Bullseye vs David Cain

In character

Winner by KO, incapacitation or death

Cain is in his prime

Pre-Shadowland Bullseye

Random encounter

Standard gear and abilities

Fight takes place at an unpopulated city block at night

Who'd win? For what reasons?

bullseye

@life_without_progress: distance b/w them?

And do they start visible?

@appzashok: 25 meters and no, they're not visible

@life_without_progress: Cain have a chance winning it stealthily.

I think Cain wins.

Bullseye should take this in a tough fight.

David

@life_without_progress:

" Cain is in his prime. "

In his prime he was considered Deathstroke's equal...he has also trained Bruce Wayne, and a old David stallemated Batman in No Man's Land.

He wins.

Bullseye takes him down.

Great fight.

In a long distance battle their's no doubt Bullseye will hold the advantage and once Cain notices this I believe he will use the environment to close the distance to get in close where the battle will favor him.

In the end, I think Cain ultimately wins via superior tactics, skill, and weaponry after a close brutal battle IMO.

Lester.

Def Cain.

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- Bullseye beat Elektra:

- Bullseye beat Black Widow:

- Bullseye Beat Gambit:

- Bullseye has a stalemate with Captain America:

- Bullseye has a Stalemate with Crossbones:

Bullseye had bad demonstrations against Punisher because of their arrogance, but that is a drop in the ocean, Bullseye is formidable.

Bullseye wins in h2h or with weapons, no matter. Bullseye wins 6/10 or 7/10

@abraham700: I wouldn't call that fight with Cap a stalemate since he just threw things at him and left. Also, crossbones was winning against bullseye before he felt.

Cain wins

David Cain destroys him, poor Bullseye..

Bullseye still wins.

@abraham700: I wouldn't call tagging cap an impressive feat and crossbones was beat down bullseye before he took out a knife and stabbed him. Crossbones was winning.

Tagging captain america isn't an impressive feat? Steve is better than David Cain in basically every way......

@jashro44: given the fact that Cain managed to beat Deadshot who had to pistols on him, I think that he can beat bullseye.

And no barely tagging Cap is not that great of a feat.

This is pretty much ABC logic. Deadshot isn't as evasive as bullseye is or as capable in hand to hand. Deadshot and David Cain started up close and David stunned deadshot with a head butt, he is less likely to get that chance with bullseye.

Hitting cap in the leg is a good feat considering cap is faster and more agile than David is, and has a shield to cover his body. It shows bullseye's tactics.

@jashro44:

Deadshot is a better shot then bullseye. Also if Cain can stalemate Batman in hand to hand what makes you think bullseye has a chance close up?

And did he actually do anything to cap? No, he threw dozens of objects, only tagged him once, then ran

@jayskee:

Deadshot is a better shot then bullseye.

Sure but that doesn't mean beating deadshot means you will beat bullseye.

Also if Cain can stalemate Batman in hand to hand what makes you think bullseye has a chance close up?

Cain can't stalemate batman in hand to hand. They fought 3 times and he did well but the fight never came to a conclusion. They had a rematch during Bruce Wayne fugitive and batman beat him pretty quickly. There was another fight where batman stomped him but David Cain was drunk.

And did he actually do anything to cap? No, he threw dozens of objects, only tagged him once, then ran

He injured cap's leg which is actually more than what cap did to bullseye in that fight.

@jashro44:

Cain stalemate Batmannin No Man's land. That puts him way above bullseye in hand to hand.

@jashro44: Cain stalemated batman in No Man's Land, that puts him above bullseye in hand to hand.

Are you talking about Detective comics 734? Because I listed that fight. That was the battle Cain did well that never reached a conclusion. He wasn't defeated by batman but that doesn't mean he is batman's equal in hand to hand. He can hold his own but bullseye has held his own against comparable fighters such as daredevil and elektra.

@jashro44: Bullseye has never beaten Daredevil in pure hand to hand and the last time he found Elektra she beat him senseless. Also Batman is above both of them in hand to hand. Cain also stalemated deathstroke who is also above Daredevil and Elektra.

Likewise David has never beaten batman.

