In this corner... The challenger... Weighing in at somewhere in the vicinity of 5,000 pounds worth of muscle... The heavyweight champion... The zombie slayer king... The fearless, courageous, hero of the B.S.A.A proudly brandishing his signature stockpile of weaponry... CHRIS... REEEDDDFIIIEEELD!!!!
And in this corner... The leaping lawyer of Hell's Kitchen... The Man Without Fear himself... Weighing in at near-weightlessness, or at least, he might as well be with those skills... It's the horn-headed vigilante himself... MATT MURDOCK DAREDEVIL!!!!!
Battle Location: Abandoned village
This is a "Challenge a Viner" personal debate between myself and sionistheking, please do not interfere.
@sionistheboss: You can go first, or you can wait for me, up to you. Unfortunately I do not yet know of my internet situation, so it may not be until the third when I reply.
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I like this fight. It boils down to power vs agility, with two of my favorite characters. I, of course, have often been known to favor power in those debates, as even though Matt Murdock is much more agile than Chris, and he even holds the advantage in fighting skill, I am telling you that it just is not possible to defeat someone with THAT much weight on you. At the end of the day they are both peak humans, that puts them within the same tier, meaning that even though Daredevil is faster, he can't be so much faster that he can completely dance around every move Chris makes forever. He's going to get hit once in awhile. However going the other way around, you will soon find that Chris's power is not restricted to peak human, as Daredevil's is, thus if speed and power cancel each other out, this edge gives Chris the advantage.
You said that you don't play Resident Evil, so allow me to open with a bit of basic information on Chris.
Chris Redfield joined the military at the age of 17, where he took part in missions overseas and was trained rigorously in hand-to-hand and knife combat, as well as marksmanship and piloting. Despite his youth, Chris was a natural soldier and had been described by his commanding officers as "uncompromising", "possessing unwavering dedication" and having a "high level of adaptability". Unfortunately it were these same traits which led to Chris coming into repeated conflict with his superiors, and he was eventually discharged from the military without honors.
In his midtwenties and already an experienced soldier, Chris drifted across the U.S. before eventually being recruited for Raccoon City's S.T.A.R.S. force, an elite unit of hand-picked specialists, mostly ex-military, made to fight the increasing terrorist activity the city was suffering. Chris was one in a total of 12 among their ranks, and furthered his training and experiences even more as pointman of the S.T.A.R.S. alpha team.
However, unbeknownst to the S.T.A.R.S. team, their formation was in reality, all part of a much more sinister scheme at the hands of the powerful Umbrella Corporation. Training an elite group into the best and most dangerous fighting unit possible, Umbrella, who had been developing deadly Bio-Organic Weapons and experimental Super Soldiers for the military, planned to use S.T.A.R.S. as bait to test the battle proficiency of their new monsters. The virus was leaked into the mansion, countless were infected, and the horror began.
S.T.A.R.S. was almost completely wiped out by the monsters. In addition to standard zombies, of which there were hundreds, the team also faced hordes of the regenerated berserker Crimson Heads, the deadly and viscous zombie dogs called Cerberus, the mutated giant fly-hybrid creatures called Chimera with hands like scythes, and of course, the Hunters, Killer Croc-like frog/gorilla creatures with blinding speed, superior senses and strength, razor sharp talons, and the conditioned instincts of a hunter. In addition to many other, lesser monsters. Not to mention the various mutant bosses; the giant snake Yawn, the giant shark Neptune, the giant acid spitting Plant 42, and of course the ultimate killing life form, Tyrant.
Most of the team was killed off within mere minutes of the mission starting. They couldn't keep up with the Cerberus dogs. Chris Redfield was the only one able to fight his way through not only the mansion, but also the dormitories and the underground caverns, and locate the secret laboratories themselves, killing all the monsters and escaping, while rescuing fellow S.T.A.R.S. members Jill Valentine and Rebecca Chambers in the process.
The man most responsible for this horror was the S.T.A.R.S. commander, Albert Wesker, who had secretly been a double-agent working for Umbrella. Wesker faked his death at the mansion only to come back with superpowers and a plan to gain ultimate power. Unfortunately for him, nobody ever expected it was possible for a S.T.A.R.S. member to actually kill all the B.O.W.s (Bio-Organic Weapons) and escape, thus Wesker's plans were ruined and a bitter hatred for Chris formed inside him.
Chris would have several more adventures shortly after and save the whole world a couple times. His trainings and experience improved even further when he formed the BSAA, or Bioterrorism Security Assessment Alliance, the most elite special forces organization in the world, and became it's top agent and eventually, a Captain.
By this point in the timeline, Chris has become a legendary soldier and successfully completed more missions for the BSAA than any other agent in the entire organization. He is, undoubtedly, FAR more experienced than Daredevil. Although Matt is a pro in his own right by this point, he hasn't come close to going up against the level of threats, at the frequency and consistency as Chris does. FACT.
Chris's Advantages
In a melee confrontation, Chris's greatest asset is his tremendous power. Even back during the Mansion Incident in 1998 when he was (comparatively) a rookie, Chris was always the strong man of the team, and was shown performing inhuman feats of strength and endurance, such as more or less tanking the bite of a giant, 40 foot long and 26 ton snake as well as the resulting poison, which effectively crippled fellow S.T.A.R.S. team member Richard Aiken almost instantly and could potentially kill him within mere minutes.
In order to survive, he requires the player to quickly run and go get the serum for him, then he rests in a safe room for half the game until he's finally capable of walking. Chris however, merely fell to his knees a moment, shook it off, then ran across the mansion to retrieve the serum himself, all the while still fighting monsters, then didn't require any rest at all after injecting the serum and just continued the mission immediately. (For anyone who has played the game, this happens when you tell Rebecca NOT to come with you after meeting her in the safe room. Otherwise, she will bring Chris the serum. But either way, it's possible for Chris to do it on his own)
And that's what makes Chris's endurance so ridiculous. The fact that the storylines in his games don't last longer than a day or two, so EVERYTHING that he does and ALL the enemies he fights and ALL the damage he takes is all just part of a huge, grueling gauntlet. The most impressive testament to his strength and endurance is the fact that he was actually able to resist Plant 42's vines.
Plant 42 is the gigantic, acid-spewing plant monster within the bowels of the dormitories. Apparently it got so huge by capturing the scientists who were studying it and immediately crushing them in its grip, and then absorbing their blood through its suckers. By virtue of sheer size, the thing is easily like, a 20 tonner. Their are several possible variations on the boss fight. In the first, Chris will enter the room and be grabbed by Plant 42's vines. The Plant will throw him around for a minute and try to squeeze his guts out, then eventually it just smashes him face-first into the ground and the boss battle begins. That in itself is superhuman, not only was Chris not crushed by the Plant's vines like normal humans are, but he wasn't even seriously injured. And after being slammed into the floor, he just stood up immediately and began fighting. I read a lot of Daredevil, and I have no doubts that Matt would be crippled by such an attack. This puts Chris's durability on an entirely separate tier from Matt Murdock.
