Count Dooku vs Darth Maul and Savage Opress

Huh, I got a notification for this...

TCW Season 7 Kenobi lost a duel to Grievous, while TCW Season 1-5 Kenobi never did. Their duels were always ''intense'' beginning from TCW S1 to the end of RotS.

There is an unnecessary RotS Kenobi overhyping going on. The power-up between TCW Season 4 - RotS is minimal at best.

@frankenmidget: Kenobi replicates his focus amp here for example:

"letting go of intention, letting go of desire, letting go of life, Obi-Wan fixed his entire attention on a thread of the Force that pulled him toward Grievous: not where Grievous was, but where Grievous would be when Obi-Wan got there..."

-rots novel

Kenobi speaks about it:

"Empty meditation: which purges negative emotions and lets you step away from attachment. This can also be achieved in an awake state that reduces distraction and increases focus on a task-you may find it to improve your ability to repair a device, your skill in sifting through the archives, or your combat skills".

(Annotation) Highly Recommended! -Kenobi

The Jedi Path: The Third Pillar: Self-discipline

He also did it twice on mustafar and in labrynth of evil

You're only making this clearer, You're right kenobi did lose to grevious in season 7, and then in rots he quicjkly and decisively beat a grevious who over the course of the outer rim seiges was constatntly sparring dooku, You've just destroyed your own argument, well done

Seriously... What kind of series are you following ?

@erkan12: Per labrynth of evil, over the course of the outer rim seiges, grevious was constantly sparring wiith DOOKU

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!

@yousufkhan1212: And you thought you could kill my thread.

*laughs in evil*

fixed

@kbroskywalker:

@kbroskywalker said:

Bumped once more. *cackles in evil*

@frankenmidget said:

@kbroskywalker:

@kbroskywalker said:

Bumpe

d once more. *cackles in evil*

What actually happened^

Time for this thread to die...

@waspalfa20

Why are you bumping mismatch battles and then deleting your own posts ? We can still see you...

@erkan12: The word mismatch implies (to myself at any rate) that this is like the GI vs Vader level of stomp....This certainly isn't at that level.

This still goes to dooku.

It's a mismatch because Dooku is weak to both Brothers individually in a physical contest, and against two of them ? It's a pure stomp because of that, not that Dooku is weak though.

Dooku already stated that Savage Opress alone is a threat for himself. Add there Darth Maul and Dooku would get stomped. Bumping this thread is no different than trolling.

Stop bumping these threads. Dooku dies, StarWars.com has confirmed that he barely managed to defeat the combined strength a Pre Prime Savage & Ventress, so he definitely has no chance of defeating a more powerful version of Savage & someone who's much stronger than Ventress and more co ordinated with Savage. I don't care whether you think that low showing was PIS, StarWars.com is not PIS, you don't have more authority than the official Star Wars website.

Dooku dies.

Dooku still loses quite handily, but there is no way he is getting "stomped" as such against 2 force users who are inferior to him in the first place. So no, this isn't a mismatch, but the outcome is still obvious.

Asajj Ventress and Savage Opress wage a combined attack against Dooku, whose abilities with the Force far surpass those of his apprentices.

http://www.starwars.com/video/dooku-vs-his-apprentices

Dooku proved too strong for even their combined efforts - and Savage finally snapped under the strain of his abusive training, turning his fury on both Dooku and Ventress

http://www.starwars.com/databank/asajj-ventress-biography-gallery

If Dooku's powers far surpass Ventress and Savage, him standing up to Savage and Maul is a possibility. If he is able to catch Maul or Savage with something like this

It could plausibly give him time to out-fence the other.

But more often than not the Count would likely lose

Tyranus can win some rounds, actually. The brothers likely take a majority, though.

@yousufkhan1212: pre prime oppress was force blasting anakin/kenobi and choking ventress/dooku. Outlier arc is outlier arc. Oppress has never performed anywhere near as well as he did in season 3. Its the equivalent of ocw grevious stomping multiple council masters. Oppress is outclassed here.

@yousufkhan1212: starwars.com is an inconsistent source that is still secondary to actual source material. And tcw source material has shown dooku having an upperhand vs season 6 anakin+kenobi and oppress being nowhere near the combtant he was made out to be in season 3.

this isn't a physical contest, and dooku has shown multiple times he can physically deal with much stronger opponents.

