BVS Doomsday vs. Movie Sebastian Shaw

VS.

• Battle in Gotham City
• Both in character
• Fight to the death
• No prep for Shaw but basic awareness

BVS is a garbage movie so Sebastian Shaw wins

This is a really good battle because the more DD attacks Shaw the stronger Shaw will become and the more Shaw(after he's becoming stronger) attacks DD then DD will just heal and evolve. I'm kinda 50/50 right know I'll wait till someone who is more knowledgeable comes along.

@psychopinata: so that's how things work around here just because a movie was garbage(in your words) the characters deserve to get downplayed??? well then I really don't belong here

Biemp

Spoilers:

WW said DD also absorbs energy in movie. So yeah, I will give DD the win.

Stalemate

Shaw.

DD looks like a PENIS HEAD that shoots lasers.

Idk man. Neither can really hurt the other. They both absorbed Nukes. If DD can ragdoll Shaw, then I guess we wins. But Idk for sure.

@allstarsuperman: couldn't he just rip his limbs off or throw him into space or simply cover his mouth and choke him out until he dies?

That all seems beyond Doomsday's intelligence, from what I've heard.

@heatforce: Any of those things are physical attacks, physical attacks that Shaw could just absorb. I think.

Heat vision might be the game changer.

Stalemate. Shaw keeps absorbing and DD keeps adapting.

BVS is a garbage movie so Sebastian Shaw wins

so you have no credibility? if you can't debate in an unbiased way, then leave

Shaw stomps.

His powers make him a bad matchup for basically any brick and he never showed any limits.

Well iirc he did die from a bullet to the head. I don't remember the situation though.

@heatforce: Xavier had him frozen so I don't think he could use his powers.

I know this is movie versions but in the comics, does Sebastian Shaw have an upper limit to how much energy he can absorb? Like, if Silver Surfer overloads him does he explode? Or can he tank an infinite amount?

Shaw or stalemate

Just went to the wiki. So it was a coin that magneto used to kill him. Apparently he did slow it enough to negate any kinetic energy but used enough force to penetrate his skull. It also states that he is resistant to physical force I assume that implies heat vision, being a laser, would get around that. Also, doomsday's would eventually adapt to Shaws abilities, perhaps utilizing different methods to kill him like drowning him or something.

That's a debating fallacy. Doomsday never showed limitations either, but at least he has feats like tanking a nuclear missile. Shaw has nothing suggesting he can resist being torn apart from a being who rivals Superman and Wonder Woman in strength.

NEVER trust a wiki. Shaw was killed by Xavier literally turning off his powers while Magneto sent a coin through his head. The whole slow thing was simply for Magneto's satisfaction. And he isn't just resistant to physical force, he has absorbed explosions and even a nuclear reactor with no problems.

Now, I have not seen BVS yet, did this Doomsday show the ability to adapt or is that just going off the comics version?

This is a stalemate Shaw keeps absorbing DD'S attacks and becomes stronger and DD keeps healing from Shaw's attack and becomes stronger.IF DD was smarter then it would've been a stomp

My argument is shaw does have a few weakness like I'm sure he's allergic to being thrown into outer space.

Doomsday was staggered by punches from the trinity and even lost a limb.

Shaw absorbed everything thrown at him, up to an including energy for a nuclear bomb, without significant effort.

He had less then no difficulty overpowering Magneto and his metal manipulation, who's TK strength feats are leagues beyond anyone in BvS.

Suggesting he can't absorb strikes or blasts from Doomsday is wrong, as he's already done much better. Suggesting he can't handle his physicality is also wrong for exactly the same reason. Shaw is not someone to be overcome with brute strength.

Shaws power is to absorb Kinetic Energy. Any movement you make produces kinetic energy. Without that kinetic energy you can't make the movement. Any hit you hit someone with, any grab, any throw, any time you touch them period, produces kinetic energy. Someone trying to grab and throw him would only power him up even more.

1. Shaw died from a coin if you really want to start lowballing. Nobody knows what Wonder Woman's sword was made of, it could easily be her atomic level blade as seen in the comics. It did after all cut the limb off someone who shrugged off a nuke.
2. Shaw never absorbed a nuclear bomb.
3. No one in Batman v Superman has telekinesis feats, so that's a moot point.
4. But a coin through his head explains a lot...

1. Shaw died because Xavier turned his powers off. That's it, that is the entire reason Shaw died.

2. He didn't say he absorbed a nuclear bomb, he said he absorbed the energy for one, technically a little different, he absorbed a nuclear reactor and was going to release it like a nuclear bomb.