But the ALTERNATE and even MORE impressive encounter with Plant 42 involves Chris being ensnared by its vines, and just continually crushed without being let go this time. Rebecca hears his screams and enters the room to help, but he tells her it's no use. She has to run all the way to the chem lab, figure out a complex riddle detailing the formula for a serum that can kill Plant 42, actually create the serum, then run all the way to the other side of the dormitories and into the basement to administer the formula into Plant 42's roots, and FINALLY the giant plant let's Chris go- err, actually it once again smashes him into the ground, face first before shriveling up and dying. Chris endured being crushed by that thing for like, 10 minutes straight. And that's while simultaneously getting his blood drained by the suckers on its vines.
And then Plant 42 immediately regenerated forcing Chris to fight it anyway with no rest or recovery.
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Wow. No comic book peak human that I've ever seen could do this. Imagine wrestling with a giant superhuman monster for 10 minutes straight, your arms flexed and strained literally the entire time, constantly, without a break, and successfully holding it back from squeezing your guts out which it can do to a normal human in an instant. It's in the definition, this is literally a superhuman feat for Chris. And now add on the fact that Plant 42's vines have suckers that drain its victim's blood, and the fact that even after all this damage and exertion, Chris wasn't actually seriously fatigued and could start fighting immediately.
If THAT didn't put him down, do you really think that Daredevil will? If Chris can endure Plant 42's vine crush for 10 minutes and still fight, that literally means he can stand around and allow Daredevil to beat on him for 10 minutes, and then still fight afterwards. Let alone in an actual fight where Daredevil wouldn't land nearly as many hits because he'll be actively fighting and dodging and Chris will be dodging too. In all likelihood, a fight like this couldn't even last 10 minutes. Matt just has no way of actually putting Chris down. He's an inhuman tank. Unless somebody thinks that Daredevil is stronger than Plant 42, which would be kinda weird. Now on the flipside, Matt isn't strong enough to endure more than a handful of Chris's punches in total. Back in the classic days he could be two or threeshotted by the likes of Kingpin and Gladiator, and nowadays, even though his durability has gotten better, he's still not on the level where he can trade blows with a powerhouse like Chris Redfield.
More importantly than that is the fact that any of Chris's weapons can kill Daredevil in one shot. Some require a precise hit in order to instantly kill but will always deal tremendous, game changing damage no matter what (knife, assault rifle) and others don't even need to hit Matt, just land somewhat near him, and his body will be obliterated (rockets, grenades).
Even against a superhumanly fast and berserker Crimson Head, despite their great endurance and regeneration, Chris Redfield is capable of killing one in a mere instant using his knife, with a single, precise slash to the jugular.
Daredevil only uses his fists and a billy club. He can't come close to the potential damage output that a weapons master like Chris possesses. And the best part is that even if Chris is disarmed, he has an entire stockpile of weaponry available to him that he can rapidly switch between.
Daredevil might be the best acrobat in the Marvel universe, but he's still at a big disadvantage if he's facing a master marksman. And even though Matt has gone up against the likes of Punisher, Winter Soldier, even Bullseye proving his dodging skills, by the same token, Daredevil isn't exactly new to Chris either. He faces REAL bullet timers on a regular basis.
This right here, is an actual bullet timing feat. A canon fodder J'avo getting shot at from the side while off guard, and ducking underneath the bullet. A mach 2 assault rifle bullet. Daredevil, has no real bullet timing feats. He's just exceptionally agile and his radar allows him to telegraph gunshots.
We clearly see the gun go off, before the J'avo moves, and it's all in the same shot. This is actual bullet timing.
And to go even further, it's stated that even when a J'avo DOES get shot, their bodies are so tough that the bullets "don't even faze 'em.'"
Pretty elite canon fodder eh? Here is what a master marksman like Chris Redfield can do through sheer precision.
THAT is the type of precision Daredevil is dealing with. Somehow, Chris lands one bullet on the J'avo and blows its entire head off. That is impossible precision, and unlike the J'avo, Daredevil won't be regenerating from that.
Of course the J'avo aren't nearly as skilled or agile as Matt Murdock, but when Chris is taking them on in whole hordes almost singlehandedly, it kinda makes up for that fact. But this gif is more to show the actual damage output of Chris's weapons, moreso than his accuracy. We'll talk about whether Daredevil can dodge all his bullets later. Right now, the point is that Daredevil is at a gigantic disadvantage in terms of damage output, from every conceivable angle. He's facing an opponent with the ability to kill him in one hit, without a way to damage that enemy himself. How can anyone possible expect Daredevil to overcome those odds?
Here, Chris lands a double heart-head shot on a sprinting Majini, in order to kill him instantly and prevent a mutation. Once again, just goes to show how quickly Chris can stop the fight, if Matt makes one single mistake.
I just think it'd be blatant overestimation of the character to say that Daredevil can somehow find a way to defeat an opponent, whom he can not injure, but who can kill HIM with one hit, when that opponent is also more experienced and tactically sound than he is.
Chris's Disadvantages
Speed, obviously. Although I'm actually going to make a controversial statement and say that Chris is just as fast or faster than Matt with equally sharp reflexes, while Daredevil is merely more agile. That gives Matt the advantage over all, but it's clearly not an insurmountable advantage. To put it basically, the power gap is much larger than the maneuverability gap.
Physically Chris is super soldier level, which is generally above what Matt is capable of. Despite his bulk, he was actually fast enough to physically outrace a jet preparing to takeoff down the runway, and he did it with complete ease.
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This is actually a pretty incredible feat for Chris. Just look at how quickly he catches up to the plane, he must have been running multiple times faster than it, whereas Sheva Alomar had to push herself in order to just barely catch up in the end. And Sheva is probably just as agile as Matt Murdock is.
So in actual raw speed, actual physical movement, this proves beyond any doubt that Matt will actually have to play catch up to Chris. Despite his flexibility and nimbleness, Daredevil just can't match the raw Super Soldier speed of an over-the-top character like Chris.
The other facet is reflexes, and I think Daredevil's radar allowing him to telegraph things more accurately gives him a genuine advantage which Chris can not match. But again, just in terms of sheer physical capability, Chris should be just as if not more sharp than Matt. He doesn't patrol Hell's Kitchen every night fighting muggers and rapists. He's spent over a decade fighting in the most dangerous battlefields in human history. Most of the time it's just him and one other partner, literally going up against an entire army of armed super soldiers. Whereas Chris's body count is always in the upper hundreds, not once has he himself ever been shot on these crowded battlefields. That's quite a testament to his ability.