Dooku, most of the time.

@greysentinel365

I wasn't aware of those quotes. Pretty impressive for Dooku.

The Count could present them with a good challenge, possibly a great one, but IMO, he should still lose for a solid majority, if not every time.

Anyways it is not like the brothers easily beat Obi Wan either, a pre-prime Obi Wan at that. With Filoni now stating that Adi's loss did not empower Obi Wan, the only factor for them would be the environmental disadvantage. It might be something, but it is not that big of an excuse for them, at least not a free card. Considering that Dooku is better than Obi Wan in almost every way, ROTS Obi Wan at that, yes, the Count might be able to make something out of it.

@lordofthelight: Ironically I only found those quote after looking at what Khan said and deciding to check the site.

Oh yeah definitely Dooku should lose a majority, but he should still take rounds. Especially if Maul didn't teach Savage to block lightning (It's also stated on the website that Savage outright was incapable of defending against it)

Honestly the environmental factors aren't a thing, especially in the episode, which takes priority. The episode does show some impressive teamwork for the brothers (synchronized attacks etc etc) which would give merit to them wearing Dooku down as Kenobi and Skywalker did.

Dooku is better than Obi-Wan, but not massively. It's really Dooku's knowledge advantage of Ataru that breaks it. Obi can take rounds against him though

Tyranus isn't winning even a single round, and being more powerful in the Force doesn't grant an auto superiority; RotJ Luke defeated Vader, Mace defeated Sidious, Quinlan Vos defeated Dooku.

Maul himself is equal to Dooku by having superior physical stats and he is already close to him in the Force.

Only Dooku fanboys deals in absolutes.

Not sure what to add to these, Dooku was unable to defeat a pre-prime Savage and Asajj Ventress, there is no way he is winning even a single round against a superior duo. This is a pure Dooku fanboyism.

Savage is stronger than Anakin (post-AotC Anakin, who can already press Dooku in a duel) and Dooku has never dealt with ''much stronger'' opponents LMAO. Savage ragdolled Dooku with one-strike, and Maul is Savage's equal in strength, and he is much more skilled.

@greysentinel365

Especially if Maul didn't teach Savage to block lightning (It's also stated on the website that Savage outright was incapable of defending against it)

Maul's quite better than Ventress though. It is quite unlikely that he would let Dooku incapacitate Savage with lightning, especially as Savage can endure it( a short burst at least).

Honestly the environmental factors aren't a thing, especially in the episode, which takes priority.

The SC novel should hold priority too. But mainly, Obi Wan adopted a pretty decent strategy, that of facing one enemy at a time for a good duration while they fought. At the start, he kicks Maul a good distance back, and then starts bearing heavily on Savage. He drives Savage back, then quickly disengages, and then starts driving Maul back too. Only at the end, he engages them simultaneously, which is pretty impressive. So yes, even if the environmental factors are a thing, it is for only a short duration of their fight.

And considering that TCW Obi Wan is able to separate them at will to engage them individually to an extent, in an environment that is quite compressed, Dooku should undoubtedly fare better.

Dooku is better than Obi-Wan, but not massively. It's really Dooku's knowledge advantage of Ataru that breaks it. Obi can take rounds against him though

Obviously. I don't think anybody suggests that Obi Wan is massively weaker than Dooku. The thing is, Dooku is better than him in most of the areas pertinent. So for Obi Wan to actually win, he needs some sort of advantage, which he doesn't have( apart from things like endurance, but he isn't strong enough to bear Dooku down physically). Which is why he shouldn't win rounds. That isn't to say he can't give Dooku a good fight, but the criteria for "winning" isn't satisfied.

Those quotes for Dooku don't help Obi Wan either, since he obviously isn't "far" superior to Ventress or Savage in the force( or anything really).

The episode does show some impressive teamwork for the brothers (synchronized attacks etc etc) which would give merit to them wearing Dooku down as Kenobi and Skywalker did.

No, Obi Wan and Anakin are a much better duo than Maul and Savage. You have Obi Wan, a rival of Maul, and then Anakin who is substantially superior to Maul or Obi Wan, and Savage, who is noticeably weaker than Obi Wan or Maul. This is not even mentioning the superb synergy that Obi Wan and Anakin have. That cannot be applied here. And I really forgot again that Dooku contended well enough with that duo as well. Must be the sleep-deprivation.

