@Yankey_Doodle: A direct attack from Azula couldn't kill a little boy like aang. A direct hit didn't even K.O a skinny Zuko. A direct hit didn't even kill an old man Iroh. So why would a AOE attack hurt him? AOE are much weaker than the direct blast. Heres a scan of him inside a energy reactor. INSIDE. A. ENERGY. REACTOR. Azula feats are against kids who are not trained to kill. a little fire is not putting him down.
@pooty said:
@Yankey_Doodle: A direct attack from Azula couldn't kill a little boy like aang. A direct hit didn't even K.O a skinny Zuko. A direct hit didn't even kill an old man Iroh. So why would a AOE attack hurt him? AOE are much weaker than the direct blast. Heres a scan of him inside a energy reactor. INSIDE. A. ENERGY. REACTOR. Azula feats are against kids who are not trained to kill. a little fire is not putting him down.
Yes more Scans! Loving the Beast beatdown.
She is more gile. What feats does he have? Jumping 15 ft. in the air? Donig spaggatos automatically with incoming attacks? Doing parkours, acrobatics and jumping around dodging air swipes for fun without getting tired?
Saying she is more agile doesn't make her. Steve's gotten through rooms of turrets and soldiers firing everything from lasers and bullets. Even if they are automatic, they are still much faster projectiles than what Azula shoots. And he's dodged from more accurate people again Cyclops, Hawkeye, or Gambit whose cards left explosions. She may be a little more dramatic in her flips, but she isn't by any means outstatting him in that regard.
Zuko got close to her because she was fighting out of character starting to lose it on the Air Ship.
Aang never got close. First of all, he was the one that said "She's too fast, I can't beat her down".
Aang fought against close range on the drill in Ba Sing Se. Azula also went close against him and Zuko in their triple threat, so if anything, that goes against her since she has no problem fighting up close where she is fighting a better skilled and much stronger opponent. So it shows him getting close to her not being a problem as she can very well go to him.
Any scans on the otufit being resistant to explosive powers? Casue Azula's fire can also be explosive.
She can get to higher ground and attack from heigth advantage. i don't know how he can reach her then.
Can't see where the fight takes place in the OP and this makes things hard to judge what Azula can do.
Here is his fight with Gambit. His suit got charged and there was a massive explosion. People think it is mainly a durability feat for Cap, but personally I think it was part armor and part underestimation on Gambit's part.
And there is more with the scans above.
Saying she is more agile doesn't make her. Steve's gotten through rooms of turrets and soldiers firing everything from lasers and bullets. Even if they are automatic, they are still much faster projectiles than what Azula shoots. And he's dodged from more accurate people again Cyclops, Hawkeye, or Gambit whose cards left explosions. She may be a little more dramatic in her flips, but she isn't by any means outstatting him in that regard.
Bulllet timing isn't entirely agility wise feats. It's more reaction timing. Batman has those and he isn't as agile as Azula for example.
Azula won't be shooting projectiles. Her attacks are far bigger, and again, does he have an answer to her getting to higher ground using fire jets and attacking him from above. For all I know, he sn't reaching her up there.
Aang fought against close range on the drill in Ba Sing Se. Azula also went close against him and Zuko in their triple threat, so if anything, that goes against her since she has no problem fighting up close where she is fighting a better skilled and much stronger opponent. So it shows him getting close to her not being a problem as she can very well go to him.
Watch the fight again. They were never CQ on the drill:
What you remember is this:
Azula came close AFTER she KOed him.
Yeah, Zuko got close in the 3 way fight exactly because i was a 3 way fight. CAP can't do that in a 1v1.
Here is his fight with Gambit. His suit got charged and there was a massive explosion. People think it is mainly a durability feat for Cap, but personally I think it was part armor and part underestimation on Gambit's part.
And there is more with the scans above.
Impressive but I'm not sure if that explosion is at all as strong as things like this explosion:
And I'm not sure why it's pink. I know blue fire is hotter and more explosive though.
Believe me. I've studdied Azula's fighting style many times before. She is my favourite fictional character ever, and I nkow all her stats and powers. I'm pretty sure that she is not a more danerous fighter up close. She prefers mid-distance.
And I'm pretty sure that this durability feat is leagues above his own durability:
To being able to flip around multiple lasers or bullets and various projectiles is certainly a reflex and agility feat, which Cap has. And he isn't totally bullet timing since he sees faster than them. And even if he does just dodge, the shield is more than capable of doing the same by running through and jumping over blasts. He stood under a rocket ship taking off with his shield up and was fine. He tucked behind his shield when the Human Torch used his nova burst and was fine while the immediate area in front of him was scorched. Cap will be fine.
It is, but it's not better agility than Azula. It's better reflexes.
I am not arguing that Azula can hurt him head on with his shield. I know she can't.
That's agility:
And then she proceeded to stay close while Aang used his earth armor. He was using his hand to block CQC attacks from her.
He blocked her finishing move. She didn't get close to fight. She got close to FINISH the fight after she KOed him from range.
You missed an entire point about it. Azula CHOSE to go close range multiple times in that fight. She has no issues getting close. You can't deny that as being out of her character when she does so often.
No, she never chose to. The whole fight is with her in the middle fighting from range:
The only time Zuko got close was from behind while she had her back turned to Aang.
You can see that it's ou of character when in other fights back when she was sane she always wanted to fight from range:
VS Aang at the drill
VS Suki at the forest
VS Zuko and Aang at the chase
VS Katara at the catacombs
Gambit's powers are purple and pink, it has nothing to do with the heat. And good for you studying her, but that doesn't change what she does as a character vs what you are wanting her to. I have no problem saying mid range is her speciality since it is, but up close is nothing she isn't willing to do. Cap can close range, ricochet the shield off things and if she wants to fly, Cap's thrown his shield fast enough to break through armored cars, and threw it fast and accurate enough to catch up to a freshly launched missile and cut chains tying Falcon to it, and tagged Sunfire who is actually really nimble in flying. Cap has been hit by Spider-Man, bashed through boulders by Namor, jumped out of helicopters without parachutes and landed through cars just fine. Those are some higher end ones but Azula has been hurt by less, same with Cap. Her flight and range are a problem but Cap has a tool and a stat edge to make him through. I really have no issue with someone saying he loses, but he isn't getting stomped by Azula at all.
Yeah, well, the explosion still doesn't look as powerful as Azula's explosion here though.
I agree that she has no problem getting close, but she is not willing to do it IC. It's just that she doesn't have problem if she's forced to.
I think Azula isn't getting one shot by his shield. Second, he might as well miss. Her jet propulsion was pretty fast in Book 3 and her current version is a lot faster:
And she isn't lacking the reflexes either:
If she can estimate the exact timing a very long kantana sword's edge will reach her point blank and can jump and disarm it barehand CQ, I'm pretty sure that Avatar characters like her would be bullet timers if the verse had bullets.
The problem being that I still don't see him having a way tor each her if she manages to get on higher ground.
Finally, who says that she has no defece against his shield:
This shield deflects Sokka's bomerang out of the way. Her fire can be made as solid as she wants it to be.
Yeah, I'm convinced it's not a stomp but he isn't getting any majority as I see it.
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