Chris is regularly able to react to and even sometimes tag Albert Wesker in combat. Considering Wesker is a full-grown man and can move his entire body at invisible speeds, this puts him on a higher tier from anybody who Daredevil has ever fought before. Not even Spider-Man can consistently move at outright invisible speeds, so fast that the human brain is just completely unable to process or perceive him at all, so it appears as if he is completely invisible.
I mean if you pause it at the right time, you can even somehow see right through Wesker as if he has literally disappeared. This is true INVISIBLE speeds, and in all the comics I've read and even all the battle forum threads I've seen, not once has Daredevil ever proven he can react to something this fast.
Yet here is Chris, doing it at least once in every single physical encounter he has ever had with Wesker. How does he do it? I don't know. It makes no sense if Wesker is too fast for the human eye to perceive. Chris must have some extremely enhanced perceptions in order to do this.
Examples of Chris tagging Wesker before he could react. In the first gif Wesker is angry, in the second he's actually impressed.
Examples of Chris reacting to Wesker and dodging him, while severely injured, and even with his back turned.
For more reference on Wesker's speed, here aremultiple sourcesconfirming that itis actually possibleto see bullets in flight. Most people assume that you can't, but here's the proof that you can. And those are minuscule projectiles, something like a supersonic jet would not be difficult to perceive at all. Clearly, it is well within the realm of human possibility to perceive objects moving at the speed of sound, and yet Albert Wesker, a full grown man, moves too fast to be seen. Chris reacting to him, even a little bit, is amazing.
Although of course it's a lot more difficult to react to a living, thinking human who can react and change their course, rather than a projectile stuck in a fixed line. Daredevil isn't actually a bullet timer, but even if he was, bullet timing feats still wouldn't be as impressive as dodging Wesker.
Now when it comes to linear projectiles, since they aren't master martial artists like Wesker is who can maneuver around and change course, Chris is actually able to react at even FASTER speeds! Like when he caught (RE: caught, not dodged) Wesker's sunglasses after Wesker himself threw them. The sunglasses were thrown ahead of Wesker and were therefore even faster than he was. Chris perceiving a tiny object moving multiple times faster than Wesker, enough to catch them by the handle even though he was unprepared is... unbelievable reflexes.
Ninjutsu, taekwondo, judo, boxing, muai thai, wrestling and maybe kickboxing
Although with the help of his radar sense, I actually do think Daredevil (at his best) could do this too. But it just proves that Chris and Matt are on pretty equal ground when it comes to reaction time.
And perhaps most impressively of all, Chris was even fast enough to barrel roll out the way of Alexia Ashford's blood splatter. Alexia was possibly the most powerful character in Resident Evil history, and Wesker himself had to use his superhuman agility just to barely stay ahead of her attacks. It was one of the few times where Wesker actually struggled, he even failed and got tagged a few times. Yet Chris, with a bum knee no less, was fast enough to barrel roll out the way as soon as Alexia's blood headed towards him, and successfully dodge it completely at the exact same time as Wesker.
Chris then went on to fight and defeat Alexia by himself. The most powerful character in the franchise, killed by a regular man. I am confident in saying that Daredevil has rarely ever even faced an opponent as powerful as Alexia, and never has he defeated one.
As for hand-to-hand fighting skills, that is Daredevil's advantage. However, I would like to point out that Chris himself is highly trained in or even a master of at least 7 or 8 different fighting styles, which is actually more than Daredevil This includes Ninjutsu, Taekwondo, Judo, Boxing, Muai Thai, Wrestling, Karate and maybe Kickboxing. Here are some quick examples of his melee fighting skills against physically dominant monsters and super soldiers, just to give you an idea that he's no novice, and he has the advantage of incorporating lethal weapons into his melee.
The Fight
As a fan of Daredevil myself, I'm willing to admit that Matt can avoid the initial barrage of gunfire and get close enough to Chris to engage in melee combat. Although since Chris is no novice in CQC, Matt will quickly find himself in a very difficult situation. He might be able to faze Chris and keep him off balance, but he'll never deal any actual damage. With those weapons at his side and not to mention raw striking power, Chris can quickly turn the tables of the fight as soon as Daredevil makes just one single mistake. It doesn't even need to be a huge mistake, Chris is an expert fighter in his own right so he just needs to get that single edge on Matt in order to take the advantage. So Matt needs to somehow control a fight against a much stronger and more aggressive opponent. If he doesn't, then he'll get taken by one of those weapons and then it's all over.
Eventually when Matt isn't dealing any damage, he or Chris might break from the melee, and then it's just another opportunity for Chris to shoot him. Likely bust out the grenades for AOE followed by spread-shots with the rifle to corner Daredevil in. The lawyer is good but he can't dodge forever.
Final Points
Pressure points are an option but not only is Daredevil's ability with them inconsistent (he's not all 100% dropping Thor villains and whatever. Sometimes, a regular peak human can resist his techniques. He might not be able to severely damage Chris, even if he does land one) but he's incapable of landing them on a fast and skilled fighter.
Chris is fast enough to keep up with Matt and could take him off guard with a surprising show of acrobatics in his own right. It's commented by characters that Chris is a lot more agile than he looks, and he has the feats to prove it.
Even if Daredevil is a master bullet dodger, his lack of damage output means this will be a prolonged fight. That's just more and more opportunities for Chris to finally get in that lucky shot. Matt isn't a speedster or anything, he's a normal man, so it'd be ridiculous to think he can dodge hundreds of bullets forever.
Ok so in order to conserve time and space, I'm going to skip DD's backstory. This is because you obviously know the character. I'm also going to focus on the rebuttal, if that's alright. Anyway, here we go.
Rebuttal
I'm going to start by analyzing Chris's "power". Looking at the two main pieces of evidence you gave: The snake bite and the Plant 42 attack. Both of these feats quite obscure. The snake bite obviously does a lot of damage (considering the sheer size of the snake) and the poison is obviously extremely dangerous. However, obviously the real threat was the poison, not the bite (just looking at how the other S.T.A.R.S agent took the actual bite). Considering how long Chris can move and fight while poisoned, it is obvious that Chris isn't easily tired, and can withstand powerful poison. He can also take one hell of a hit. While this does mean DD wont be one shoting Chris with a strike (was never expecting that to be the case) and wont be running circles around Chris until he's tired, it doesn't prove that continuous blows wont do the trick, or that Chris is particularly tanky. I'd also like to know where you got the snakes stats. As for Plant 42, this is also not that tanky. You said that it was squeezing chris, which is what really shows that Chris can take damage. However, no where I've looked has it said that the plant uses it's tentacles to crush its victims. They are purely for blood sucking. Chris also didn't have a physical confrontation afterwards, but used a gun to kill it. Not so impressive. This shows that DD can't bleed chris out, but again, this wouldn't be his strategy. In fact, compared to these two feats, I honestly think DD has superior durability. Here are two scans that show DD tanking far superior blows.
