Which's more powerful?
Cosmic cube vs M'kraan crystal vs Infinity Gauntlet
M'kaan Crystal.
There are multiple Cosmic Cubes, and an Infinity Gauntlet in every Universe but the M'kaan Crystal is Multiversal.
@Pwok21 said:
M'kaan Crystal.
There are multiple Cosmic Cubes, and an Infinity Gauntlet in every Universe but the M'kaan Crystal is Multiversal.
This is exactly what I was thinking
@beautifulrevery:
Glad to see I'm not the only one that feels this way, seeing as we're the only ones who posted this.
@beautifulrevery: @Pwok21: I agree as well. Mkraan crystal is also the home of Phoenix of the White crown as well and the largest Power in all Marvel verses.
Trumps IG in power.
In terms of each item's contextual relevance: 1) M'Kraan Crystal 2) Infinity Gauntlet 3) Cosmic Cube
In terms of power demonstrated by those wielding the items. 1) Infinity Gauntlet 2) Cosmic Cube 3) M'Kraan Crystal
I think no one's ever used the M'Kraan Crystal to the effect of Infinity Gauntlet or even Cosmic Cube users, but the M'Kraan crystal is the most important item there since it serves as the nexus/connector of all universes in the omniverse, and it's been said that the omniverse would collapse if it were ever destroyed. But the most powerful wielder of any of those items would have to be Thanos with the IG, although if the Gauntlet were missing even one gem, it'd probably be less powerful than a Cosmic Cube. As everyone has already stated, there are many Infinity Gauntlets and Cosmic Cubes in the omniverse, but only one M'Kraan Crystal.
@fondofpacman said:
although if the Gauntlet were missing even one gem, it'd probably be less powerful than a Cosmic Cube.
Wrong . Even an Incomplete IG is far more potent than multiple CCUs used in conjunction . Magus with an incomplete IG(reality gem was missing) was able to rapidly finish the merging of 2 universes , whereas with 5 CCUs it was projected to take no less than several days to complete the same process .
You clearly never read Infinity War otherwise you wouldn't have made such an ill-informed statement .
@SirMethos said:
M'Kraan > Infinity Gauntlet > Cosmic Cube.
IG is universal, Cosmic Cube even less than that, and the M'Kraan Crystal is multiversal.
You have never read either Infinity War nor Ultraforce , which is why you are making such an incorrect assertion . The 616-IG has , on panel , been proven to operate at a multiversal+ scale , while the CCU has always been a universal level power at its peak .
IG trumps both with ease .
@CadenceV2 said:
@beautifulrevery: @Pwok21: I agree as well. Mkraan crystal is also the home of Phoenix of the White crown as well and the largest Power in all Marvel verses.
Trumps IG in power.
Horrible reasoning . The MKraan Crystal on panel has been shown to be little more than a multiversal Nexus . By your line of logic then , the Council of Reeds' Bridge is also the greater than all the other artifacts , since its a multiversal Nexus . The same line of reasoning can be applied to the Crossroads as well .
What showings/feats of the Crystal suggest that it can be placed in the same ballpark as a CCU or the IG , much less above them ?
@Hyper_God: You clearly wouldnt underate the Power Potential in weilding the M'Kraan to put IG far above it. A mere crack in it had the potential to wipe out the Universe. The white How Room where the PotWC is located can change universe in her hands.
IG is stuck to the Universe it came from.
@Hyper_God: Regardless, in the multiverse, there is only one M'Kraan Crystal, whilst there is one IG in every universe, and multiple Cosmic Cubes in each universe.
M'Kraan also houses WPOTC
@CadenceV2 said:
@Hyper_God: You clearly wouldnt underate the Power Potential in weilding the M'Kraan to put IG far above it. A mere crack in it had the potential to wipe out the Universe. The white How Room where the PotWC is located can change universe in her hands.
IG is stuck to the Universe it came from.