Yeah, I somewhat agree with your assessment. Dooku is in quite a better position than I thought, in this fight. I still don't think he can "win" as such, actually. Though I must say 2 vs 1 doesn't work the way it logically should, otherwise, Maul and Savage should have easily beat Obi Wan.

Dooku needs Asajj Ventress in this fight, and he can still lose. Obi-Wan wankers are trying to hype Dooku because he has defeated Kenobi before, LOL.

Lol. Dooku never ''contended'' with Obi-Wan and Anakin, Anakin himself soloed Dooku more than once after AotC. If you take that dumb logic, then we've Savage Opress who has soloed Anakin and Obi-Wan as well, and that logic can't be used in anywhere.

@lordofthelight:

The SC novel should hold priority too. But mainly, Obi Wan adopted a pretty decent strategy, that of facing one enemy at a time for a good duration while they fought. At the start, he kicks Maul a good distance back, and then starts bearing heavily on Savage. He drives Savage back, then quickly disengages, and then starts driving Maul back too. Only at the end, he engages them simultaneously, which is pretty impressive. So yes, even if the environmental factors are a thing, it is for only a short duration of their fight.

It really doesn't. For two reasons

1. None of the key events of the fight take place in the novel (Like the ones you mentioned). Kenobi's kicks, the brothers synchronized attacks, Maul's blindside ragdoll etc etc. They don't happen. The fight is literally "Kenobi attacks, they're surprised, they try to pin him, the tunnel "gets in the way" Kenobi mutilates Savage".

2. The novel (by the authors own admission) does not align with the episodes

"I couldn’t watch the Maul episodes, which were still in production."

........

I knew my adaptation wouldn’t be able to capture some things, such as the pacing and feel of the fight scenes. In scripts the accounts of such showdowns are essentially placeholders. Remember Season Four’s “Bounty,” in which Asajj Ventress helps protect an underground train on Quarzite? That script has crackling dialogue and rich characterization, but its fight scenes are stripped-down summaries — they don’t convey the spooky stealth of the Kage warriors, the moody murk of the darkened train, or the jolt of seeing C-21 Highsinger explode into action. With fight scenes, the script’s job is to create the framework for the kind of collaborative visual storytelling discussed above.

The same was true with the lightsaber showdowns in the Darth Maul arc — nothing in the script prepared me for Pre Vizsla throwing everything but the Mandalorian kitchen sink at Maul in “Shades of Reason,” for the chilling close-up of a triumphant Maul igniting the Darksaber after besting Vizsla, or for Darth Sidious’s double-saber acrobatics in “The Lawless.”

......

Production schedules also let the crew of The Clone Wars keep refining the scripts after work had to stop on the print adaptation, leading to some small but important differences between what you read on the page and what you saw on the screen

"Shining a light on Shadow Conspiracy

3. The factors in the novel, don't exist in the episode. The corridor is over 5 meters wide (Wider than the Naboo platforms in TPM). The brothers are on either side of Kenobi. Kenobi opens up defensively etc etc

Moreover the novel does some characters skills some injustice. Maul has been stated to be able to throw all his moves and sequences away in response to one attack. Yet is unable to recover from Kenobi, even when he is using Jar Kai. A form Maul has mastered.

So (At least for this part of the novel) I don't take S.C into account.

No, Obi Wan and Anakin are a much better duo than Maul and Savage. You have Obi Wan, a rival of Maul, and then Anakin who is substantially superior to Maul or Obi Wan, and Savage, who is noticeably weaker than Obi Wan or Maul. This is not even mentioning the superb synergy that Obi Wan and Anakin have. That cannot be applied here.

Obi and Anakin were able to tire Dooku in their season 6 duel and when just fooling around in RotS. There is no reason Maul and Savage can't accomplish the same when they're serious

Yeah, I agree with your assessment. Dooku is in quite a better position than I thought, in this fight.

Thanks.

@greysentinel365: @lordofthelight: I wasn't saying Dooku couldn't contend with the Zabracks if you were talking to me.

@yousufkhan1212: No that's fine, we (or at least I) never thought you were saying that. Just that you mentioning the website is what made me go looking for the quotes I posted above

Btw I used your Luke vs Vader context blog today, so I'll take this chance to say superbly done once more

@erkan12

Can you please stop using the initials "lol" every time? It's getting really annoying. You can be a fan of Maul/Savage and avoid being condescending. It's not that difficult.