He takes a point blank explosion from Nitro, and then hunts him down and beats him up. He caught up to him and defeated him with broken ribs and a SEVERE concussion.
Now I couldn't find the scan of him after, but he is seen running (key word, running) through the sewer. Not only did he survive a building falling on him, but he had enough energy to run away.
DD has also taken down far more durable villains, like the Kingpin (who was shot seven times, fell off a bridge and not only survived but stood up calmly with no sign of pain), Tombstone (no explanation needed) and Absorbing Man (he defeated him while he was made of diamond).
As for Chris's strength, you never actually posted any strength feats. You said that Chris could easily take down DD in a few hits, but had no evidence backing this. However, considering he has tanked both the above, I doubt Chris can take him out so easily. DD also fights stronger enemies all the time, including those characters mentioned above, Bullet, Bulldozer and more.
As for the arsenal argument, I'd first like to ask for a full list of weapons Chris will be using. Trying to guess his armament makes it hard to argue against the character. Anyway, DD fights characters with lethal weaponry all the time. He dodges and deflects bullets regularly, and also dodges explosions. Hell, he tanked a point blank explosion (see above). Grenades have 57g of tnt in them (the powerful ones at least) and Nitro gives a minimum blast equivalent to 4.5kg of tnt. Get my point? The Crimson Head thing doesn't truly apply here. the thing wasn't even looking at him and appears to have very little reflex speed. DD would be using his radar sense and sonar hearing to know exactly where Chris is and easily dodge that. I will also agree that Chris out guns DD, but only because he needs all those weapons. DD can use only one thing, his billy clubs, to block bullets, deal powerful melee blows, and use it as a (short) ranged weapon if he needs to. The J'avo feat is impressive... for the J'avo. Yes the gun gets shot before the J'avo dodges, but that doesn't mean the shooter didn't missed the first shot, allowing it to duck before the next shots. This is something DD can easily replicate. Here DD dodges bullets from a surprise attack by Winter Soldier, in mid air.
He dodges more bullets for another scan before they are interrupted. However this is just one showing of his bullet dodging skill. Wolverine also comments on how you can't sneak up on DD, which I can back up with scans if need be. As or the other J'avo scan, that bit of accuracy was child's play compared to Bullseye, Punisher, or even Winter Soldier. But I won't linger on that, considering it was about damage output. I know that guns will hurt and kill DD. He's not bullet proof. But he has dodged and deflected them many times before. I can show dozens of examples of this, but the bottom line is that Chris won't hit him. As for damage out put from DD, I don't see why you think he's that weak. I mean, he has taken down Kingpin with his bare hands (no billy clubs sometimes) on many occasion. This is a guy who has enough muscle padding to take bullets and swords. DD even threw his billy club hard enough to shatter concrete.
Not saying he's stronger than Chris, but he can definitely deal some damage. And his pressure point tactics are incredible. He can even use his sonar hearing to detect weaknesses in the human body.
Just a very brief taste of what DD can do with nerve strikes. This is a poor example really, but the idea that DD can blind Chris if he gets in the right position might make you think twice about DD's damage output.
You said that super soldier level is too much for DD. Please read the above opponents which DD has faced and beaten.
That jet feat was also sketchy (I'm seeing a trend). It really didn't look like it was going that fast. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't slow, but it certainly wouldn't take a super soldier to make that run. It even speeds up exponentially after they get on. I mean if you really want, i'll figure out a way to calculate the speed it was moving, so we can put this to rest before it really starts. As for your comment on Daredevil not fighting as big threats as Chris who fights armies, here's a quick fodder fight that might make you change your mind
I have the full fight if you'd like to see it, but the main point is that he took on 107 armed men, half of which where on MGH (a drug that gives you low level superpowers) in one single fight.
Ok so now I have to talk about the Wesker feats. These are very strange. I mean, how can this guy dodge bullets one second, and then get easily punched in the face the next? A bullet timer who easily gets tagged by some guy. I don't know what to say to that gif, other than that being the biggest character inconsistency ever. The second video is obviously Wesker tanking Chris's useless attack because there was no point in dodging it. I mean, he just stands there, takes the tackle with out a scratch, and I assume then pummels Chris. Do you have the full video so a real conclusion can be drawn? Also, are you trying to say Wesker is faster than a bullet? Do you have actual proof of this, or just comparing that video to a bullet? Because while he is very fast, he is not moving at over 1,500m/s (speed of bullet, btw). I mean, he was never invisible, only see through. DD has reacted to bullets, which would also be see through. If you have real proof that Wesker is as fast or faster than a bullet, please show me. Anyway, even if Wesker is as fast as a bullet, DD has dodged bullets many times before, and even had enough precision to bounce them off his billy clubs. While this does show Chris has exceptional reaction speed, it doesn't compare to DD who can use his senses to dodge automatic and shotgun fire (this relates to the whole Wesker moving wile running thing. The spread of the shotgun blast and machinegun fire compensate for that).
Where did you get this info on Chris's martial arts? Is there an ingame description of this somewhere?
The fight with Alexia is interesting. I'd say the most powerful character DD has defeated (that I know of) is Absorbing Man, but I don't know how he compares to her. Other than throwing what look like fireballs, what other abilities/powers does she have?
Counter Points
When you refer to not being able to use pressure points on peak humans, are you referring to the Kingpin? Because his muscle padding actually makes it impossible to use pressure points on him (and matt still beats him). While Chris is fast, his dodging capability doesn't hold up to the many times DD has dodged melee and ranged attacks, everything from sai to bullets. DD can easily dodge Chris until he gets a good pressure point attack in, or just go for it and lay down pressure point attacks when he has the opportunity. I'd also like to mention that DD once used his billy club to hit a pressure point on punisher from afar.
What acrobatics? You showed me agility, not acrobatics. And DD is easily still the superior in terms of agility. I have many scans if you'd like.
Again, Daredevil can definitely damage Chris. He can break concrete with the throw of a billy club and clobber kingpin with his bare hands, a character who is easily more durable than Chris, and probably stronger.