So ? The IG , on a mere whim , could easily imprison all the Abstracts of the universe , some of whom have been proven to be legitimate multiversal powers on-panel . An incomplete IG wielded by Magus , easily redirected the UN's blast on its own firer , and the UN has been proven on-panel to be a multiverse-buster . Phoenix never changed a universe in her hands . Its clear that you never read Here Comes Tomorrow , and are incapable of understanding context behind comicbook scenes .
That only applies to alternate IGs . You clearly never read Ultraforce or Infinity War . You don't know enough about either objects to weigh in , unlike me .
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: Regardless, in the multiverse, there is only one M'Kraan Crystal, whilst there is one IG in every universe, and multiple Cosmic Cubes in each universe.
M'Kraan also houses WPOTC
That's because its a multiversal Nexus . A fact which is irrelevant as to how they compare to each other in power . There is only one Nathaniel Richards in the multiverse now , going by your logic , he should be greater than the IG as well then . The same can be applied to the Crossroads and Bridge as well , both being multiversal Nexuses .
Irrelevant .
@Hyper_God: First off, I said "probably", implying uncertainty. And second, merging two universes with an incomplete IG doesn't prove that it's "stronger" than a CC, just better suited for completing that task. But thanks for trying to correct me in the most arrogant, dweeby way possible.
@Hyper_God: Irrelevant like your example. The M'Kraan can affect the 616 Universe without being there where IG cannot have a chance to harm a Wielder of the M'Kraan and White Hot Room from 616 Universe.
Deal with it.
@fondofpacman said:
@Hyper_God: First off, I said "probably", implying uncertainty. And second, merging two universes with an incomplete IG doesn't prove that it's "stronger" than a CC, just better suited for completing that task. But thanks for trying to correct me in the most arrogant, dweeby way possible.
The same merging two universes , which Magus admitted on-panel would take days to complete with his 5 CCUs . How that translates to "but that doesn't mean IG is not stronger!1!!!11" is beyond me .
@Hyper_God: You asked which was more powerful, not which made it's possesser the most powerful.
Besides, a crack in the M'Kraan Crystal has the power to destroy universes.
@Hyper_God: It just means the Infinity Gauntlet is more suited to merging two universes than a Cosmic Cube. Doesn't relate to direct power.
@CadenceV2 said:
@Hyper_God: Irrelevant like your example. The M'Kraan can affect the 616 Universe without being there where IG cannot have a chance to harm a Wielder of the M'Kraan and White Hot Room from 616 Universe.
My examples are spot-on , unlike yours . On-panel the 616 IG has been proven to operate in a reality beyond even the Living Tribunal's jurisdiction . On-panel it has been very bluntly stated that only the LT is immune to the IG's power . The MKraan Crystal is nothing more than a Multiversal nexus . Its status as such doesn't warrant an instant win against an artifact whose power has been established as being second only to the representative of the true Supreme Being(TOAA) .
Deal with it.
Concession accepted .
@Hyper_God: So again you dance around the fact if you control the M'Kraan you control the White Hot Room and as suchPotWC and all universes?
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: You asked which was more powerful, not which made it's possesser the most powerful.
Besides, a crack in the M'Kraan Crystal has the power to destroy universes.
And you replied by stating that your reasoning that there was only one iteration of a particular artifact(the MC) , somehow entails that its more powerful than the other 2 . A response which simply fails to properly answer which of the 2 is more powerful .
The UN has remade the multiverse . Yet in combat , an incomplete IG easily redirected its own blast against it . Just four gems going haywire , created countless realities in Ultraforce . Thanos unknowingly sent of an omni-directional blast bellowing out towards the multiverse , which ended up in the Beyond Realm , and devastated that dimension . These feats should give you an indication of the 616-IG's true power .
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: It just means the Infinity Gauntlet is more suited to merging two universes than a Cosmic Cube. Doesn't relate to direct power.
Nope , it means that an incomplete 616-IG can easily do in a much shorter span of time , what multiple CCUs would require considerable effort to do in a far longer time period . It clearly implies that even an incomplete IG is far more powerful than multiple CCUs used in conjunction(a fact which is made clear further in the series in a discussion between the Goddess and her disciples) .
