Bending Tourney Lunacyde vs. IamLove

The Rules:

- All combatants ARE in character.

- Win by KO,Death, or Incapacitation.

- Though all combatants are in character, they do believe that whatever they care for most is on the line, so they are all very well motivated.

- Team Chemistry comes into play, but no one will downright refuse to fight together.

- Only gear listed is allowed.

- Combatants start at opposite sides of the arena, facing each other. (approx. 200 meters apart.)

- No one may leave the arena. There is a 100 foot flight ceiling.

- Assume all battles take place at twilight and afford neither waterbenders or firebenders any advantage.

- Avatars may only bend ONE element. This element must remain constant throughout the tournament and be chosen when teams are drafted.

-Avatars may not use the Avatar State in any form, or energy bend.

- Each team gets 30 minutes before each match to plan and strategize. The only information they will be provided is the names of their opponents and a picture to match. The only information they have otherwise on their opponents must come from in-show knowledge.

-All characters are going to be considered at their peak shown in the show.

- Due to lack of Waterbenders Kya will be included. Imagine her as a clone of Katara with the same exact feats. Basically debating for Kya should be exactly like debating for Katara.

The Arena:

The Ultimate Bending Championship Battles will take place in a Coliseum type arena pictured below. The entire field is made of Earth and has dimensions of approx. 200 meters x 100 meters. Things designated with blue are channels/pools of water, with platinum grates over them. (Like where Katara captures Azula.) Brown squares are pillars of rock (like where Aang first faces Combustion Man), and black squares are metal posts with cables hanging from them (sort of like power lines). The outer walls are black and are 50 feet tall and made of platinum.

Lunacyde

Location: Shu Jing

Mascot: Lion Turtles

Colors: Black and Orange

Members:

Wildcard: (Leader) Master Piandao - Hand Crafted Jian (Straight Sword)

Firebender: Zuko - Dual Dao Blades

Earthbender: Toph Beifong

Waterbender: Noatak

Non-Bender: June and Nyla - Whip

vs.

Iamlovewithin500

Location: Ember Island

Mascot: Oasis Clan

Colors: Orange and White

Members:

Water: Hama

Earth: Haru

Fire: Jeong Jeong

Non-Bender: Jet and Longshot

Wildcard: Blue Spirit

GOOD LUCK!

I love how both teams have that one member who completely throws off the chemistry

Oh this shall be interesting.

Lunacyde's team wins easily based simply on having more (almost all) aces, where as the other team is compromised of B-listers. Jeong Jeong is incredibly powerful, but he won't be carrying his team against a team composed almost entirely of masters.

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@greenteaforme: Entirely of Masters? Was Zuko even stated to be a master yet? He was still learning from his uncle before they parted ways.When he was instructing Aang, he was only teaching him what Iroh taught him,but it was never officially confirmed that he was a master Firebender. Also Master Piando is made short work of by Jett,who had the better h2h and dueling feats.

I'm assuming these are characters at the end of the series.

Your team is almost entirely B-listers. Sorry. Just because he has better dueling feats doesn't put him in the same league as a reputed master. Piandao simply didn't have the screen time to showcase any feats. I think most people would agree with me.

Just because he has better dueling feats doesn't put him in the same league as a reputed master. Piandao simply didn't have the screen time to showcase any feats. I think most people would agree with me.

Sorry

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@greenteaforme:

Just because he has better dueling feats doesn't put him in the same league as a reputed master. Piandao simply didn't have the screen time to showcase any feats. I think most people would agree with me.

Well hey read the OP yourself

All Benders are in character.Besides that you're calling my team full of B listers and being biased saying that Luna's team is comprised of masters when that isn't true AT ALL.

Master Piando didn't have any screen time because he was also a B lister
Same goes for June and Nyla.


You basically just proved my point. Jett has better showings, and has more feats to pull from.

Sorry

No need to apologize...

Sorry, nope.

Your team loses.

And you're distorting what I meant by "B-lister". I meant in ability. Your team is lacking it ability, by a lot.

Is this going by votes? Because I'm voting for the other guy's team.

Sorry, nope.

Your team loses.

And you're distorting what I meant by "B-lister". I meant in ability. Your team is lacking it ability, by a lot.

Is this going by votes? Because I'm voting for the other guy's team.

I thought this wasn't an open debate

I thought this wasn't an open debate

So it is an open debate

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@greenteaforme:

Sorry, nope.

Your team loses.