The Fight
DD will know where chris is at all times via his radar sense and sonic hearing. Chris won't be sniping or catching DD off guard. In fact, DD has a better chance of sneaking up on Chris. Once they are in melee fight, chris will realize that DD is far stronger than he would have thought, and extremely agile. Maybe Chris punches DD once, but it doesn't stop the attack. While it's mainly his skill, agility and reflexes that give him the win, DD also uses his strength and equal to superior durability. Chris may be somewhat faster (although that is still massively up for debate) but DD wins in pretty much every other department (Chris may have a marginal advantage in strength, but that is yet to be seen).
Sorry this was soooo late. Had tons of work to do. Should be more free from now on though. Hope to see your reply soon :)
@sionistheboss: Alright, just remember you asked for it ;D
First and foremost, I think you're trying to undermine just how inhuman the feat of surviving a bite from 40-foot long, 13-ton monster anaconda is. An anaconda's jaw is exponentially stronger than its own weight, to say that a normal human's ribcage would have been turned to powder instantaneously under that type of pressure, would be an understatement, yet Chris received no such injuries at all. His biggest problem was the actual foot-long fangs ripping his flesh apart, and injecting his body with crippling venom. Yet Chris is such a soldier that he ignored these lethal injuries and finished his mission. So that's superhuman durability coupled with Daredevil-level determination.
You're trying to use the fact that Richard also survived as a way of downplaying Yawn (the anaconda), but there're several reasons that doesn't work. First of all, Richard isn't some canon fodder average person. He was also a S.T.A.R.S. member, and he survived the Mansion Incident longer than anybody else, besides the five who actually managed to escape (two of those five only escaped thanks to Chris). The fact that he was actually fast enough to outrace Yawn and later Neptune, as well as outreact Rebecca Chambers, indicates that he was something of a peak human himself, even though he doesn't have hundreds of feats. Secondly, Richard didn't completely tank it like Chris did. He was effectively crippled with half of his chest ripped off.
In the original game, it's actually impossible to save him. However, in REmake, if the player is able to get Richard the serum for the venom within a few minutes, he will live (and die later).
This proves that the venom alone kills its victim in mere minutes, while the snake bite itself had Richard crippled on the floor, unable to move. But Chris was able to not only stay on his feet, he actually traveled all the way across the mansion himself, on foot, defending himself against superhuman monsters all the while, and got HIMSELF the serum. He didn't need anybody to do it for him.
Resident Evil 6 featured a throwback to Yawn with the enemy Illuzija. Illuzija was MUCH larger than Yawn, however, at this point in the story, Chris was at his physical prime. Like I mentioned before, during the Mansion Incident, he was comparatively a rookie. Resident Evil 6 takes place over 10 years later, and Chris has spent that entire time doing intensive muscle training and fighting wars. Now he's powerful enough to somehow tank the snakebite outright, which sent him rolling across the room hard enough to smash a wooden table just as a side effect, which no Marvel character short of Luke Cage would even be remotely capable of without even drawing a drop of blood, and then he physically overpowered the anaconda while it tried to constrict him before lifting it over his head and escaping.
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Screenshots to prove that it really did bite him
Like their jaw strength, snake's constriction is exponentially stronger than its own weight. If Yawn weighed 13 tons, we're looking at a minimum 13-ton feat for Chris here. But Illuzija is bigger than Yawn, and not only that, but Illuzija in its own right is strong enough to smash up concrete and tunnel straight through solid Earth like nothing.
Basically, a real-life seven foot long boa constrictor can coil with a force of over 1 ton. People who get caught by snakes are supposed to grab it by the tail end and gradually unwrap it, just trying to pry it open is a sure way to get yourself killed.
Illuzija was over 40 feet long and too big to be unwrapped. So Chris was forced to just manually pry it open with sheer arm strength. Notice how the QTE ends after Chris pries it open; Chris goes on to lift the snake's midsection over his head and escape, but that isn't even part of the QTE. That's at least five tons deadlifted over his head, and he did it so effortlessly that it wasn't even part of the QTE, prying Illuzija open was the only hard part. And if I went ahead and did the calculations to find out Illuzija's exact coil strength, we'd be looking at Chris as far stronger than even Spider-Man, let alone Daredevil being a match.
Is this all really, really stupid? Yes it is. Is Chris stupidly, unappealingly overpowered? Yup. But that's my whole point. Daredevil is a relatively grounded, street level vigilante. Chris is an F'ing anime character super soldier who saves the world in one of the most unintentionally-silly franchises I have ever experienced. That is what you and everyone else has to understand. It all comes down to tone. Chris has no hint of realism by this point. Resident Evil started out trying to be gritty, but with RE6, Capcom literally said "screw it, just make the game cool." That's why we got absurd scenes like this.
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Chris, is simply on a higher level of capability than a street level Marvel peak human. At least Daredevil follows logic. By RE6, Chris has no care for such things. No wonder his rival in Marvel vs Capcom was THE HULK.
Okay now time for rebuttals.
I'd also like to know where you got the snakes stats.
Inside of BIO-HAZARD, p.46.Yawn's bio page.
You said that it was squeezing chris, which is what really shows that Chris can take damage. However, no where I've looked has it said that the plant uses it's tentacles to crush its victims. They are purely for blood sucking.
You are completely right. An error of wording on my part. Here is the file excerpt for you.
What I was actually trying to get at, was Chris's superhuman strength and stamina. Plant 42 was trying to drain his blood with its suckers, so Chris was wrestling against the vine for the entire time, pushing it away from himself and holding it continuously for the entire time Rebecca was gone. You can see his hands moving and wrestling against the vine.
So it wasn't a durability feat, it was a strength feat. Chris was keeping the plant from draining him. Obviously, even though he's super durable, his body only holds a certain amount of blood in it. Plant 42 successfully killed everybody else it encountered by draining them dry, but Chris was able to hold it back for a very long time, which again, is fairly ridiculous. To put it into relatable terms, imagine arm wrestle somebody exactly as strong as you are, so you're both stuck in the middle pushing against each other. I can only strain like that for like, 30 seconds before I crumble. Yet Chris was wrestling with a gigantic, King Kong-sized monster plant whose tentacle was the size of a car, and held it at bay for at least 15 entire minutes. Blatantly inhuman.
Chris also didn't have a physical confrontation afterwards, but used a gun to kill it. Not so impressive.
How is that not a physical confrontation? He was on his feet, running and dodging and getting whacked with tentacles and acid while he repeatedly shot the plant with a shotgun until it died. Then he immediately continued on with the rest of the game. You know Chris will use a gun against Daredevil too.
Here are two scans that show DD tanking far superior blows.
He takes a point blank explosion from Nitro, and then hunts him down and beats him up. He caught up to him and defeated him with broken ribs and a SEVERE concussion.