No the last time they fought bullseye was enhanced by the hand and beat elektra to a bloody pulp until she used Shibou's skull. The time before that Elektra did beat bullseye while poisoned by stabbing him with his arrow while bullseye just randomly stood there and let her run up to him for some reason, but even prior to being poisoned he actually did get some hits and blocks in hand to hand combat:

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The time before that bullseye was beating elektra (with prep admittedly) and he lost when he had a nervous break down. Before that Bullseye killed her.

So out of all there 4 fights 2 fights have context (there recent one where bullseye was amped, and there fight in elektra volume one has context on both ends) and they both have a win on each other.

Not by much. And its not like there are few characters who have held there own against batman at some point. Yes David Cain is a better hand to hand fighter than bullseye but bullseye isn't bad either. There probably about a tier apart in hand to hand, but by the same token bullseye is a better range fighter than david cain. Bullseye also has better reflexes than David Cain and he hits harder due to the adamantium in his knuckles.

This was a less experienced deathstroke.

@jashro44: Cain has already taken down someone who is a better shot then Bullseye though

@abraham700: Elektra got a huge upgrade after Bullseye killed her and wasn't in the marvel top ten before that. She has never beaten any of those people except for Kirgi. Gambit is one of the worse hand to hand fighters in marvel.

Deadshot is a better shot then bullseye. Also if Cain can stalemate Batman in hand to hand what makes you think bullseye has a chance close up?

Deadshot is not versatile like Bullseye, not even close.

1-Deadshot is an expert with firearms.

2-Bullseye is an expert with all, anything, whatever is in your hands. Even a paper airplane is a weapon in your hands.

Cain can stalemate Batman in hand to hand

- Bullseye defeated Elektra.

Elektra is TOP 10 in Marvel fighters.

Elektra can beat Taskmaster, Wolverine, Silver Samurai, Razor fist, Kirigi, etc, etc .... Elektra can immobilize Daredevil, Elektra has a stalemate with Shang-chi, Elektra can do many things...but Bullseye kill her.

- Bullseye easily defeated Gambit.

Gambit is much more agile than Batman or David cain.

@abraham700:

Agility has nothing to with fighting skills. And besides killing Elektra in the 80 before she was the fighter she is today, what pure hand to hand feats does Bullseye have?

@abraham700:

It's cool

Yes his fight against deadshot he showed good pain tolerance, agility, and skill. With that said he didn't show good accuracy. Deadshot isn't the most evasive character (he is capable of moving when he needs to but he isn't as good as bullseye in this department). If it come down to a fight with projectiles involved I don't think Cain has the accuracy feats to shoot someone with the reflexes and agility of bullseye. David isn't going to be an easy target for bullseye but bullseye can tag him eventually, considering he has tagged people like deadpool and moon knight. Likewise as I've said if it does come to close quarters Lester can do better than deadshot did. On top of that bullseye is just smarter than David Cain is....

Its a good fight. Regardless my initial comment was just that bullseye being able to tag captain america is a good tactical feat for Lester.

@jashro44:

Cain managed to break into the bat cave. He is much smarter than bullseye. And he fight against Deadshot proved that he can be evasive.

What does this have to do with combat tactics? Sneaking into the bat-cave doesn't say much about David Cain's intelligence during a fight.

I said that David isn't going to be an easy target. Neither will bullseye. But since bullseye has better accuracy feats and reflex feats he will win a distance fight.

@jashro44:

It's an intelligent feat and given that Cain is one the best assassins in DC I think he is smarter than bullseye

How does it relate to being tactical in combat? How did he break into the bat-cave? Bullseye is also one of the best assassins in marvel.

@jashro44:

Cain is on Deathstroke's level in terms of assassin status. Bullseye isn't.

David Cain is only on deathstrokes level in reputation not feats.

@jashro44: He's on deathstroke's level because he stalemated Deathstroke

I addressed that already. It was a less experienced deathstroke.

@jashro44:

He still managed to find Deathstroke after his enhancements. That's more than Bullseye can do.

Do you have any proof that deathstroke at that point is above Bullseye? This deathstroke wasn't the one who was fighting groups of titans. His only feat at this point is stalemating David Cain which doesn't help David out.

@jashro44:

This Deathstroke still had 100 percent brain function

No he doesn't because Deathstroke's whole thing is that he uses 90% of his brain capacity as opposed to the 10% the regular person supposedly uses. And that doesn't put deathstroke above bullseye.