Broly vs Omega Shenron

Omega terrifies the Legendary Super Saiyan out of Broly...

Broly's theme song is 10's from Pantera. He wins regardless of the outcome of the battle.

Didn't it take SS4 gogeta to fight Omega and a galactic spirit bomb to kill him? Haven't watched DB in a while....

@cgoodness:

Yes, it did.

And It only took one punch from a battle-worn Goku who was powered up by his battle-worn allies to kill Broly.

@pope052: then from that evidence I vote Omega

omega shenron took gogeta ssj4 to be defeated

You know the "official" rating for OS is over 3billion, and in comparison, Brolly by '2nd Coming' was over 10billion easy. GT is a horrible piece of fail garbage and Battle of Gods neutered it at last.

So is there any reason why Broly doesn't get negative balled into dust? GT may be stupid, but he's one of two characters from that series who could stomp people from DBZ.

@hardcorefakes: The other being who? Baby?

Jmarshmallow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=tdoSzadli4w

you guys don't understand that brolly can't lose without PIS....

Who told you that lie?

Regular Broly loses.

DBM Broly on the other hand, well, that's a story for another time.

Baby is wet trash. I'm talking about Gogeta at SSJ4.

wasn't Omega Shenron stated to be the strongest DBZGT villain before Bills came into the picture. Omega Shenron stomps. lol at thee video game power levels. @god_spawn@deranged_midget@vance_astro@mercy_ please lock this for being a mismatch

Omega Shenron stomps so hard, its not even funny.

@hardcorefakes: i was joking, but seriously, when has he lost without PIS?

In the exact spot where he was stabbed as a child. Anywhere else that punch would've had no effect and Broly would have slaughtered everyone. And yes, that is complete PIS.

Omega Shenron also murderstomps.

Goku did not punch Broly in his stab wound. that was already debunked.

@xlab3000: From what was shown, Goku did indeed punch Broly in the stab wound.

@dreadpool10: no he didn't broly fanboys make up claims to make Broly look unbeatable http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZ7h1cnChu4

I'm not a Broly Fanboy. And I didn't side with Broly. I believe that Broly will be stomped by Omega Shenron and many other DBZ DBGT characters.

Goku reopened that stab wound and unleashed the energy he gained from the Z fighters to defeat Broly.

Though that is not the only way for Broly to be defeated. Beings that are more powerful than him can easily kill him without opening that wound.

@dreadpool10: I never said you were a Broly fanboy. I said they make up claims about Broly that aren't true. Goku didn't reopen his stab wound. the daizenshuu said Goku defeated Broly with a miralcle punch. Goku defeated Super 17 in his base form with the dragon fist. he aslo did the same with Hirudegarn. the dragon fist can beat characters who are stronger than Goku. we already have a thread on where to rank Broly
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/who-s-the-strongest-dbz-not-gt-character-lss-broly-1473703/

@xlab3000: Goku only managed to beat S17 by using a Specific Weakness that he exploited.Something anyone else could've done if they were smart about it. The same thing for Janemba, Hirudegarn, and other such villains. Brolly has no weaknesses to exploit.

The people who say "Oh it was stated that Omega Shenron was stronger" is just pure BS and backed by nothing than their own fan statements. Even the "official" PL rating has him Weaker than Goku. The whole GT series is so fricken bogus they can't even do scaling correctly. The GT rating had Omega Shenron at like 3billion. Goku as a SS3 at the end of DBZ was stated at 24billion.

GT is fail on a massive scale. OS has even legitimately destroyed a planet on his own that wasn't listed as a "possible" event, whereas Brolly nuked a galaxy in an Underpowered Form.

Please don't mention PIS like it's an actually plausible feat....just don't.

Shenron beat 2 super saiyan 4s.

@reikai:

Bills is a confirmed galaxy buster. OS being the strongest villain in DBZGT was a fact before Bills came in the picture. so Goku(at the end of DBZ) training with Uub for 10 years is weaker then he was in DBZ that makes no sense. those are video game power levels. you do realize dbz budokai 3 has alternate timelines. after you fight Frieza on namek you can go after him again or fight Cooler. they even have Broly alive at the same time as Majin Buu and that never happened in the anime. Super 17 couldn't attack while absorbing ki blast. he was still stronger than Goku. GT doesn't have him at that rating. the video game does. going by the video game PL final from frieza>super saiyan vegeta. there are no official power levels after the frieza saga. it took Goku aUNIVERSAL spirit bomb(he had some of everyone's energy) to beat OS. Broly never destroyed the south galaxy. I know what you're going to say he left New Planet Vegeta intact for Pegasus's plan. alright what about the other planet and stars Broly didn't destroy. watch 12:32-13:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXrnBUV_03o