Your logic has been pi$$-poor in this thread . You use the reasoning that since there is only one MC in the multiverse ,therefore that entails that its more powerful than either the IG or the CC . I present a legit feat in which an incomplete IG outperforms multiple CCUs being used in conjunction, and you dismiss it as the IG simply being more efficient at performing that feat . This is stuff easy enough for even 8-year olds to grasp .
@Hyper_God: Sigh. I'm going to state this once and only once.
The Infinity Gauntlet by itself is useless. It needs somebody to be wearing it to direct it's power.
The M'Kraan Crystal has shown that it does not need to be possessed or used to direct power.
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: Sigh. I'm going to state this once and only once.
The Infinity Gauntlet by itself is useless. It needs somebody to be wearing it to direct it's power.
The M'Kraan Crystal has shown that it does not need to be possessed or used to direct power.
You're shifting the goalposts I see .
The IG on-panel has shown greater displays of power than the Crystal . It just doesn't get any clearer than that .
That's because the MKraan Crystal is a multiversal Nexus , not an omnipotent artifact like the IG . Its power is not meant to be possessed or used by anyone .
@Hyper_God said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@Hyper_God: So again you dance around the fact if you control the M'Kraan you control the White Hot Room and as suchPotWC and all universes?
I don't consider your fantastical , out-of-context interpretations of comic book scenes to be facts .
IG wins . :)
I will let you have one ;)
@CadenceV2 said:
@Hyper_God said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@Hyper_God: So again you dance around the fact if you control the M'Kraan you control the White Hot Room and as suchPotWC and all universes?
I don't consider your fantastical , out-of-context interpretations of comic book scenes to be facts .
IG wins . :)
I will let you have one ;)
One what ? A concession ? Don't worry , you give that to me in every encounter we have .
@Hyper_God: Living Tribunal disabled it with a wave of his hand.
Therefore, in a comic book sense, it isn't.
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: Living Tribunal disabled it with a wave of his hand.
Therefore, in a comic book sense, it isn't.
LT needed Warlock's consent to do so . Which in itself is completely inconsequential , when the Illuminati recently discovered that it could still function(ever since the LT's second ruling on the matter , which supposedly barred the gems from being used ever again , no matter what crisis).
In a comic book sense , it still is .
@Hyper_God: If there is a being who can disable it so easily, it is not.
Also, Adam Warlock tried to use it on LT, that's why he disabled it.
In a comic book sense, it still isn't.
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: If there is a being who can disable it so easily, it is not.
Also, Adam Warlock tried to use it on LT, that's why he disabled it.
In a comic book sense, it still isn't.
Its crystal clear that you never read the IG saga . Warlock only ever used its power against lesser Abstracts . When he confronted LT , LT was unsure whether he had the power to subdue him or not . Upon determining that he did , LT revealed that in their struggle all of reality would be plundered . LT essentially guilt-trapped Warlock into giving up the IG .
Not to mention that none of this even addresses the Illuminati incident . How do you get around that ?
In a comic book sense , it still is .
@Hyper_God: If it can be disabled, it is not omnipotent
Illuminati incident? Bad writing and the fact that Marvel have to have the IG around.
I'm done.
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: If it can be disabled, it is not omnipotent
Illuminati incident? Bad writing and the fact that Marvel have to have the IG around.
I'm done.
Nope , it could only be disabled once the wielder of the IG consented to give it up . And Eternity confirmed that it was TOAA's power in reality which sealed the IG :
"Let it be known that the power which the Tribunal represents will never again allow the gems to work in unison."
You clearly never read the Illuminati/IG/Hood saga(all of which is 100% canon) . Here , let me help you :
It still happened on-panel , and is canon to the IG .
Concession accepted .
