Daredevil & Bullseye vs Cassandra Cain

Rules:

• Morals Off
• No Bloodlust, No Prep
• Perfect Teamwork
• Win By Death
• No Knowledge: But, Lester Is Taking The Fight Very Seriously
• Team Gets Indestructible Coms For Communication
• DD Has His Special Armor, Billyclub & 10 Steel Throwing Knives
• Bullseye Has His Adamantium Bones, 30 Steel Toothpicks, A Shotgun(10 Ammo Packs, Explosive Slugs), A Sai, , Steel Katana, and Grapple Gun
• Batgirl Has A Grapple Gun, Steel Katana, And 30 Standard Batarangs

Battlefield: Scary Street Ways

Night Time, Foggy, Light Rain, No Moon or Stars, Torches Around The Village

Starting Distance: 50 Feet Away, Must Find The Enemy

Seriously No One?

I'd say that the team can take it with a 6/10 majority. I don't know much on Cassandra Cain, but i think that daredevil is as skilled as her and with help from bullseye he can win

The team, but I could see someone making a case for Cass winning.

1 on 1 she takes it, but together, not likely.

@616vulture: I've seen most of the respected viners say DD is below Batman. So I highly doubt he is skilled as Cain. Who is either on par or above Batman on skill.

@lukehero: Ok, well I never really read many comics on either of them so I don't know a lot most from comic wikis, anyways the team can take it together

Team stomps. Daredevil is already a close fight.

Team wrecks

@lukehero: props for bringing back the biometric suit, that's always been my favorite look for him.

I agree with this.

Damn, hoping this was close.

Bullseye solo with a toothpick :P

Daredevil should be fast enough to keep up with Cain (not that he's fast than her) and Bullseye can probably get shots on her while she's occupied. I'll be interested to see what @bat_girl_cc has to say...

Yeah Cassandra ain't winning this

Team takes it imo. Bloodlusted DD is scary, added the fact that he's in her league speed wise, and is the more skilled of the two, he could make her work for it on his own. With Bullseye here it just seals the deal.

Morals off Cassandra Cain, its a nightmare you won't wake up, from...if they were "in character" i'd say the team would win, as long as bullseye let D.D fight Cass, and kept his distance from her, trying to hit her from long range, while she was busy paying attention to Matt...but morals off? nah...the team is in a ride, for the worst (few moments) of their lives.

I'm going to be the odd one out and say Daredevil can take her himself.

Come at me, bretheren.

Team.

I don't know for DD but Bullseye could solo.

LOL.

Bullseye can't solo, what he can't see.

Team stomps

Since when CC can become invisible ? :o

Team

Hmmm. Why? what would you say puts her above DD? I've seen Matt do some of the craziest feats I've seen given to a street leveller.

@nickthedevil

Let's face the facts...neither member of the team, can match her speed:

(Literally) out-running a bullet

Now, one thing, is Cass taking out thugs, while holding-back, due to her morals...and another thing, is Cass without morals...like, not caring for others safety, at all.

If morals were "on", i'd say team, but as it is, i just can't see it happening.

Cassandra would die horribly by the both of them together.Contrary to popular belief she isn't invincible and she's not gonna walk all over Daredevil either bloodlusted or not.

Don't bother,DD hardly gets no respect in the battle forums

Since, she can move too fast, to bee seen:

@bat_girl_cc: By fodder.

Giving a serious Bullseye a gun and backing him up with Daredevil?

Either of these guys (a serious Bullseye or Matt) would give Cassie a damn good fight. Together?

I'd say the team takes it 8-9/10.

@bat_girl_cc: Two things,

first being, the man didn't have his hand out and the gun raised, from one panel he goes from having his hand in his jacket holster, to pointing the gun and firing, and in the next panel she's already on him. When did she start moving? Had he already fired the gun? that huge unknown is what kills the feat for me.

On top of that, Daredevil has deflected bullets after being fired, and when I mean deflected, he's both swung his club like a bat and disarmed the original shooter, and he's hit the bullet vertically with the flat end of the baton and brake sunglasses in two ( I have both feats on my home computer if you would like to see them). He's far from a slouch in that department, and he's beaten Captain America, a man who himself outruns bullets. In my opinion, it's going to be alot closer than a stomp for either, with Matt edging it out.

I'm going to change that. Did it for the Rogues, brother :)

Same analysis my dear Nickzor. :O

Yea I agree. I tried arguing daredevil would beat cap to get him more respect but I guess it didn't work :/ I really don't get why people underrate him so much.

@jashro44: Cause He's Blind. :p

And by people like Batman:

The scan above, is from a sparring-session between Bruce and Cass, at one point, Cass punched Batman so fast, that he only noticed it, when he started "coughing" blood.

@nickthedevil: Good luck.People already said she can beat Luke Cage because an idiot writer made him get damaged by pressure points.Which imo was PIS.Forget the thousands of showings of how durable his body is. Keep it going.