Anakin himself soloed Dooku more than once after AotC.

Dooku himself has stomped/incapacitated TCW Anakin with the force( lightning) at least 4 times. Try again.

Savage Opress who has soloed Anakin and Obi-Wan as well

You mean an Anakin and Obi Wan who were entirely on the defensive, and when Savage was massively rage amped?

And yes, I can just as easily bring up the other example I was discussing previously here as well. You know very well what that is.

And no, ROTS Anakin and Obi Wan were indeed trying. Even if Obi Wan wasn't, ROTS Anakin was clearly pressing Dooku quite hard, and until Obi Wan was taken out, Dooku was able to contend at least.

This is not even mentioning that Dooku, after he had replenished his reserves, was able to contend with Zonakin himself, someone who stated that he was in a a dream like state where there was as much power as he wanted, for a length of time. Contending even for a time, with an unnaturally advanced Anakin, is massively impressive. And considering that Dooku has exhausted his reserves after the whole fight, so he obviously would eventually fall before Zonakin. The text explicitly notes Anakin beating him "after" he had used all of his power.

Lol. Dooku never ''contended'' with Obi-Wan and Anakin

Because they outright massacred him, right? There really is no need to degrade Dooku's achievements.

@yousufkhan1212

I too never said anything like that. The Zabraks do win a hefty majority, if not every time. The reason is, that 2 vs 1 doesn't work that well in SW, at least how it logically should.

No, because you're funny.

Lol.

He get kicked in the face when he faced an early version of post-AotC Anakin, and stalemated with him.

He has stalemated with him in Dark Disciple for a significant time of period.

In Naboo, he has lost the saber duel, only saved his skin by using the Force, that's not incapacitated, that's BFR.

He only defeated him, when he had help from 4 MagnaGuards.

Savage is always ''rage-amped'' stop bullshiting, LMAO. And who said they were on ''defensive'' is this how Obi-Wan wankers debates ? Fanfiction arguments will not help you.

''Zonakin'' isn't real, your fanfiction arguments are very annoying. Anakin didn't need any amplification to defeat Dooku, he already did before only failed to capture him because of Dooku's Force powers. If you are arguing that Dooku would escape with using his Force powers, as he did against Anakin and pre-prime Savage and Ventress then that's fine, but arguing that Dooku would win a couple of rounds is pure fanboyism, nothing more.

RotS visual directory specifically says that they were overpowering Dooku. And he had to change his ground. There is no ''achievement'', even Savage or Ventress could hold their own, and they did.

@erkan12 These ROTJ Luke=Vader arguments are starting to piss me off

@erkan12

Right, I am not even making an argument for that. Devolving into a long range of insults and mockery isn't really what I like to do, and responding to hand-cherry-picked quotes served with fallacious theories, with generous toppings of hypocrisy and garnished with laughable arguments isn't the kind of cake I like to eat.

I wonder why you fixate on me though, if you think I am funny. If your true purpose is to genuinely debate, and make proper cases for your characters, you should be responding to someone who you think isn't funny, or is better than me. Someone like greysentinel365, or wollfmyth209, maybe? I can hardly imagine a serious debater responding to someone who he thinks is laughable. If all I can provide is fanfiction according to you, then challenge someone who you think is worthy of "your mightiness", and stop tagging me.

@greysentinel365

1. None of the key events of the fight take place in the novel (Like the ones you mentioned). Kenobi's kicks, the brothers synchronized attacks, Maul's blindside ragdoll etc etc. They don't happen. The fight is literally "Kenobi attacks, they're surprised, they try to pin him, the tunnel "gets in the way" Kenobi mutilates Savage".

Do you have the fight from the novel? Can you PM me?

Anyways, one should give partial priority at least. Because then, novels like ROTS or any novel from the movies, has some or the other discrepancy with the movie.

Obi and Anakin were able to tire Dooku in their season 6 duel and when just fooling around in RotS. There is no reason Maul and Savage can't accomplish the same when they're serious

Not really. Dooku contended with a much longer period of time against the duo, when they were serious, and then a similar period of time against Zonakin. It is more likely that Dooku's perfect leverage and composure was lost, and he was inconvenienced by that affair. At least, logically this is how it should be, because what happens afterwards, doesn't make a lot of sense if they actually tired Dooku from the start itself. And considering that this duo is a lot better than Maul and Savage, I don't see such a huge disadvantage for Dooku in that sense.