people say GT is weak because Goku got cut by glass and he couldn't lift a building. Goku(DBZ) had trouble lifting 40 tons(base form) and had got hurt by a little rock(as a super saiyan). those are inconsistencies. lssj Broly is multi-solar system at best(since ssj2 gohan was able to land hits on him). if Broly busted the south galaxy then why he fighting in the south galaxy. OWNED. if Broly is a galaxy buster then why were there stars and a gigantic planet left. OWNED. in the movie it's referenced he was destroying planets as a ssj not a rssj. OS beats Broly and Broly isn't the strongest DBZGT character get over it. read my big post on http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/who-s-the-strongest-dbz-not-gt-character-lss-broly-1473703/

If Broly didn't die and lived long enough to see GT, his power level would have kept increasing until he was at ssj4 gogeta level and maybe even higher. With that said Shenron absolutely pile drives Broly in ridiculously easy fashion. But Broly never even got to train his potential. He could have easily been the most powerful on that show ever.

@xlab3000: GT was done by a completely different writing team that had no two shits of a clue about anything in DBZ since they dropped Gohan's mystic status and made him a Super Saiyan again. The entire GT cast is weaker and their own damn numbers support this fact. Again, Shenron's PL was 3billion. Six at its highest point. Goku in the Buu Saga as a SS2 had a 6billion Power Level.

That means that Goku, Vegeta, and the entire GT cast are Vastly Weaker than their DBZ counterparts. And this is because GT is Non-Canon. Claiming that OS is "stronger" and that it's a "fact", doesn't make it a fact, especially when all the evidence proves that it's a pile of steaming monkey turd.

Brolly is a Movie Character and he already falls outside the Main Dragonball Canon. Shenron may be stronger than Cell, but who cares? Every version of Buu was stronger than Cell, and Brolly did more than all of them combined. GT's story was a garbage dump of terrible ideas. The only good one was pleading with Toriyama to do the Concept Art. That's it. He never made it canon. He only ever said that he thought it was entertaining. That's all.

Also, don't bother bringing up the stuff about the South Galaxy. It's been explained time and again. Outer Rim Systems were demolished, but still there. All the planets were Dead with the exception of those Paragus used Tech to pump some life into for leading Vegeta around by the nose hairs. Again you ignore the fact Brolly performed this feat while Underpowered. Brolly was, at best, in a Restrained Super Saiyan form because of the Control Circlet limiting and suppressing his power.

And despite that grievous limitation, Brolly had still all but annihilated the Southern Galaxy in a single attack. Because any other explanation that you can come up with involves Millions of Years going by, which clearly is not happening, or Brolly is moving at trillions of times faster than lightspeed, which would make him THE Fastest Character in the Entire Dragon Ball Multiverse. And since we know that explanation doesn't fly, it means that the South Galaxy got turned from a rubber ball into a rubber band in a matter of seconds.

What was Omega Shenron's biggest destruction feat? Oh wait, he doesn't even have one. He only has a Speculated Possible future told by Old Kai as to what Might happen from his Negative Force over a Long Period of Time.

Now, what Multiplier would a Restrained SSJ have? Under 50x. Maybe 25x at best. So, then we take that and look at what kinda power the LSSJ would have, which by all evidence and showings places it high above SS2, with the added benefit of his power constantly increasing while in that form. So, LSSJ has maybe a Base Starting increase of 250x, and then gradually and constantly keeps growing the longer Brolly remains in that form.

And you really wanna know why the Genki-Dama beat Shenron? Not even due to power. Shenron was Negative Energy. Genki-Dama was Positive. Positive and Negative attract and Cancel Out. To which Goku did in base Child Form because at that point he was in full Plot Mode and Shenron was crapping himself.

"But Shenron beat two SS4's!"...And? They don't even have feats equal to SS1's in DBZ. Even the numbers make them out to be complete chumps. To Brolly, numbers are meaningless. He did what took Birus a decade to prep to do.

That's like saying Hiroshima wasn't destroyed because there was rubble left over. How daft can you be? The south galaxy WAS destroyed, they were simply fighting on remnants. And besides, if Broly destroyed EVERYTHING, his father wouldn't have been able to lure Prince Vegeta, so yeah, huge hole in your logic. "Owned."