@bane_of_sith

He's also good a debating for Daredevil.So is @vance_astro

@jashro44: That's why I quit coming around the battle forums lol.

I believe Cassie could beat either one for the solid majority, but together, they'll beat her. No morals makes her tougher, but it doesn't make her any more willing to kill than Bullseye normally is (a morals off Bullseye is would be worse). DD's radar sense will help him avoid some of her blows, and Bullseye's accuracy will definitely allow him to tag her at least a few times. That being said, she's still going to be very difficult to deal with (I won't discount her body reading). I'd give the team the win 7/10.

Luke cage has been hurt by pressure points more than once. I recall other instances. He does seem to be more resistant to them than a normal human though so I don't think a skilled fighter can beat him easily with pressure points. All though it is possible.

I don't know if Cass can do it though. I think she has a shot.

I think I recalled two instances when he was.It makes no sense to me.If it were that easy Daredevil and Iron Fist would have use them against him when they fought but I don't wanna make this about Cage.' was just using it as an example.Soon I'll here how Cassie can take Spawn.

@jonny_anonymousThoughts?

Team wins. Both DD and Bullseye is just too much and both of them are underrated on the battles forum. Bullseye has an adamantium skeleton in this match so Cass is gonna get hurt when attacking him and Daredevil is a good enough match for Cass on his own due to his senses and skill.

" first being, the man didn't have his hand out and the gun raised, from one panel he goes from having his hand in his jacket holster, to pointing the gun and firing, and in the next panel she's already on him. When did she start moving? Had he already fired the gun? that huge unknown is what kills the feat for me. "

The second scan alone, proves that she out-paced that bullet...in one panel the bullet its fired, and in the next panel Cass punches the gun-man, while the bullet its still half-way, from when Cass was last seen, and only in the next panel the bullet as reached the guy that opened the vaults door, and Cass was even further from the shooter, than that guy was.

Now, if we assume that Cass only moved after the shooter fired the gun, then, that means that Cass doubled that bullets speed, since she had time to take out the gun-man, while the bullet was still half-way between the shooter and the guy that opened the vaults door, and when Cass was last seen, she was even further away.

" On top of that, Daredevil has deflected bullets after being fired, and when I mean deflected, he's both swung his club like a bat and disarmed the original shooter, and he's hit the bullet vertically with the flat end of the baton and brake sunglasses in two ( I have both feats on my home computer if you would like to see them). He's far from a slouch in that department, and he's beaten Captain America, a man who himself outruns bullets. In my opinion, it's going to be alot closer than a stomp for either, with Matt edging it out. "

Cass has catched shurikens with her fingers, dodged bullets after they've been fired, dodged sniper-bullets after they've been fired and while having her back-turned to the shooter, etc.

Also, you're forgetting something, Cass performed those feats, while being "morals on" she holds back even on meta-humans, and in this fight she wouldn't have that problem, since the OP stated that morals are "off"...that's why i said, that the team would win, if morals were "on", but they would lose, in this case.

Still backing team for previously stated reasons, they won't win easily and one of them may be dead at the end, but I still see them winning more often then not.

@bat_girl_cc

I replied to your post in the IF v Batman thread, not sure if your notifications are working, mine are still spotty.

@lukehero: Daredevil has completely avoided Captain America (who was serious in trying to capture him, and also brought some device to mess up his Radar Sense)

Daredevil has fought evenely with Iron Fist (Although, neither knew who the other were at the time) untill he started using Chi, etc..

I think he could take Cassandra by himself in this instance..

And i'll be sure to make that happen, lol...now seriously, i do belive that Cass would win here, and as i already said, the team would win, if morals were "on".

Yes, D.D alone would make Cass work for it...morals on!...Wolverine also has a adamantium skeleton, and people on cassandra's league don't get hurt when they hit him.

Team. Daredevil is fairly close as is. And Bullseye, he never misses

@bat_girl_cc: Doesn't mean that she is more fast.

Batman can see bullets coming.

Based off my DD knowledge he should be able to keep a close fight with Cass under these conditions, he'd win some and she'd win some.

With Bullseye on his side the team wins the majority no doubt.

Fighting Cassy would be pretty much the same as for DD as fighting Echo.

Kaine, who's tiers higher than Cassandra and more durable then Spiderman, almost broke his hand when he punched Wolverine (who has an adamantium skeleton).

Imagine what would happen if Cass punched Bullseye with an adamantium skeleton? She'll get seriously hurt.

And no, Nightwing was able to hang on with Cass so even if it was morals off/on for Cassandra, it won't be a stomp when she faces Daredevil.

Team 1 wins in a convincing manner.

Team in a close fight. To be honest, I don't see DD doing that good against her alone.

daredevil beats cass 5.5 out of ten times... He is more agile,,, their speed is close.. and he is stronger... their skill is about equal.... His radar >>> her body reading....