Thanks. And this is the quote:

"Dooku's Sith mastery barely gave him the edge over his former apprentices." - StarWars.com: Savage Opress Biography Gallery.

ok. Dooku vs Maul is debatable. Dooku vs Maul and Savage is not. 2 vs 1 is hardly fair when combatants are on similar level. Well maybe Savage is a little behind, but Maul and Dooku even had the same teacher.

No it isn't. Dooku is factually superior to Maul.

Luke has been stated to be his equal by both comic book and the novel.

Where is this ''factually'' coming from ? Lucas specifically said that Vader, Dooku and Maul are on the same level. And then we've Sidious, who said Dooku was a placeholder while Maul wasn't.

@erkan12:

Where is this ''factually'' coming from ? Lucas specifically said that Vader, Dooku and Maul are on the same level.

Lucas was implying they are in the same league, not same level. We've got a quote that says Dooku is more sophisticated, calculating and deadlier than Maul:

"More sophisticated, more calculating, and if anything deadlier than Maul, Count Dooku(a.k.a. Darth Tyranus) proved himself more than a match for the combined skills of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin Skywalker in Attack of the Clones." - Panel-to-Panel Volume 1

That means Dooku > Maul.

And then we've Sidious, who said Dooku was a placeholder while Maul wasn't.

That doesn't mean Maul wasn't inferior to Dooku. Dooku was a place holder because he was old and didn't have any Force potential to succeed Sidious. Maul however, wasn't a place holder because he had the potential to succeed Sidious (Darth Plagueis Novel + Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter + Maul: Lockdown)

@yousufkhan1212: Ok that's not even an opinion, that's an arrogant bias. Dooku vs Maul IS debatable, just look up countless posts on this form about this fight and people dragging their arguments for ages for both of these guys. They both are Sith Lords taught by Sidious, and both have achieved a very high level of swordsmanship and force mastery, each in their own way. Maul could fight both Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time and actually defeated both, killing Qui Gon without much effort and was killed basically by plot sword. After he returned he battled Obi Wan, much more powerful at the time and he EASILY defeated him again. Dooku has many feats but in the end he did lose to Anakin, who is roughly on Obi Wans level. So saying there is an obvious gap between the two is just cockiness, nothing more.

It is a mismatch.

...Eh, not sure how we can determine what Lucas exactly ''implies'' in here, he is very simple and clear with ''he was like Maul or Dooku'' , ''he wasn't strong as the Emperor'' ... You can't determine the level or league difference from here.

''From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku.''

-George Lucas

And this is TPM Maul by the way. Lucas said this in 2005.

That's TPM Maul. The release date of the panel-to-panel volume 1 is 2004. It's before Maul's TCW upgrade. I wasn't talking about a pre-prime Maul, I was talking about prime Maul, who has become more powerful in every category.

And being more sophisticate, calculate and deadlier doesn't make him ''factually'' superior anyway. He is just better than TPM Maul in these areas.

Do you have anything better than that ? I thought you've actually something about prime Maul or better than this ''sophisticate and deadlier'' thing.

What we've seen from Savage Opress and Quinlan Vos duels of Dooku, Maul has both physical strength and unpredictability advantages to overcome Dooku's classic fencing, elegant style. As @thoromdil says, it's still debatable.

Eh, fair enough. But Maul showed us that he was indeed powerful enough to surpass Dooku by coming from a near-death after TPM, who has become even more powerful than his TPM-self even with half body.

@thoromdil:

Ok that's not even an opinion, that's an arrogant bias.

Arrogant bias? Are you accusing me of having an ego and a distaste for Maul?

Dooku vs Maul IS debatable, just look up countless posts on this form about this fight and people dragging their arguments for ages for both of these guys.

There's not much to debate about Maul vs Dooku. Looking at the countless posts people make for either side doesn't mean it's debatable, it just means there are people who are very determined to defend either side.

They both are Sith Lords taught by Sidious, and both have achieved a very high level of swordsmanship and force mastery, each in their own way.

But Dooku's duelling skills and Force mastery is greater than Maul's, but not by a huge margin.

