In the Airport scene?
12 hours prep and basic knowledge from Tony Stark
This is Sam Raimi version Black Spidey
Can Black suit Spidey solo Team Cap?
Rhodes wasn't paying any attention to him, and he never tagged him again once he decided to engage Scott.
Rhodes was firing at him with his sonic cannon when he got tagged, I'm assuming you just forgot but this is completely wrong;
Besides, James doesn't have Peter's agility, reaction time or Pre-cog.
He doesn't have his agility but flight probably trumps that. Not sure about reaction times;
...because War-Machine is plenty fast.
What are you talking about? Just because they don't have much if any quantifiable speed feats doesn't automatically make them objectively slow. They're all obviously superhuman, and contending with Peter is proof enough of that.
They aren't slow because they don't have feats. "Most" of them aren't "particularly quick" because a lot of the time they fail to tag someone like Tobeyman, who while quick is nothing resembling a speedster, or even other faster versions of the character like Garfield's. He's strong, he's tough, but the Flash he ain't.
And again, you're forgetting the only one he ever fought with the Venom symbiote was Flint and he had the upperhand throughout the encounter.
This has no relevance to anything I mentioned, I outright said bar venom. Confused as to why you would even bring it up. "Ant-Man beat Yellow-Jacket in his movie!" has about as much relevance to our current discussion as yours does.
Based on absolutely nothing but your decision to ignore the fact that contending with a character requires one to have comparable speed, damning context withstanding.
Based on feats. Giant-Man can tag people like MCU Spidey and War-Machine, are you seriously going to give me shit because I said that means he's faster than Sandman?
Combatants that through their own speed, skill and agility have proven to be capable of landing hits on Peter.
Yes, because people like Sandman are the embodiment of speed, skill and agility. Giant-Man had the speed to tag War-Machine, we also know Scott Lang has proficient H2H skill from his training with Hope and fight with Falcon. Saying he doesn't have the feats for this is lowballing Scott.
Sure we do. In Scott's own words he can't hold it for very long, and we saw how long that was.
Scott got knocked onto his ass and pressed the button to transform back of his own volition, that isn't in line with his initial statement (I can't hold it for very long) which would suggest it's something Scott has no control over. You and I have no idea how very long is, and we never saw him time-out. It's not going to be a factor here when based on the showings he has already he'd tag Spidey within the time frame he's already stayed in that form.
Rhodes was firing at him with his sonic cannon when he got tagged, I'm assuming you just forgot but this is completely wrong
I did forget, actually. But even in that instance Rhodes flew right up to Scott in an attempt to amplify the effects of the sonic attack. When he was just flying around him trying to avoid his swipes, he had no trouble doing so.
He doesn't have his agility but flight probably trumps that.
Flight only grants him the ability to move in the air, agility is much more relevant in avoiding a significantly larger and slower opponent. That coupled with his web-slinging and precognition gives him an edge over Rhodes in this scenario. You wouldn't expect WM to do something like use falling debris as platforms.
...because War-Machine is plenty fast
Batting away an RPG is fine but it only couples as a reaction time feat and a showing of how fast he can move his arm. It's not the same as seeing the world around you nearly frozen in time due to your heightened senses.
Or performing the stunts of speed and agility Peter pulled when saving Gwen. These factors are more relevant to dodging a larger opponent and because of these factors Peter would have a much easier time than even Rhodes did.
"Most" of them aren't "particularly quick" because a lot of the time they fail to tag someone like Tobeyman, who while quick is nothing resembling a speedster, or even other faster versions of the character like Garfield's. He's strong, he's tough, but the Flash he ain't
So they're slow because they've failed to tag him but Peter isn't all that fast because he's been tagged by them? What kind of circular logic is this? Yes he's proved to be faster than most of them but being tagged isn't a bad showing for him and them failing to tag him at certain points doesn't make them slow. So what if he's not as fast as Garfield? Neither is Scott, so why is this relevant? Peter doesn't need to be the Flash to avoid Scott, his agility and speed feats are more than sufficient.
This has no relevance to anything I mentioned, I outright said bar venom. Confused as to why you would even bring it up. "Ant-Man beat Yellow-Jacket in his movie!" has about as much relevance to our current discussion as yours does.
Reread what I said in the context of what I wrote. The fights you've referenced to try and downplay Peter's effectiveness in speed have a version of him weaker than the one in the OP, all except for one fight against Flint that he dominated. Bringing them up as you insist on doing is pointless for your case.
Based on feats. Giant-Man can tag people like MCU Spidey and War-Machine, are you seriously going to give me shit because I said that means he's faster than Sandman?
Based on feats War Machine and MCU Peter can effectively avoid Scott if they focus on that. Peter was only tagged when he wasn't paying attention and Scott was wildly swinging as he went down..not sure why you're counting that. I'm giving you shit because you're using a double standard by referencing Peter's villains that have nothing to do with this matchup to downplay him. That's like citing Cap's fight with Batroc to assert that he has trouble with people much weaker than him and would lose to someone like Daredevil.
Yes, because people like Sandman are the embodiment of speed, skill and agility.
You gonna give me a reason why a man that has conscious control over the millions of grains of sand in his body can't have superhuman speed or just make sarcastic remarks? Flint did actually do more than tag Peter..even in his giant form he eventually managed to catch Harry on his glider in a similar vein as to how Scott tagged WM and would have tagged him more than once if it weren't for Peter's assistance.
Giant-Man had the speed to tag War-Machine, we also know Scott Lang has proficient H2H skill from his training with Hope and fight with Falcon. Saying he doesn't have the feats for this is lowballing Scott.
His h2h skill has no bearing on how fast he moves, his speed was sufficient to sock WM once he got up close to fire a continuous beam but was insufficient to tag him after he focused solely on avoiding him. Not sure what avoiding and dismantling Sam's suit as the size of ant has to do with Scott's performance as a giant, but it's not worth mentioning. I'm not lowballing Scott, he's actually that slow relative to Peter.
Scott got knocked onto his ass and pressed the button to transform back of his own volition, that isn't in line with his initial statement (I can't hold it for very long) which would suggest it's something Scott has no control over
Why would he do that if he didn't have to? "I can't hold it for very long" simply suggests that he can't sustain himself in that form for one reason or another. He has control over his ability to alter his size, not the effects the process has on his body. More than likely the pressure of expanding his mass to that level would have some permanent damage to his body if he continued to stay in that state.
You and I have no idea how very long is, and we never saw him time-out
Yes, we do. Scott's tech doesn't have a time-out function, everything he does is up to him. He changed back because he knew he couldn't sustain that form for any longer, which would be a reasonable conclusion from the tests we know he did of it.
It's not going to be a factor here when based on the showings he has already he'd tag Spidey within the time frame he's already stayed in that form.
Based on showings he's not tagging Peter unless the latter allows it. Also by showings he's not oneshotting Peter in the event he does manage to land a hit, not when the latter has brushed off being hit by a speeding train and pounded on by Sandman the size of a large building certainly larger than Scott.
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