Hahaha--perfectly put. Is this guy trying to take Erik's place on CV? I basically agree with your eariler statement, except that I think multiple separate Infinity Gems would be more powerful than a single Cube.@Hyper_God: First off, I said "probably", implying uncertainty. And second, merging two universes with an incomplete IG doesn't prove that it's "stronger" than a CC, just better suited for completing that task. But thanks for trying to correct me in the most arrogant, dweeby way possible.
@Owie said:
Hahaha--perfectly put. Is this guy trying to take Erik's place on CV? I basically agree with your eariler statement, except that I think multiple separate Infinity Gems would be more powerful than a single Cube.
Unlike me , you don't know enough about either artifact to make a proper judgement call .
@Hyper_God: Living Tribunal operates entirely on TOAA power though.
It's still bad writing.
I'm not conceding a damned thing. I'm just done arguing with someone as stubborn as you.
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: Living Tribunal operates entirely on TOAA power though.
It's still bad writing.
I'm not conceding a damned thing. I'm just done arguing with someone as stubborn as you.
So you accept that the true Supreme Being's power can seal the IG once its wielder has willingly given it up ? Good .
It still happened on-panel and is canon .
You said you were done a page ago . I'll allow you to keep coming back just to let you prove how much you love me .
How charming, and also incorrect, and also based on no evidence on your part.@Owie said:
Hahaha--perfectly put. Is this guy trying to take Erik's place on CV? I basically agree with your eariler statement, except that I think multiple separate Infinity Gems would be more powerful than a single Cube.Unlike me , you don't know enough about either artifact to make a proper judgement call .
@Hyper_God said:
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: Living Tribunal operates entirely on TOAA power though.
It's still bad writing.
I'm not conceding a damned thing. I'm just done arguing with someone as stubborn as you.
So you accept that the true Supreme Being's power can seal the IG once its wielder has willingly given it up ? Good .
It still happened on-panel and is canon .
You said you were done a post ago . I'll allow you to keep coming back just to let you prove how much you love me .
Fixed.
@Owie said:
@Hyper_God said:How charming, and also incorrect, and also based on no evidence on your part.@Owie said:
Hahaha--perfectly put. Is this guy trying to take Erik's place on CV? I basically agree with your eariler statement, except that I think multiple separate Infinity Gems would be more powerful than a single Cube.Unlike me , you don't know enough about either artifact to make a proper judgement call .
I have provided sufficient proof to back up my stances throughout this thread . What have you done apart from cheerleading another equally clueless individual like yourself , on a point you obviously have no idea about ?
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God said:
@Lunar Wolf said:
@Hyper_God: Living Tribunal operates entirely on TOAA power though.
It's still bad writing.
I'm not conceding a damned thing. I'm just done arguing with someone as stubborn as you.
So you accept that the true Supreme Being's power can seal the IG once its wielder has willingly given it up ? Good .
It still happened on-panel and is canon .
You said you were done a post ago . I'll allow you to keep coming back just to let you prove how much you love me .
Fixed.
My post is still the same . What did you fix ?
@Hyper_God said:
You have never read either Infinity War nor Ultraforce , which is why you are making such an incorrect assertion . The 616-IG has , on panel , been proven to operate at a multiversal+ scale , while the CCU has always been a universal level power at its peak .
IG trumps both with ease .
Incorrect.
I have read both Infinity War and Ultraforce. However, I have also read later comics, and know that the Infinity Gauntlet has(along with a ton of other things in Marvel) been retconned.
The Infinity Gauntlet during Infinity War/Ultraforce was a multiversal object, made of the separated pieces of Nemesis, the original Multiversal being.
Later on though, we have seen(in the Council of Reeds, among other places) that the Infinity Gauntlet is now purely a Universal object. Its power is restricted purely to its universe of origin(i.e. the IG of the 616-universe, only works in the 616-universe).
In comparison, as has already been pointed out, merely a minor crack in the M'Kraan Crystal, was enough to nearly wipe out the entire 616 universe. And the wielder could easily affect the entire Megaverse.
To repeat: M'Kraan > IG > Cosmic Cube.
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