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EDIT: If my post has a harsh tone to it please don't be bothered. That wasn't my intention, I was just trying to write this reply really quickly.
Why? Lifting /=/ Striking for the most part.
OK well they are in the 10 tonner tier. That's the point, I'm just using the term 10 tonner to classify them. I don't really care how much they can actually lift, their attack power is what matters.
Its impressive, but unless he literally crushed the guards neck (bone, flesh and all) it probably isn't that superhuman. Humans can crush windpipes, it's not something you need to be superhuman to perform. A gripping/closing action in the hand isn't pure finger tips either.
Breaking flesh isn't really that difficult. Yes he literally crushed the guard's neck. His neck broke and he died. It's impossible to actually break a human neck in real life. Don't let action movies fool you. Arrow takes the realistic approach to this trope because Barry Allen literally confirmed in the same episode that it takes 1,250 foot pounds of torque to break a human neck. Grundy can generate over half a ton of force in just his grip with no effort.
Grundy was pretty stand out with the exception of Slade tbh. All the Mirakuru users were strong but some have much lower showings than others (I.e being overpowered by Oliver). Striking isn't consistent either. You have the single best striking feat;
And a few others like Slade punching through a mercenary unintentionally. But then you have the level they are at most of the time, which is non-fatal punches at Arrow street levelers. Now as I mentioned before not all Mirk users are equal. But Roy, the very same Mirk user who has the highest end feat was incapable of doing the same thing to a regular human, providing no defence whatsoever even when he was unloading kicks and punches into him.
Grundy wasn't stand-out. There were only four named Mirakuru users. Grundy, Slade, Roy and Caleb. All four of them have the same feats. Grundy smashed down a giant reinforced titanium door, Roy tore open a reinforced container, and Caleb threw a cop car while getting shot at. Like I said, Slade ironically has the least impressive strength feats, but there's nothing actually inconsistent. We never saw his upper limits.
No Mirakuru user was ever physically overpowered by Oliver.
Arrow peak humans surviving their strikes just means Arrow has strong fighters.
Roy never tried to kill anybody. He beat around a corrupt judge or lawyer, sending him flying with simple punts and using his body to accidentally smash up the area, but he was never actually trying to kill him. Roy isn't evil.
No inconsistencies. No low showings at all. The only low showing I can even think of is Slade being incapacitated by those falling beams, which is such a HUGE inconsistency that I wouldn't even put any stock into it at all. Those tiny metal wires probably weighed like, a few hundred pounds. The epitome of PIS, it was all the writers could think of for Oliver to win. PIS should be disregarded. Besides that, there's not a single low showing. If you think there are inconsistencies or low showings, please list them for me and I'll try to respond (losing to the heroes is not a low showing. That's the entire point I'm trying to prove, that Mirakuru users are powerful and Arrow fighters beat them. You can't use the fact that Arrow fighters beat Mirakuru users to prove that Mirakuru users are weak and therefore Arrow fighters aren't great, that's backwards logic). But I just listed a bunch of feats for all four named Mirakuru users and they are all consistent with each other, again, besides Slade because he was never put in a situation where he needed much brute strength, however his durability feats are easily the best of all so there's no reason to believe he is any weaker physically.
We know Slade probably has the best durability, that feat alone doesn't mean he is the strongest. We can infer it from the fact he leads them and that other users (Blood) fear him greatly, but that could be from his combat skill just as much as his strength. An argument could be made for him being stronger than Grundy, but by nearly double (6<10) the amount? That's a pretty extreme jump.
Well Grundy carried the centrifuge over one shoulder. Unless his left arm is drastically weaker than his right, that makes him a 12 tonner.
Most of the things Mirk users did were like Cap.
Cap is super soldier level. He punches people far away and break submarine glass. Mirakuru users are outright metahuman. Everything that I talked about in my previous post, Cap could not do. Cap could not even come close to knocking down a giant reinforced hangar door, tearing open a bomb blast container, or lifting and throwing a police car. And even though Slade has the worst strength feats, the distances that he sends men flying and the ease with which he does it is even superior to Cap. Captain America isn't even anywhere close to as strong as Mirakuru users, the giant reinforced titanium door is a dead indication that Grundy is on a higher level, and not to mention Mirakuru users have natural super speed, regeneration and enhanced senses, which Cap does not. Mirakuru as a whole is on a different level from the Super Soldier Serum. Like I said before, people just throw Mirakuru users into the Super Soldier tier without really thinking about it, but when you actually look at what they were capable of, they were capable of so much more. That doesn't mean Steve can't defeat any Mirakuru user besides Slade through his fighting skills, shield, intelligence, will power etc, it's just clear that in sheer physicality, Steve isn't on the level of a Mirakuru user.
Now this is all speaking on consistent capabilities. Cap definitely seems like he's going through an amp. If crushing jeeps with motorcycles and holding back helicopters becomes his norm, I'll be the first in line to say he beats Deathstroke and can solo Team Arrow. But as of right now, going by consistency, he is objectively so much weaker than any Mirakuru, lacks their physical versatility, and even with all his training, the natural speed of Mirakuru users is probably still on par with him. A guy like Slade meanwhile is much faster.
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