There are many factors in this scene which make it less impressive than you're making it out to be.
The vagueness of how Nitro's powers are portrayed in that comic, it really looks more like he's just pushing people with enough force that they get lifted and go flying, and it's the actual fall that injures them instead. Earlier in the comic he went off at a court filled with people MUCH larger than he did against Matt in those scans, and nobody died. Several people like Foggy weren't even seriously hurt. When you read the comic, it really looks more like people are just getting lifted and thrown and falling, instead of getting exploded with so much force that cars were overturned. But maybe that's just nitpicking the art. More importantly...
If my above theory isn't true, then this is just a massive outlier of Daredevil's capabilities. He isn't usually portrayed as that strong. I read my fair share of Daredevil, and I can say with certainty that not only is the Nitro explosion, which sent him flying 30 feet and through a window, the greatest feat of durability that Matt Murdock has ever displayed... but it's by FAR the greatest feat of durability he's ever displayed. He's never, or at least very rarely, done anything which is even comparable. Which means it isn't really part of the character's capabilities. It is not consistent with what he can do. Daredevil trades blows with peak humans like Bullseye. He can get his leg broken by Elektra crumbling a brick wall on top of him. He gets his world rocked when trading blows with slight-superhumans like Gladiator and Kingpin. A point-blank explosion which sent him flying 30 feet just as a side-effect, would mean he can easily tank all of their blows.
Even if Daredevil WAS genuinely durable enough to survive that, the fact remains that he was hardly in fighting condition. He had two broken ribs and a concussion, he was able to willpower his way back up to his feet so that he could beat up one old man who isn't even fodder-level without his powers. Chris on the other hand is a character who genuinely CAN tank such explosions and literally be unphased, and also do it consistently.
He tanked TWO RPGs at TWO separate points in RE6. That tells us it wasn't just an accident, Capcom made it consistent, Capcom literally said "Chris is sturdy enough to be hit with an RPG and continue fighting." Just imagine how out of his weight class Matt is against this guy. It's not even close.
More importantly, Chris can not only tank such things, but he's also capable of replicating such damage output with his bare hands.
Look at this. That's a giant 25 ton boulder inside of a volcano. Chris doesn't just lift it. He doesn't just move it a few feet. He straight up launches it 10 meters away with his bare hands.
This is a turning point in the discussion. Everyone pay attention now. I think I literally just proved that Chris would beat Daredevil in a fight.
Again, let's look back at that scan of Nitro and compare it to this boulder. At worst, that feat is an outlier. Daredevil isn't actually capable of sustaining that type of blow. Considering Chris punched a 25 ton boulder ten meters away, he has similar or greater damage output, and can kill Daredevil in one blow since Daredevil isn't really durable enough to survive that kind of hit.
At best, that is Daredevil's greatest durability feat, and we can take it seriously, but it proves that Matt's body sustains serious damage after such a blow. Since Chris can replicate that damage output with his strikes, he would first, similarly cripple Matt with one blow, then fully defeat him with the second blow.
In the best case scenario, giving Daredevil ALL the benefit of the doubt and amping him up to his greatest feat with no care for consistency, he STILL can't fight Chris on even ground because even his greatest feat portrays him as unable to tank the type of damage output which Chris dishes out.
As for Chris's strength, you never actually posted any strength feats. You said that Chris could easily take down DD in a few hits, but had no evidence backing this.
Shatters a bulletproof windshield in two punches:
Can knock down a steel door and even a thick stone column with one kick:
Regularly sends his enemies flying with his blows:
Capable of knocking out Albert Wesker with a single combo:
Rips bulletproof super soldiers in half with his bare hands.
Catches a descending bulkhead and holds it open with his bare hands long enough for Piers to climb back up.
Rips out and deadlifts thousands of pounds worth of muscle and metal from the Ogroman's back while shredding apart its bulletproof skin as a side effect.
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Matt Murdock isn't as durable as bulletproof glass, stone, or metal, which Chris shatters in only one or two blows.
Matt Murdock isn't as durable as Albert Wesker, who requires multiple RPGs or having 10 tons worth of steel beams falling onto his head from several stories up just in order to stun, who Chris can knock out in a single combo.
Matt Murdock isn't as durable as mutated J'avo, who are nearly bulletproof in their unmutated forms and can regenerate an entire skull and brain in seconds flat, who Chris can literally rip their bodies in half in seconds.
Now I couldn't find the scan of him after, but he is seen running (key word, running) through the sewer. Not only did he survive a building falling on him, but he had enough energy to run away.
What? Daredevil survived BY escaping into the sewer. The building didn't fall on him. Or are you proposing that after digging his way out of the rubble, Matt walked across the street and just entered the sewer for fun, only to leave as soon as he found another manhole?
DD has also taken down far more durable villains, like the Kingpin (who was shot seven times, fell off a bridge and not only survived but stood up calmly with no sign of pain),
You're exaggerating with Kingpin. He was shot and fell off the bridge, then washed up in the sewers where he nearly died. He was presumed dead for three days as he slowly walked through the sewers, sheer will power keeping him going, until eventually he found his way out. He was hardly in fighting condition after sustaining that damage.
Regardless, Daredevil has only ever beaten jobber-Pin. The classic Kingpin who actually has the good feats, used to curbstomp Daredevil without even needing to see him. He would tank all his best blows and then oneshot him. Actually, this is a good representation of how Daredevil vs Chris would go, if it took place in total darkness.
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Chris has the advantages in strength, artillery, stamina and durability. Matt will get tired hitting him and eventually slow down enough for Chris to crush.
And this is how a fight would go down in decent lightning where Chris can actually see.
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The modern Kingpin is a shell of his former self, he's one of my favorite villains, but gone is the superhuman strength and cunning, manipulative mind. Now he's more like a regular peak human and can barely handle control of his own organization. Daredevil beating the modern Kingpin isn't impressive, it certainly doesn't prove he can keep up with Chris. Most of your examples of Daredevil beating superhumanly durable foes has too much context to be translated against Chris.
Tombstone (no explanation needed)
Daredevil got curbed by Tombstone in hand-to-hand and needed to attack him with a sledgehammer in order to win, which was still PIS because Tombstone should normally be capable of tanking blows from Spider-Man.
Unless Daredevil finds a sledgehammer, he has no hope of injuring Chris, and if he DOES find a sledgehammer, Chris will just disarm him because Chris is still a veteran special forces soldier and not a dumb slow goon like Tombstone.
and Absorbing Man (he defeated him while he was made of diamond).
Unfortunately, I am unfamiliar with this instance. But something tells me Daredevil didn't just punch him out.