@reikai: ssj4 goku don't have feats compared to ssj goku lol. going by your logic Nappa would easily beat Ginyu since he doesn't have any city busting feats. Broly the fastest character in the Dragonball Multiverse lol. Broly did not annihilated the entire south galaxy did you even watch the movie. Broly was a ssj while destroying bits of the galaxy he was not a rssj. Paragus would have died along time ago. going by official Guides Bills>Broly. Bills is the strongest movie villain. Bills defeated the z fighters in seconds and it took Broly minutes to do that. GT's numbers aren't official. it's just like you ignored my entire post. you keep going by video game power levels ssj2 vegeta pl 6 billion the video game also said ssj gogeta 2.5 billion. so I guess ssj2 vegeta>ssj gogeta. you are going by non canon power levels. his power isn't rising that was a english dub error. really the genkidama defeated beacuse it was positive energy then what about ssj4 gogeta's big bang kamehameha that wasn't made of negative energy. Broly nowhere to being the strongest of the Dragonball Multiverse. even Majin Vegeta wrecks Broly. Omega Shenron was speulated to be a galaxy buster. your feat argument is flawed. so I guess Frieza can beat Cell since Cell has no planet busting feats either huh. there were other stars and a gigantic planet left not jus New Planet Vegeta did you even watch the movie. reikai you make no sense at all, you go by non canon material and you make up your facts. you are the worst Broly wanker I had ever met. you can keep saying Broly is the fastest and strongest in Dragonball Multiverse all you want but that doesn't change the fact he gets stomped by other DBZ and GT characters. now quit being a wanker.

@the_last_kryptonian: they were not fighting on remnants. how stupid can you be? what about the other planet and stars Broly didn't destroy. watch 12:32-13:00
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXrnBUV_03o
so a destroyed galaxy has stars and planets left over. huge hole in your logic. OWNED. Broly is FAR INFERIOR to Omega Shenron get over it. @god_spawn@deranged_midget please lock this for being a mismatch

@xlab3000:

ssj4 goku don't have feats compared to ssj goku lol. going by your logic Nappa would easily beat Ginyu since he doesn't have any city busting feats.

And King Piccolo nuked a city in Dragonball so he's better than Shenron since Shenron never blew up anything significant. And Ginyu did fire a blast so large it created a nuke effect and he was just playing.

2:00

Hell earlier Recoome and Vegeta had fired blasts you could see from space.

Really, GT is fail. Its a proven fact. Wanking GT doesn't make it better than DBZ or the movies. And all the numbers point to it being inferior in every way. Should I also point out that Goku was getting worked on and tired out by a bunch of effeminate aliens and their bad music?

There are no "official" power levels after Frieza saga, only estimates. Also Omega Shenron curbstomps. SSJ3 Goku would annihilate broly, let alone SSJ4- who couldn't even scratch Omega.

Omega Shenron

Bills

Kid Buu

Super Buu

Fat Majin Buu

Hatchiyack

SSJ3 Goku

SSJ4 Goku

SSJ4 Vegeta

Super Vegito

Super Gogeta

Super Perfect Cell

Janemba

Super Janema

A long list of people that can beat Broly.

Omega Shenron murderstomps.

Broly gets massively and utterly annihilated by Omega Shenron. Who cares if GT was poorly written or whatever. SSJ4 Gogeta and Omega Shenron were the strongest at the end of the Dragon Ball/Z/GT universe and series. Get over it.

Yeah man, and there's more besides. Let's not forget Ultimate Gohan; Gotenks; Hirudegarn and possibly Majin vegeta

@ssjlozza:

Considering the company that owns DBZ put it out, that's as Official as you're gonna get unless Toriyama comes out on stage to correct them.

At the end of the day, there is only one truth.

If Broly wasn't killed three times and was allowed to progress and train in similar ways to Goku, or if Goku didn't battle him until broly got stonger hen he would stand a chance. But It is a spite thread due to Broly having amazing potential, but was clipped off too early to stand agaisnt Omega.

I love Broly and Hate GT but Omega Shenron stomps.

I was just about to add Gotenks to that list before I posted it.

@reikai said:

@ssjlozza:

Considering the company that owns DBZ put it out, that's as Official as you're gonna get unless Toriyama comes out on stage to correct them.

At the end of the day, there is only one truth.

No power-level after Frieza saga is considered canon, but tell me, where did you find that chart?

@ssjlozza: It's a scan from a V-Jump magazine produced b Viz Media and Funimation Entertainment. Which means it's Company Official. The top three canon sources would be Toriyama > The Company (Viz/Funimation) >/= Daizenshuu, after which is the Manga as the Main Universe, everything else is secondary, and GT is non-canon.

