Cyttorak vs Shuma-Gorath

Some weird goings on in the universe has made the entire universe warped, merging dimensions and causing chaos. The crimson cosmos finds itself merged with the chaos dimension that Shuma-Gorath resides in. Cyttorak doesn't like this presence in his cosmos, and Shuma-Gorath views Cyttorak as yet another entity to feed off of. A battle for supremacy ensues between the two.  Because of the merging of home dimensions, both have their full power at their disposal. It's all out, full-power, no holds barred.
 
Who wins?
 
Let's use as much comic book "logic" as possible.
 

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In Cyttorak's realm - Cyttorak
In SG's realm - SG
In other realm/Earth -hard battle, but I can give SG 51% for the win.

This is a completely one-sided matchup. Cyttorak takes this. Heck, even his avatar Juggernaut defeats Gorath. The vishanti would not even touch Cyttorak that's how powerful he is. Plus, Cyttorak has an avatar of destruction, Juggernaut. What avatar has Gorath produced? Nothing at all!
 
Cyttorak 10/10
 
Juggernaut would go 10/10 with Gorath also.
 
Stop your spite threads Cort.

so what happens when 2 omnipotent beings fight?

 @bumnut:  I know Shuma-Gorath is his realm, so since he is his dimension he would be omnipotent there, same goes for Cyttorak within his Crimson Cosmos.
 
Outside of it, more likely neigh-omnipotent as far as Shuma goes. Can't say the same for Cyttorak since he cannot leave his cosmos.
 
Though, I am surprised there aren't anymore takers.

This is a good battle...
 
I'm not quite sure who wins though.

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

"  @bumnut:  I know Shuma-Gorath is his realm, so since he is his dimension he would be omnipotent there, same goes for Cyttorak within his Crimson Cosmos.  Outside of it, more likely neigh-omnipotent as far as Shuma goes. Can't say the same for Cyttorak since he cannot leave his cosmos.  Though, I am surprised there aren't anymore takers. "

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

"This is a completely one-sided matchup. Cyttorak takes this. Heck, even his avatar Juggernaut defeats Gorath. The vishanti would not even touch Cyttorak that's how powerful he is. Plus, Cyttorak has an avatar of destruction, Juggernaut. What avatar has Gorath produced? Nothing at all!  Cyttorak 10/10  Juggernaut would go 10/10 with Gorath also.  Stop your spite threads Cort. "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

in their realms they are "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

in their realms they are "

Then they are not. The definition of omnipotent is basically, 'limitless power'. Limitless in every way. Like for instance, the TOAA is omnipotent. If your omnipotence only extends to what realm you are in, it is by definition, not omnipotence as it is very much limited.  The word 'omnipotence' is thrown around a lot in comics. Ever since Beyonder got retconned, there is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. "

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

in their realms they are "

Then they are not. The definition of omnipotent is basically, 'limitless power'. Limitless in every way. Like for instance, the TOAA is omnipotent. If your omnipotence only extends to what realm you are in, it is by definition, not omnipotence as it is very much limited.  The word 'omnipotence' is thrown around a lot in comics. Ever since Beyonder got retconned, there is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. "

yes, in their realms, they can do whatever they want.  By the definition given (in their realm), it is limited.  If you can do anything in a certain area, then you are omnipotent in that area. "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

in their realms they are "

Then they are not. The definition of omnipotent is basically, 'limitless power'. Limitless in every way. Like for instance, the TOAA is omnipotent. If your omnipotence only extends to what realm you are in, it is by definition, not omnipotence as it is very much limited.  The word 'omnipotence' is thrown around a lot in comics. Ever since Beyonder got retconned, there is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. "

yes, in their realms, they can do whatever they want.  By the definition given (in their realm), it is limited.  If you can do anything in a certain area, then you are omnipotent in that area. "

Are you suggesting that Cytorrak could beat the One Above All (Non-celestial) if he was in his own realm? "

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

in their realms they are "

Then they are not. The definition of omnipotent is basically, 'limitless power'. Limitless in every way. Like for instance, the TOAA is omnipotent. If your omnipotence only extends to what realm you are in, it is by definition, not omnipotence as it is very much limited.  The word 'omnipotence' is thrown around a lot in comics. Ever since Beyonder got retconned, there is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. "

yes, in their realms, they can do whatever they want.  By the definition given (in their realm), it is limited.  If you can do anything in a certain area, then you are omnipotent in that area. "

Are you suggesting that Cytorrak could beat the One Above All (Non-celestial) if he was in his own realm? "

no, since the one above all can simply destroy his realm.  "

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

in their realms they are "

Then they are not. The definition of omnipotent is basically, 'limitless power'. Limitless in every way. Like for instance, the TOAA is omnipotent. If your omnipotence only extends to what realm you are in, it is by definition, not omnipotence as it is very much limited.  The word 'omnipotence' is thrown around a lot in comics. Ever since Beyonder got retconned, there is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. "

yes, in their realms, they can do whatever they want.  By the definition given (in their realm), it is limited.  If you can do anything in a certain area, then you are omnipotent in that area. "

Are you suggesting that Cytorrak could beat the One Above All (Non-celestial) if he was in his own realm? "

no, since the one above all can simply destroy his realm.  "

Then he is not omnipotent in his own realm. If he truly was the most powerful being in his own realm, nothing should be able to take it away from him. Therefore, while he is incredibly powerful in his realm, he is not truly omnipotent. "

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @Akwa said:

" @the human Juggernaut said:

" @bumnut said:

" Omnipotent? Wouldn't go that far.  Maybe allpowerfull, but not quite omnipotent.  What happens? Well, one wins, and one loses :-) Guess that's what we need to decide, is the who! "

omnipotent means all powerful "

Thats true. And neither of the beings are omnipotent. "

in their realms they are "

Then they are not. The definition of omnipotent is basically, 'limitless power'. Limitless in every way. Like for instance, the TOAA is omnipotent. If your omnipotence only extends to what realm you are in, it is by definition, not omnipotence as it is very much limited.  The word 'omnipotence' is thrown around a lot in comics. Ever since Beyonder got retconned, there is only one truly omnipotent being in Marvel. "

yes, in their realms, they can do whatever they want.  By the definition given (in their realm), it is limited.  If you can do anything in a certain area, then you are omnipotent in that area. "

Are you suggesting that Cytorrak could beat the One Above All (Non-celestial) if he was in his own realm? "

no, since the one above all can simply destroy his realm.  "

Then he is not omnipotent in his own realm. If he truly was the most powerful being in his own realm, nothing should be able to take it away from him. Therefore, while he is incredibly powerful in his realm, he is not truly omnipotent. "

if the one he was fighting was the most powerful being in existence, then he should be able to take it away from him.  "

"  In other realm/Earth -hard battle, but I can give SG 51% for the win. "

Shuma-Gorath would take this, I his believe his power is greater than Cyttorak 

Cyttorak. Shuma has no feats.

I know I'm late to this but I reeaaally want to answer. 
 
Shuma-Gorath ftw every single time ^_^

This thread is gay.

it'll take two of them to beat shuma... in shuma's realm.

" This thread is gay. "

I am going with Shuma 8/10

" @Aeschma Deava said:

" Cyttorak. Shuma has no feats. "

Hahahahahaha! 
 
Oh wow yeah, he totally has no feats and the Octessence totally do right? xD
 
Go read a comic with him in it.
 
@Grand Ninja said:

" it'll take two of them to beat shuma... in shuma's realm. "

Hahahahahahahaha!
 
Whew, you guys are cracking me up.
 
@Danilo018 said:

" Well Shuma-Gorath is an arch enemy of The Vishanti, and Vishanti don't want to mess with Cyttorak. Yet they faught Shuma, anyway they couldn't defeat him. But they weren't afraid of him since they faught him to  banish him from Earth,  so logicly Cytorak>Shuma. "

This is some of the most failed logic in the entire thread. "

" Cyttorak. Shuma has no feats. "

" it'll take two of them to beat shuma... in shuma's realm. "

" Well Shuma-Gorath is an arch enemy of The Vishanti, and Vishanti don't want to mess with Cyttorak. Yet they faught Shuma, anyway they couldn't defeat him. But they weren't afraid of him since they faught him to  banish him from Earth,  so logicly Cytorak>Shuma. "

Good batlle, difficulty to say exactly 

Shuma. I think he is more powerful overall, but if not he could just leech his powers away from him and add to his own.

" cyttorak. He is the unstopable of the unstopable. "

Hard to say here, but I think Shuma takes this

In my opinion Shuma-Gorath takes this one.

i'll take shuma for this one as well.

And I'm with Cyttorak .

SG wins in his and the other dem. but loses in cyttorak

" The Vishanti don't dare to fight Cyttorak, but on the other hand they are arch-nemesis with Shuma Gorath and dare to fight him. So wouldn't by that logic than be Cyttorak > Shuma Gorath. Also Dr. Strange on one occassion defeated Shuma Gorath by invoking power of Cyttorak and some other deity(which name I don't remember). It was just a portion of Cyttorak's power, but it was enough to secure the banishment of Shuma Gorath from our dimension. So I go with Cyttorak here.     "

"@Danilo018 said:

" The Vishanti don't dare to fight Cyttorak, but on the other hand they are arch-nemesis with Shuma Gorath and dare to fight him. So wouldn't by that logic than be Cyttorak > Shuma Gorath. Also Dr. Strange on one occassion defeated Shuma Gorath by invoking power of Cyttorak and some other deity(which name I don't remember). It was just a portion of Cyttorak's power, but it was enough to secure the banishment of Shuma Gorath from our dimension. So I go with Cyttorak here.     "

The Vishanti couldn´t stop Shuma Gorath, Also Dr. Strange banned Shuma with the powers of Arioch and Cyttorak combinated and it´s not clear if was a small portion of Cyttorak´s power, Shuma Gorath shows more feats and powers than Cyttorak being "

" @Goenitz said:

"@Danilo018 said:

" The Vishanti don't dare to fight Cyttorak, but on the other hand they are arch-nemesis with Shuma Gorath and dare to fight him. So wouldn't by that logic than be Cyttorak > Shuma Gorath. Also Dr. Strange on one occassion defeated Shuma Gorath by invoking power of Cyttorak and some other deity(which name I don't remember). It was just a portion of Cyttorak's power, but it was enough to secure the banishment of Shuma Gorath from our dimension. So I go with Cyttorak here.     "

The Vishanti couldn´t stop Shuma Gorath, Also Dr. Strange banned Shuma with the powers of Arioch and Cyttorak combinated and it´s not clear if was a small portion of Cyttorak´s power, Shuma Gorath shows more feats and powers than Cyttorak being "

Well he surely isn't going to power the Strange with all of his power. He gives the portion to his avatar, and why would he give more to Strange. Also think if you're the some powerfull entity would you give all of your power.  Yep the Vishanti couldn't stop the Shuma Gorath, but they dared to fight him. On the other hand it was stated that they don't want to fight anything that has any connection with Cyttorak. "