As for the arsenal argument, I'd first like to ask for a full list of weapons Chris will be using. Trying to guess his armament makes it hard to argue against the character.
Well Chris is proficient with pretty much every weapon in existence, and he can also master the use of unique or advanced tech weapons like the Linear Launcher and Satellite Laser almost immediately. I suppose, his most efficient and simple loadout would be:
Assault Rifle
RPG
Sidearm
Combat Knife
Grenades
F-Aid Spray
Tactical Vest
If that's okay with you. I suppose we should have discussed this beforehand, sorry.
Grenades have 57g of tnt in them (the powerful ones at least) and Nitro gives a minimum blast equivalent to 4.5kg of tnt. Get my point?
One kilogram is equal to 1,000 grams. So you're saying that Daredevil can tank approximately 78 grenades going off in his face at point blank range? Whoa. That's pretty impressive... but I think it's much more logical to just assume Nitro has more control over his blasts than that. The blast only knocked Daredevil across the street and had no effect on the surrounding area, pretty sure 78 simultaneous grenades would be a bigger deal. Really even just one grenade would have caused more damage, grenades are powerful. Not to mention Nitro had gone off at a courthouse moments earlier, and used most of his power there. His blast against Daredevil was just the gas he had left. He even says in your scans that he has zero power left and needs to recharge.
So I really don't see any proof that Matt could survive a grenade. I mean in "The Man Without Fear" he very clearly had to escape the grenade blast towards the end of the book if he wanted to survive, so Frank Miller definitely doesn't think he is in any way superhuman.
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The Crimson Head thing doesn't truly apply here. the thing wasn't even looking at him and appears to have very little reflex speed. DD would be using his radar sense and sonar hearing to know exactly where Chris is and easily dodge that.
I agree, that was not a skill feat. I am showing Chris's damage output in comparison to Daredevil's. Matt is the better fighter, I know that, but having such higher damage output really evens the playing field. That means whatever hits Chris does land will be more serious.
I will also agree that Chris out guns DD, but only because he needs all those weapons.
Well let's be clear, he needs a lot of weapons because he's out saving the world and fighting armies and giant monsters, some ranging from King Kong to nearly Godzilla-sized. Matt merely patrols Hell's Kitchen and protects people from crooks and rapists, he only has a handful of superhumans in his rogues gallery, and none of them are as powerful as even a single Tyrant.
The J'avo feat is impressive... for the J'avo. Yes the gun gets shot before the J'avo dodges, but that doesn't mean the shooter didn't missed the first shot, allowing it to duck before the next shots.
But that was Chris himself shooting. Chris would not miss a stationary target from 20 feet away. We actually see all of the bullets impacting the screen, but the first one doesn't hit until after the J'avo has dodged. It's pretty clear cut to me, that was a bullet timing feat, Chris fights superhumans as regular canon fodder, that's saying a lot. Daredevil couldn't replicate that because he isn't a real bullet timer, he's a peak human and an excellent aim dodger. His radar sense might make him the bane to all marksman across the comic book world, but the fact remains that Chris fights people with more actual speed than Daredevil on a daily basis.
This is something DD can easily replicate. Here DD dodges bullets from a surprise attack by Winter Soldier, in mid air.
Excellent feat, but let's be clear, it isn't bullet timing. Wolverine, who is narrating, even states specifically that "No one sneaks up on Daredevil." He's got that radar sense, so he's just really good at telegraphing the shooter's aim. While on this topic, I should say, many people seem to think that Daredevil is a bullet timer, but he actually isn't. None of his feats are clear-cut bullet timing, he doesn't have a single feat throughout his entire publication of the writer actually, specifically, portraying him as moving after a bullet is fired. In fact, there are actually many examples of Matt being shot by a properly aimed bullet.
Many people also think that you need to be a bullet timer just to qualify as a basic peak human, but that's not true either. Bullet timing is a big freakin deal, it's usually reserved for superhumans with a specific enhancement of some kind.
Daredevil isn't a bullet timer.
Batman isn't a bullet timer.
Deathstroke isn't a bullet timer.
Captain America has one bullet timing feat but it's never been replicated so I'm not sure if any writer besides Brubaker actually thinks he's a bullet timer.
Cassandra Cain might be a bullet timer.
Chris Redfield isn't a bullet timer.
Not to downplay Daredevil, I'm fully aware that his radar sense makes him harder to shoot than even an actual bullet timer, so he really doesn't need superhuman reflexes in order to dodge Chris. I think his dodging of characters like Winter Soldier, Punisher, and Bullseye prove that he can dodge Chris Redfield. But the question is, for how long? The fight will undoubtedly open up with Chris unloading and Matt dodging, and I fully admit that Matt will be able to close the distance and engage in CQC, just like how he does against everybody else.
But the problem is, Matt has never fought a marksman who also happens to be a human tank before. So it won't be as simple as fighting Punisher or Bullseye, where all Matt has to do is close the distance and then he's basically won. When Matt goes to strike Chris, Chris might be phased, but he will more or less tank it and continue battling. Against a physical monster like Chris Redfield, Daredevil might find himself struggling to keep up, and I doubt he can disarm Chris given the soldier's training and sheer strength. So there's nothing stopping Chris, from just shooting again. And again. And throughout the entire battle, Chris can constantly break off and go into gunfire, basically whenever he wants. Can Daredevil really keep up the dodging, like, forever? Or will fatigue get to him? Believe it or not, Chris HAS already proven that he can tag characters, even faster than Matt Murdock.
Albert Wesker moves so fast that the human brain is literally unable to perceive him. This isn't like Batman or Black Panther pulling a disappearing act, where they merely escape their target's field of vision. Wesker is actually turning invisible from sheer speed, staying within the scope of his opponent's vision but seemingly teleporting to a new position. In Marvel terms, he's even faster than Spider-Man, since Peter is mostly restricted to the blurring speed tier and only has a handful of outright invisible feats scattered throughout the decades. And Spider-Man has proven that he can basically speedblitz Daredevil.
Wesker is faster than Chris too, but due to Chris's greater skill and training in gun handling, he was actually able to beat Wesker on the quickdraw, and in the heat of the moment, he thought quick enough to aim for Wesker's fingers. Chris knew that a headshot would do minimal damage to Wesker, and he was in immediate danger with Wesker about to shoot him back, so, with no real time to think, Chris very tactically aimed for Wesker's fingertips in order to make him lose his grip on his weapon instead. Merely tagging a speedster like Wesker would be impressive enough, but Chris combined it with quick thinking and high precision.
So that's Chris proving he is fast enough to tag a character greater or on par with somebody who blitzed Daredevil from 10 feet away.