Maul could fight both Qui Gon and Obi Wan at the same time and actually defeated both, killing Qui Gon without much effort and was killed basically by plot sword.

That's a good duelling feat, but not something that's beyond Dooku's abilities.

After he returned he battled Obi Wan, much more powerful at the time and he EASILY defeated him again.

That's because Obi-Wan was physically beaten, ambushed before the fight even began, and wasn't in a good position to learn Maul actually returned. When they fought again, Obi-Wan wasn't recently physically beaten up or ambushed, and knew for a fact it was actually Maul... They fought to a stalemate, being evenly matched in a duelling contest.

Dooku has many feats but in the end he did lose to Anakin, who is roughly on Obi Wans level.

Anakin is better than Obi-Wan, and Maul has no chance of defeating ROTS Anakin & ROTS Obi-Wan at the same time.

So saying there is an obvious gap between the two is just cockiness, nothing more.

Dooku has Lightning, better Telekinetic feats, better duelling skills, and arguably more knowledgeable of lightsaber Forms and techniques.

It is a mismatch.

I wouldn't call it a mismatch.

@erkan12:

...Eh, not sure how we can determine what Lucas exactly ''implies'' in here, he is very simple and clear with ''he was like Maul or Dooku'' , ''he wasn't strong as the Emperor'' ... You can't determine the level or league difference from here.

''From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku.''

-George Lucas

And this is TPM Maul by the way. Lucas said this in 2005.

Lucas's statement of Vader being like Dooku or Maul doesn't mean all three of those guys are equals if that's what you're trying to suggest.

That's TPM Maul. The release date of the panel-to-panel volume 1 is 2004. It's before Maul's TCW upgrade. I wasn't talking about a pre-prime Maul, I was talking about prime Maul, who has become more powerful in every category.

I don't have anything for TCW Maul.

And being more sophisticate, calculate and deadlier doesn't make him ''factually'' superior anyway. He is just better than TPM Maul in these areas.

It still shows something.

Do you have anything better than that ? I thought you've actually something about prime Maul or better than this ''sophisticate and deadlier'' thing.

No :?

What we've seen from Savage Opress and Quinlan Vos duels of Dooku, Maul has both physical strength and unpredictability advantages to overcome Dooku's classic fencing, elegant style.

Maul's fighting style is not reliant on physical strength, I've never seen any text that shows Maul relying on his physical strength.

As @thoromdil says, it's still debatable.

That guy accused me of having "arrogant bias" which is hilarious because I'm a Maul supporter, he's not trust worthy.

Eh, fair enough. But Maul showed us that he was indeed powerful enough to surpass Dooku by coming from a near-death after TPM, who has become even more powerful than his TPM-self even with half body.

That just shows superior physicality such as durability and pain tolerance, and superior knowledge of the Dark Side of the Force by using his hatred for Obi-Wan, the man who robbed Maul of not just his legs, but chance of destroying the Jedi Order. The destruction of the Jedi Order was a goal that Maul was eager to take part in, from Maul's perspective, the whole point of why he existed was to destroy the Jedi. When Obi-Wan robbed Maul's chance of destroying the Jedi Order, Maul lost the singular purpose that defined the very core of his existence, and everything his entire life had been designed for was wasted. And what's worse is that he was robbed by a Jedi - the type of people he was trained to kill.

I don't think Maul's superior knowledge of the Dark Side will be a major factor when fighting Dooku.

Dooku dies like this:

Savage shoots him the face with a Force blast while Dooku is completely distracted by Maul, removing one of Dooku's eyes

Savage Force blasts Dooku's other eye when Dooku immediately after he recovers:

Maul puts a grenade in Dooku's trousers while Dooku is trying to recover, blasting one of Dooku's legs apart:

Maul puts another grenade in Dooku's other leg:

Team wins.

@yousufkhan1212 said:

Dooku dies like this:

Savage shoots him the face with a Force blast while Dooku is completely distracted by Maul, removing one of Dooku's eyes

Savage Force blasts Dooku's other eye when Dooku immediately after he recovers:

Maul puts a grenade in Dooku's trousers while Dooku is trying to recover, blasting one of Dooku's legs apart:

Maul puts another grenade in Dooku's other leg:

Team wins.

I see your Transformers comparison, and raise you a Lazy Town reference:

The team.

Team wins maybe 7-8/10 in very tough fights.