The Daizenshuu was made with Toriyama's approval at the time, after which the Company took over and they made further bits in the V-Jump magazine, which makes them Official unless Toriyama himself comes out to say the figures are incorrect. He hasn't done so, which means the numbers are either close to what he was thinking, or they don't bother him at all and he doesn't feel like thinking about math and such. The show wasn't meant to be complicated anyway.

And I'm still waiting for all these people to even bring out one shred of actual proof that Shenron could win besides failed powerscaling when GT PL chars fall so incredibly low. Because if we wanted to go by powerscaling, well then, let's factor in Time since being dead doesn't stop you from getting stronger as proven by DBZ at large.

Lesse. Goku in Buu Saga had a base PL of 60mil. In Cell Saga it was closer to 30mil. So in a span of 7yrs Goku doubled his base level via training as opposed to Zenkai. Battle of Gods is 5yrs after the end of DBZ, by which time Videl is just pregnant with Pan, and Pan is around 14 by the end of GT, so the end of GT is like 20yrs after DBZ. So fair estimate that by Power Scaling, Goku's PL should be triple what it was during the Buu Saga by DBZ terms (since GT is actually much, much lower).

Brolly's base PL when unrestricted in Movie 8 would be around 37mil, so he was stronger than Goku at base. This is applying that his LSSJ transformation is twice the increase of a SS2, which seems logical given he was backhanding SS2 Gohan in Movie 10 and overpowering 2 SS2's and a SSJ quite easily before Plot Device was introduced. So, say, LSSJ has base increase of 200x and then gradually increases higher the longer he is transformed.

7yrs later, Second Coming, Goku's PL as a SS2 is 6billion, Gohan as a SS2 is 5billion. Goten should be around 1-2billion as a SSJ (SSJ Gotenks is 4billion so that's added with Trunks and then doubled at least by the fusion ability). So looking at a 11-12 billion total PL output, not adding any of the Family Plot-Power increase that gets thrown in, which may put that into the 20billion+ range. To which LSSJ Brolly was still quite easily beating with his attack.

But even, say, his PL was 15billion for that. His base would be 75mil. Then we triple that for 20yrs of rage increase. So 225mil at least. LSSJ at 200x increase would be 45billion. And that's being reasonable. And if we follow the line that his transformations are double normal strength because of his status, then we look at LSSJ3. Normal SS3 is 400x base, so if the LSSJ deal holds true, that makes it 800x for Brolly. Which would theoretically put his "GT" level at 180billion.

But, you know what Bandai (that works with Viz, Toei and Funimation) put Omega Shenron's level at for Scouter Battle Taiken Kamehameha? 1.9billion. That's it. Only on Fan Sites will you see higher numbers. And their highest number for Omega Shenron, was 9.3billion. Evenon Fanbased Forums, his power is nothing to what's being issued for the DBZ cast. Even the Fans who put up outrageous power levels for their favorite characters, still get dragged down by the monumental fail that is GT.

By all their own internal arguments and sources from GT, Omega Shenron loses flat out to SS3 Goku in DBZ, nevermind trying to stand up against galaxy-nuking Brolly.

@reikai:

Omega wins because it is plain common sense.

SSJ4 Goku or Vegeta > LSSJ Broly

Omega Shenron > SSJ4 Goku and Vegeta.

SSJ4 Gogeta > Everyone.

@pope052: Feats.

Galaxy Busters: Brolly, Birus (Bills)

Non-Galaxy Busters: EVERYONE ELSE

Q:Who wins in a fight between a Galaxy Buster and a Non-Galaxy Buster of relative speed?

A: Who do you F*@KIN think? The Galaxy Buster.

This is fact and common sense rolled together. Any other argument is irrelevant and moot by the simplicity of this fact.

Omega in a stomp, huge Stomp. IBL

Why is everyone just saying that whoever has the best feats has to win? DBZ doesn't and never has worked like that. Don't discuss it as if it's a comic when different rules apply, or else you'll end up at the conclusion that Frieza>Cell, Buu>Vegito, Master Roshi> captain Ginyu etc etc. DBZ debaters rarely judge a character purely on feats, because DBZ like some other mangas doesn't rely on that system. Comic debates are known to rely heavily on feats, which is more than likely one of the reasons it's so easy to judge who's the strongest/fastest by the largest thing they've destroyed and the fastest speed they've moved in recent years. I love comics and I love DBZ, but they require separate styles of analysis, which is in truth one of the main reasons Screwattack got Goku vs Superman wrong imo- they failed to use powerscaling, the most important method of deciphering how powerful a DBZ character is. No character has ever lost to someone weaker than a character they have defeated previously, unless it's because they are low on energy.

In essence, Broly being a galaxy buster is more or less meaningless, except that it suggests that all late Z characters are.