Jill Valentine is likely slightly superior to Daredevil's speed and agility, based on her ability to do this.
So obviously she is fully capable of dodging bullets, like with Daredevil. However, even though she clearly possesses a degree of superspeed, it just isn't possible to keep it that up forever. In a prolonged fight, one single mistake or misstep will result in you getting shot, no matter how agile youare. Chris proved this, as he was fast enough to immediately spot Jill's opening as soon as it appeared during the middle of the fight, and before she could react, he quickly raised his gun and successfully shot her mask straight off her face without even injuring her, doubling as a precision feat which just goes to show how skilled Chris really is.
Another actual, legitimate bullet timer in Resident Evil is Carla Radomes. She doesn't have a radar sense like Daredevil, so when she was blindsided by assault rifle fire while in the middle of just having a conversation, and successfully turned her head and ducked out of the way in time, it was legitimately moving after the bullets were fired. Carla is a genetically modified clone, so it isn't out of the question for her to be a bullet timer.
Once again, Chris was fast enough to tag her, taking her off guard by initially aiming at her head, but then suddenly changing trajectory to knock away her grapple gun before she could react.
If things get tricky, such a tactic might prove useful in removing Daredevil's billy club as well. It's not like Chris lacks the precision, since he hit the butt of Carla's gun squarely in the center while she was shaking it around.
Basically I think that Chris is the fastest marksman that Daredevil has ever faced, and possesses tactical skills on par with the Punisher. Keep in mind, as OP as Bullseye's ability to use anything as a weapon might seem, in reality the fastest characters who he has ever tagged include Black Widow, and half-crippled Spider-Man. I don't think Winter Soldier has ever really tagged anybody of note without ambushing them, and Punisher himself, frankly, is inconsistent. He was crazy good back in the classic days, but in the classic days he also curbstomped Daredevil when they fought. Modern Punisher is extremely weak, and nowadays, Daredevil can stomp him. It's actually the same case as with the Kingpin. So really, even though Daredevil has faced some great marksman, the most dangerous one he'd ever face would actually be Chris himself.
As the final note on Chris Redfield's impeccable speed and natural senses, as well as an example of him flawlessly integrating gunfire into CQC which would pose a serious threat to Daredevil, in the manga Marhawa Desire (which is a prequel to RE6), there is a scene where Chris and Piers are battling a horde of BOWs when Chris runs out of ammunition, just as a Cerberus dog (which is just as fast as Daredevil) pounces at him. Chris instantly spins around and manages to smash the Cerberus in the face with his fist, killing it instantly, when meanwhile a Licker simultaneously approaches from his blindside and also pounces. Piers yells "CAPTAIN!" and throws Chris a spare clip. Chris catches the clip behind his back without looking, reloads, and spins around all fast enough to blow the Licker's brains out at point blank range.
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This is extremely impressive, because just take a look at how other Resident Evil master marksman, Leon Scott Kennedy, fairs against a Licker when using an assault rifle.
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He can't even land a single bullet! This is despite the fact that Leon is the #2 protagonist of the whole Resident Evil franchise, second only to Chris himself.
Lickers are clearly superhumanly fast, so just imagine how fast and skilled Chris had to be in order to do what he did. I don't think any of the marksman that Daredevil has faced would be able to replicate that, they would probably get pounced on and then have to fight the Licker on the ground.
To put it simply, Chris has a great record of tagging enemies, already faster and more agile than Daredevil. Coupled with the fact that his physical blows also carry crippling-levels of power, I just don't see how Daredevil can keep up with this type of damage output. Daredevil has never fought a man like Chris before, he's outmatched, and out of his weight class.
DD even threw his billy club hard enough to shatter concrete.
Well that proves Matt's billy club could deal some damage but there's a big difference between striking with a weapon and striking with a fist. Matt very well may injure his hand if he punches Chris and catches a bone, or even tensed muscle. And Matt can hardly win the fight just by repeatedly throwing his billy club, I mean Chris regularly faced archers during RE5 and would often shoot down their arrows in midair. Certainly he can shoot the billy club.
And his pressure point tactics are incredible. He can even use his sonar hearing to detect weaknesses in the human body.
Daredevil's pressure points are overrated. They're hardly infallible, he's not constantly 100% dropping Thor villains with taps like some people like to think. He's failed to effect Nuke just because Nuke doesn't feel pain, for example. I'm pretty sure he failed to effect Tombstone, and just to drop Gladiator he needed to repeatedly smash him in pressure points on his neck with a wooden stick for like a whole page while Melvin was blinded. This is assuming Matt can even land a pressure point on Chris, because Chris is far faster and more skilled than any opponent Matt has ever used a pressure point on. It's just not a solid tactic, too many variables.
As for your comment on Daredevil not fighting as big threats as Chris who fights armies, here's a quick fodder fight that might make you change your mind
I have the full fight if you'd like to see it, but the main point is that he took on 107 armed men, half of which where on MGH (a drug that gives you low level superpowers) in one single fight.
Lie. All Matt did was manage to barely survive for three minutes until the FBI came and arrested all the Yakuza. Don't take scans completely out of context and pretend that they're something they aren't, that's bad debating. Chris on the other hand literally COULD kill all 100 Yakuza, since only half of them were superhuman and his body counts in RE5 and RE6 of exclusive superhumans easily ranks into the thousands.
Ok so now I have to talk about the Wesker feats. These are very strange. I mean, how can this guy dodge bullets one second, and then get easily punched in the face the next? A bullet timer who easily gets tagged by some guy.
It's because Chris is really fast.
The second video is obviously Wesker tanking Chris's useless attack because there was no point in dodging it. I mean, he just stands there, takes the tackle with out a scratch, and I assume then pummels Chris.
No Chris grabbed him fair and square, theories and headcanons aren't facts.
Also, are you trying to say Wesker is faster than a bullet?
Yeah.
Do you have actual proof of this, or just comparing that video to a bullet?
Yeah I posted proof in my previous post. Bullets are visible to the human eye and Wesker isn't.
I mean, he was never invisible, only see through.
What's the difference?
Anyway, even if Wesker is as fast as a bullet, DD has dodged bullets many times before, and even had enough precision to bounce them off his billy clubs.
There's a gigantic difference between a straight, linear projectile and a living breathing thinking human who is also a master of martial arts and can change his trajectory whenever he wants.
While this does show Chris has exceptional reaction speed, it doesn't compare to DD who can use his senses to dodge automatic and shotgun fire
Show me Daredevil bullet timing then.
I'm sorry to have to stop so suddenly. I know you were eager for my post ASAP and also I have to get going, but I'm sure there's plenty enough to chew on for now. I await your reply, try not to take 19 days like some other people do *whistle*
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