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#1 Edited by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

OP UPDATE:

(courtesy of your friendly neighborhood mod k4tz)

ROUND 1:

Standard gear. Opposite ends of a city block. Sun is setting. Unpopulated and the full environment is at their disposal. In character / standard elimination rules apply / random encounter.

ROUND 2:

Unarmed combat in a dojo. In character / random encounter / standard elimination rules apply.

ROUND 3:

Ladies and gentlemen, it's bloodlust time. Discuss how round 1 and 2 would play out if the characters were going for the kill.

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#2 Posted by Eternal Chaos (23183 posts) - - Show Bio

Well obviously with prep, Bats wins (what else is new) but in a one on one fight, I say the Cap.

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#3 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

caps bit batman for sure

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#4 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

Why would he bite him?

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#5 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

He bit him?

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#6 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

error on my computer "beat him"

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#7 Posted by Satyrquaze (4538 posts) - - Show Bio

Captain America has more experience and much more tactical training and hasn't suffered a dehibiltating spinal injury.

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#8 Posted by Jean_Luc_LeBeau (82986 posts) - - Show Bio

No but he did get um....dead.

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#9 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Captain America has more experience and much more tactical training and hasn't suffered a dehibiltating spinal injury."

I wouldn't say that a guy who goes around biting people has all that much experience and tactical training.

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#10 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Captain America has more experience and much more tactical training and hasn't suffered a dehibiltating spinal injury."
I wouldn't say that a guy who goes around biting people has all that much experience and tactical training. "

You're right. You'd think he could do something besides resorting to biting.

Though if he does get over that, I think he would win. Not that I think he has any more experience since Marvel uses a sliding time scale so at most 15 years have passed since America was freed from that block of ice. Batman has been training at least that long and supposedly he knows every imaginable martial art at the level of a master.

I pick Cap because he is a peak human across the board. That should prove the difference in a fight to the death without any prior knowledge of each other.

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#11 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Captain America has more experience and much more tactical training and hasn't suffered a dehibiltating spinal injury."
I wouldn't say that a guy who goes around biting people has all that much experience and tactical training. "

as i said there was an error on my computer

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#12 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Captain America has more experience and much more tactical training and hasn't suffered a dehibiltating spinal injury."
I wouldn't say that a guy who goes around biting people has all that much experience and tactical training. "

as i said there was an error on my computer

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#13 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"You're right. You'd think he could do something besides resorting to biting.Though if he does get over that, I think he would win. Not that I think he has any more experience since Marvel uses a sliding time scale so at most 15 years have passed since America was freed from that block of ice. Batman has been training at least that long and supposedly he knows every imaginable martial art at the level of a master.I pick Cap because he is a peak human across the board. That should prove the difference in a fight to the death without any prior knowledge of each other."

People forget the sliding timescale (something like: the F4 always happened 10 years ago) plus the fact that he spent much of his "career" in the ice not fighting, glad you brought it up. I still think he's skilled, but it's something to remember.

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"Buckshot says:
"Satyrquaze says:
"Captain America has more experience and much more tactical training and hasn't suffered a dehibiltating spinal injury."
I wouldn't say that a guy who goes around biting people has all that much experience and tactical training. "

as i said there was an error on my computer

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Bite me. :p
Post Edited:2007-06-28 21:31:39

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#14 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

haha funny

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#15 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

This would be a very difficult fight for Cap, even though I think he has the best chance of winning. Batman has a whole arsenal in his utility belt and a lot of those things can't be blocked by a shield. He could hit cap with gas pellets or use a sonic weapon. He could apply an adhesive to the shield and get Cap to miss him and get his shield stuck on a wall. It's hard to notice someone applying adhesive to your shield when youre ducking behind it. And it's not like he only has certain things in his belt, he's almost always got whatever he needs in there so Cap could be in serious trouble.

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#16 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

i think cap can beat iron man cause he is the strongest human

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#17 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"i think cap can beat iron man cause he is the strongest human"

god dammit i mean batman

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#18 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

You could have just gone back and edited it.

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#19 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

i know i did not feel like it

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#20 Posted by Satyrquaze (4538 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"No but he did get um....dead."

If Batman had been handcuffed by Gotham's finest and feeling like he should be thrown in prison like in that issue (Cap #25) he would have been taken out by one (if not all) of his numerous enemies too.

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#21 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

I think with no prep Cap cuts that A#$%. Stronger, Faster, Tougher and better hand to hand. With prep Batman could maybe possibly somehow maybe could maybe possibly.......beat....beat..... Captain America. man that was tough to say I hate to think Cap would lose to any normal level human.

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#22 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

First he bites him the he cuts his A#$%? (I'm assuming that's "ass") Cap is not someone I want to fight.

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#23 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

okay

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#24 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

He felt like Batman needed two slits in his ass. so he used his shield to create a second.

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#25 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

Sounds like Cap has some major issues.

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#26 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

hahahahahahahaha

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#27 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Sounds like Cap has some major issues."

major ass cutting issues ahahahahahaha.

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#28 Posted by Rotten gun (2577 posts) - - Show Bio

im going bats on this one, too many gadgets and better martial skill, it comes down to caps sheild and everything in bats cave.

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#29 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"im going bats on this one, too many gadgets and better martial skill, it comes down to caps sheild and everything in bats cave."

What makes you think Batman's a better fighter?

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#30 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

Better martial arts skill? I would say Cap is at LEAST as good.