3. Haven't seen it yet, but probably true.

4. Again, powers not on.

1. He was frozen, his powers were very clearly inactive, that's not low-balling that's just stupid.
2. I said he was absorbing the energy for a nuclear bomb.
3. The point is Magneto has much more lifting strength behind his TK, which Shaw easily overpowered (he literally walked through his defenses). The inferior strength and striking of BvS characters is nothing to him.
4. See 1.

Just watched shaws death on youtube. Nowhere does it say Charles turned his powers off, only that he stopped his movement. He obviously has powers if he was able to struggle so much against xavier. Has xavier ever been shown to take away a mutants powers before? Magneto did it so slowly to and I think for two reasons:

1. He didn't apply enough force to add enough kinetic entry to make a difference, shaws movements were controlled.

2. To enjoy seeing shaw experience a slow death, which is kinda gangster.

Well not really. If it wasn't enough kinetic energy, it wouldn't Makena difference e.g. if a 5 year old girl punched shaw, he wouldn't have the ability to level a city or tank something that could lvl a city from just that. Likewise, I would like some proof shaws powers were turned off. Seems like we are all speculating.

You aren't getting it. Every single movement produces kinetic energy, which he absorbs. If his powers were not turned off, then every bit of energy Magneto put into moving the coin would have been absorbed by Shaw and the coin would have never moved an inch no matter how little or how much energy he used.

@buildhare:

1. Is that a fact or is that just your interpretation of what happened? Where in the film did it state that Charles "turned his powers off"?

2. Absorbing its potential isn't the same as outright tanking it. Plus it took him a lot of time to absorb it. Doomsday's feat is more impressive. It just proves Shaw can't absorb exponential amounts in a short time, he needs to pace himself.

Well unless it is confirmed that xavier cut off his powers we are only speculating. Perhaps his powers over kinetic energy arent absolute. Besides in this clash of getting stronger between the two, doomsday still has more ways to kill shaw while doomsday wI'll only continue to get more power. Here's an example: doomsday throws shaw down a well. Or dooms day throws him into space. Or doomsday drowns him in water. Dude needs to breath and drink water and eat eventually.

@randomsid82: @heatforce: Guys, if I'm not involved in your discussion can you please stop tagging me.

Lol sorry I'll stop quoting.

@heatforce: Cheers, boss.

Stalemate.

@buildhare: DD was staggered by punchs from beings who physically dwaf Shaw not to mention it did no lasting damage. And ww's sword isn't made of ordinary metal. I'm not saying DD wins but Shaw isn't winning either. Shaw will absorb all of DD'S attack and become stronger & DD will heal and evolve when ever Shaw attacks him.

It's not speculation. That is how his powers work, that is how Kinetic Energy works. It would have been literally impossible for it to happen any other way. Not a single one of those will kill Shaw. You don't get kinetic energy do you?

Uhuh I'll wait for that proof. In fact, xavier said he was struggling to control him, what does that mean I wonder? Either way, I can easily just as say shaws control over kinetic energy isn't absolute. Magneto's feat would prove that to be true as well. And you still haven't countered my other points. I'm starting to sense NLF creeping up...

Seriously? The dude showed that he was capable of absorbing a nuclear reactor and still could keep absorbing. Do you have any idea the kind of power a nuclear reactor puts out? What proof are you waiting for? You can look up literally everything I have told you. And there was never a single time when Xavier wasn't controlling him, that he struggled to absorb anything. I'm not saying that he could absorb everything in existence, but he can absorb a nuclear reactor and keep absorbing. Unless Doomsday is MUUUUUUCH more powerful in striking than Superman was in MoS, he can't put out enough power to overload Shaw just from what we have seen.

What other points? Every single point you made uses Kinetic Energy to accomplish.

Bum

Great logic there buddy.

Shaw's best feat was absorbing a submarine's nuclear reactor, and 1) he had to really concentrate to do it and 2) he clearly wasn't absorbing the full output of the reactor, because the sub was still powered and functioning while Shaw was his thing. At best, Shaw can absorb a couple of hundred megawatts -- making the argument for anything higher is just a no limit fallacy.

Not sure if his cinematic version has a limit to how much energy he can absorb and how. A nuclear reactor is an object, so easily held enabling him to concentrate on absorbing it. Energy emissions, super strong punches, and the blast radius of Doomsday might kill him before he can figure out how to absorb the resulting energy.

DD for the win

BFR gg

DD.