the orbalisk armor, he was even stronger, and his defense was nearly impenetrable. He was able to hold off an elite team of Jedi, backed by Battle Meditation. Once the Battle meditation was lost, he slaughtered the Jedi. Through his cunning, he orchestrated the downfall of the entire Sith order and rebuilt it. Plagueis and Tenebrous revered his powers.
As a Force user and as a duelist, he had grown tremendously in power since his first major defeat of Kas'im. Bane doesn't have to worry nearly as much about defense while in that armor. Granted, he never faced any dark siders nearly as powerful as himself, so that is a big factor and will likely result in a few losses. Basically, Bane's never had a high tier Force user ragdoll him the way he is used to ragdolling, and Malgus and Malak are quite powerful.
Bane, 5/10
Malgus 3/10
Malak 2/10
Malgus or Bane. Really depends on how Malak impacts on the fight.
But right now I'm favoring Malgus a bit.
This depends on whether Malak and Malgus gang up on Bane or not. Assuming that doesn't happen, Bane should take this. He's more skilled than Malgus and definitely Malak, and has more than enough Force power to contend with either. If Malak and Malgus do gang up on him, though, which I could see happening, Bane would be overpowered by their lightning, at which point Malgus would probably beat Malak.
@SilentBat: may I ask why? I have a hard time finding an area in which Bane does not match or surpass Malgus.
@jacthripper: considering it reduced multiple people to ash and charred a Drexl, would've oneshotted one of the seven most powerful Jedi Lords who was amped by BM and actively erecting a barrier to defend himself (his barrier has significantly reduced the power of one of Bane's TK attacks, this Bane being substantially more powerful than his incarnation that leveled a temple with TK) and charred lightsaber resistant orbalisk shells, I'd say it's pretty damn good.
@emperordmb: Weren't the orbalisk shells prone to lightning?
@darthduelist9: there's nothing saying the shells are weak to lightning, just that they weren't effectively shielding Bane from it. They do evidently have some reaction to electricity, but that has nothing to do with their shells' durability against lightning.
Comes down to Bane vs Malak, Malak (while boosted by the Star Forge) was far more powerful than the majority of Sith Lords in history; on top of having his already amazing lightsaber skills. Bane, while a great duelist, was also very limited in his dueling ability; being a Djem-So specialist. Bane also had minimal knowledge of the more mysterious aspects of the Force, but as a result he was able to take his basic Force powers to ridiculous heights of power; being capable of leveling entire structures with a Force Wave. Personally, I would hold Malak as the superior duelist; and even somewhat superior in the Force as far as knowledge goes. Bane has more outright destructive power, but having his orbalisk armor is what kills him in my opinion. When he has the armor he's not tactically inclined, he simply bum-rushes his opponent in the hopes that he'll overwhelm them; this would get him killed a fight against somebody as powerful as Malak (especially Force amped Malak.) Bane wouldn't be able to overpower Malak through strength alone, Malak being just as physically capable as Bane, and Malak's superior lightsaber skills would allow him to stand toe to toe with Bane for a extended period of time. Then Bane will fall back on his Force powers, using his more outwardly destructive abilities to try to overwhelm Malak; while this would be effective to a degree, I don't see this being the winning factor. Malak's Force shields are strong enough to resist Bane's powers, as Bane can also resist Malak's; but the deciding factor (unlike most Sith vs Sith battles) is actually their ability to use lightning. Bane's Orbalisk's absorb any Dark Side energy they come into direct contact with, too much energy will severely wound Bane; and I feel that's what would happen here. Bane would be winning initially, Malak teken back by his ferocity and raw power; but as the fight continued, Malak would start to gain the upper hand. At the end of the duel Bane would make a mistake, a poorly timed use of the Force or a lightsaber strike in the place and time; giving Malak the opportunity he would need to disarm Bane and unleash the full scope of his Star Forge amped powers. Leaving Bane dead at his feet.
@darthbane77: ironically enough for your name, you're saying a lot about Bane that isn't correct.
First of all, Bane isn't limited in his dueling abilities, and he doesn't only use Djem So (which isn't that limited on its own since it possesses a strong offense and defense) but also Juyo and Soresu, and even early in his dueling career he was stated to have "moved beyond forms and sequences." He also demonstrated against Kas'im the ability to adapt and counter any dueling form or technique or combination of forms with the sole exception of Jar'kai (which neither of his opponents here even use). Quite frankly, Bane also has better dueling feats than Malak at this point as demonstrated against Kas'im and BM amped Raskta Lsu.
He also isn't limited in his knowledge of the Force as you are so claiming, ESPECIALLY when compared to Malak. Bane had access to Darth Revan's holocron (who is more knowledgeable about the Force than Malak) and on top of this had access to the holocron of Freedon Nadd (another one of the most knowledgeable force wielders in the mythos). One of the recurring themes of the Darth Bane trilogy is that Bane understands the dark side on a very deep and profound level, hence him constructing the ultimate Sith Order and philosophy.
He also isn't a tactical retard with the Orbalisks. Sure his tactics are more straightforward than they are in POD and especially DOE, but he still possessed enough tactical intelligence to use a feint and shift in momentum to outmaneuver a BM amped Raskta Lsu (who was stated to have a penchant for predicting her enemies moves in advance, was the most skilled duelist in the Jedi Order, and while amped had a faster striking speed than Grievous), and feign retreat to lead Raskta away from Worror in such a way that he fooled both her and Farfalla, both of whom have considerable war experience with Farfalla being one of the champions and leaders of the Ruusan campaign with an army of 300 Jedi under his command, and Raskta having killed over a thousand Sith Lords on the battlefield.
And Bane's "weakness" to lightning is constantly over exaggerated. Yes lightning ultimately killed the orbalisks, but it took prolonged exposure to a concentrated and enclosed Force lightning storm from a dude capable of reducing people to ash with lightning to ultimately kill them, and it only killed them once the lightning had charred the orbalisk shells. Considering Bane actually survived lightning that charred lightsaber resistant orbalisk shells, and that his lightning has reduced people to ash and charred orbalisk shells, I think Malak is going to have to be more worried about Bane's lightning than Bane is about Malak's, seeing as Bane has better barrier feats, tank feats, and lightning feats than Malak.
@darthbane77: Malak (while boosted by the Star Forge) was far more powerful than the majority of Sith Lords in history;
Which is why he got beat by an inexperienced Revan, right? A Sith Lord who's power wasn't even that impressive to begin with.
@emperordmb: I'll admit it's been a while since I read the books, so it's possible that I'm not remembering quite right.
@voidstar: Revan wasn't inexperienced at all when he fought Malak. He was already more powerful and more skilled the any Jedi alive at the time, and had proven capable of defeating droves of Sith soldiers and warriors.
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