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#31 Posted by Satyrquaze (4538 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"im going bats on this one, too many gadgets and better martial skill, it comes down to caps sheild and everything in bats cave."

What about everything in Avenger's Mansion or in the SHIELD helicarrier?

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#32 Posted by Rotten gun (2577 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Rotten gun says:
"im going bats on this one, too many gadgets and better martial skill, it comes down to caps sheild and everything in bats cave."
What about everything in Avenger's Mansion or in the SHIELD helicarrier?"

assuming cap was here now, he wouldn't be alowed into the sheild helicarrier. avengers mansion? where is that? do you mean stark tower? if you want to go that way bats gets all the technolgy form the watch tower etc

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#33 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

Rotten gun says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Rotten gun says:
"im going bats on this one, too many gadgets and better martial skill, it comes down to caps sheild and everything in bats cave."
What about everything in Avenger's Mansion or in the SHIELD helicarrier?"
assuming cap was here now, he wouldn't be alowed into the sheild helicarrier. avengers mansion? where is that? do you mean stark tower? if you want to go that way bats gets all the technolgy form the watch tower etc"

None of that should matter. It's not like either one of them needs to gear up to fight the other one.

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#34 Posted by Satyrquaze (4538 posts) - - Show Bio

No, I'm talking as if this fight took place at any time over much of their careers... if we go now... Cap's dead. It's a moot point.

If we go during No Man's Land: Bats is distracted, tired and has no access to the Bat Cave.

During the vast majority of his career Cap had access to SHIELD weaponry and the gadgets created by Dr. Pym and McCoy in the Mansion.

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#35 Posted by Forever (4313 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Ideally, the fight takes place when they were both at their peak. If we go that route, Cap wins."

I agree.

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#36 Posted by Satyrquaze (4538 posts) - - Show Bio

Ideally, the fight takes place when they were both at their peak. If we go that route, Cap wins.

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#37 Posted by Valkaad (2701 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Rotten gun says:
"Satyrquaze says:
"Rotten gun says:
"im going bats on this one, too many gadgets and better martial skill, it comes down to caps sheild and everything in bats cave."
What about everything in Avenger's Mansion or in the SHIELD helicarrier?"
assuming cap was here now, he wouldn't be alowed into the sheild helicarrier. avengers mansion? where is that? do you mean stark tower? if you want to go that way bats gets all the technolgy form the watch tower etc"
None of that should matter. It's not like either one of them needs to gear up to fight the other one."

Agreed. And IF we say that Batmans is as good a fighter as cap (which he is not) Captain America is still much stronger, much faster, much more durable, and has much greater endurance. take two guys with equal fighting skill and the one who is bigger stronger faster with better endurance wins everytime!

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#38 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

What makes Captain America so much more skilled than Batman?

EDIT: Everytime I type "than" it turns into "that".
Post Edited:2007-06-28 23:10:09

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#39 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

he is the strongest human

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#40 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"he is the strongest human"

I'm not talking about physical stats, I know Cap is superior, I'm talking about skills.

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#41 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

cap was trained alot of military people and face so many alot stronger then him

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#42 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"cap was trained alot of military people and face so many alot stronger then him"

Are you saying he's trained a lot of people or been trained by a lot of people? Either way, the same can be said for Batman. Batman also faces characters a lot stronger than him. What makes Cap the unquestionably superior martial artist?

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#43 Posted by Case Closed (185 posts) - - Show Bio

I hate this batman can prepare crap. Captain is not much of a complex opponent. He has a shield that won't be destroyed during battle and will punch batman's lights out. If they throw down no prep time I give it to the man with the shield.

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#44 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

"by" and he is a martial artist and very good at it
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#45 Posted by Buckshot (19358 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"he is a martial artist and very good at"

Yes, I agree, he is very good. I'm asking, what makes him so much better than Batman?

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#46 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

that i can't anwser cause i don't know

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#47 Posted by Rotten gun (2577 posts) - - Show Bio

bats is known for his martial arts prowess, i've never really heard the same of cap, and i think trhe general consensus is that bats is better, he is #1 in the comicvine stats as well as others, and he is the only one i have seen people vs bruce lee in threads, here and on myspace. also you must include batmans gadgets and batcave equipment as that is as much his superpower as supermans flight.

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#48 Posted by Phorqe (2148 posts) - - Show Bio

Cap all the way.

You don't think the icon of the greatest country in the world could bitch slap some panzy that runs around at night and throws his whirly-doos and twirly-gags at silly billies dressed up like a poor man's clown? Of course he would, Cap would hit him so hard he'd see stars...50 of them. Anyone who thinks pajama and cape man would win is a terrorist or a dummy that needs to be deported. Take a deep breath of that air you're breathing. Tastes like freedom, doesn't it? You can thank Captain America for that.

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#49 Posted by Rotten gun (2577 posts) - - Show Bio

Phorqe says:

"Cap all the way. You don't think the icon of the greatest country in the world could bitch slap some panzy that runs around at night and throws his whirly-doos and twirly-gags at silly billies dressed up like a poor man's clown? Of course he would, Cap would hit him so hard he'd see stars...50 of them. Anyone who thinks pajama and cape man would win is a terrorist or a dummy that needs to be deported. Take a deep breath of that air you're breathing. Tastes like freedom, doesn't it? You can thank Captain America for that. "

phorqe? patriot or weirdo? hmmmn? not sure

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#50 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7554 posts) - - Show Bio

haha