And you're distorting what I meant by "B-lister". I meant in ability. Your team is lacking it ability, by a lot.

Is this going by votes? Because I'm voting for the other guy's team.

Then It is your fault because you should have been more "clearer" .
I don't distort or twist words.I keep it 100 when I post.


As far as I see it

Luna has
two masters with one possible master

Toph and Piando(masters)
Zuko(possibly,but not officially confirmed) I have no idea about Noatak .

A lot of the debate is based on speculation. You cannot used lack of feats as an excuse for, say, Jet beating Piandao when he has no business doing so (and I hope you realize that he actually wouldn't).

Noatak and his brother are, for all intents and purposes, both "master" level, despite having close to zero water bending feats from either of them.

A lot of the debate is based on speculation. You cannot used lack of feats as an excuse for, say, Jet beating Piandao when he has no business doing so (and I hope you realize that he actually wouldn't).

Noatak and his brother are, for all intents and purposes, both "master" level, despite having close to zero water bending feats from either of them

Tarrlok had good feats being able to hold his own against the avatar but yeah for his brother he just bloodbended and showed no other fears

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@greenteaforme:

A lot of the debate is based on speculation. You cannot used lack of feats as an excuse for, say, Jet beating Piandao when he has no business doing so (and I hope you realize that he actually wouldn't).

Noatak and his brother are, for all intents and purposes, both "master" level, despite having close to zero water bending feats from either of them

I need to catch up on the new series.So I'm behind there. Okay so lack of feats,then what do we use for Piandao? -__________- Jett has better showings and more feats,end of. Zuko as Blue spirit could probably give Piandao a run for his money. I'm done though.

You need to speculate for most of these characters. Even Jeong Jeong showed really big and powerful fire bending, has no actual combat feats that are viable for this instance.

So, like I said, it's almost all a speculation battle based on their implied levels.

so I'm waiting to hear some cases...

so I'm waiting to hear some cases...

I just meant that I was waiting for each side to provide some sort of scenario of how they would win the fight..like how dane and fediwaffles have theirs lol

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@greenteaforme: Entirely of Masters? Was Zuko even stated to be a master yet? He was still learning from his uncle before they parted ways.When he was instructing Aang, he was only teaching him what Iroh taught him,but it was never officially confirmed that he was a master Firebender. Also Master Piando is made short work of by Jett,who had the better h2h and dueling feats.

Zuko became a master after facing the Dragons.

Master Piandao being defeated by Jet is entirely laughable.

I will go into further detail a little later. I have some stuff I have to do. Then i will post my argument.

@Lunacyde said:

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@greenteaforme: Entirely of Masters? Was Zuko even stated to be a master yet? He was still learning from his uncle before they parted ways.When he was instructing Aang, he was only teaching him what Iroh taught him,but it was never officially confirmed that he was a master Firebender. Also Master Piando is made short work of by Jett,who had the better h2h and dueling feats.

Zuko became a master after facing the Dragons.

Master Piandao being defeated by Jet is entirely laughable.

I will go into further detail a little later. I have some stuff I have to do. Then i will post my argument.

Siding with you.

Ok, First to clear a few things up.

Although Master Piandao had little screen time there is still a lot we know about him. He is the greatest swordsman in fire nation history, and considered the greatest swordsman in the world in Avatar. Yes that includes Jet and Zuko. He trained Zuko in the use of the dual dao blades, and Zuko was an even match for Jet in swordsmanship. Piandao fought in the army and won many battles, in fact he was never defeated. However he grew bored of war and disliked the ways of the fire nation military so he deserted to travel the world learning from warriors, benders, and artisans. After this he settled down in Shu Jing where the military came to arrest him for deserting. In a legendary battle he defeated 100 fire nation soldiers single-handedly and they left him in peace. He has trained countless swordsmen, but none surpassing his own skill. He is a lover of the arts and philosophy. The creators have stated that he would have defeated Sokka in less than a second if he was truly fighting him in that episode. In that episode we got a small taste of his ability as he was able to fight blind (even able to catch his scabbard on his sword while blind), outpace Sokka without Sokka even realizing he had passed him, and his brilliance for tactics was hinted at, as well as his strong powers of perception. He realized that Aang was the avatar and knew the whole time Sokka was water tribe (though the name gave it away). When they retake Ba Sing Se he is seen effortlessly defeating a number of fire nation soldiers in seconds.

Zuko became a firebending master after facing the dragons. He easily matched Azula in every firebending showing after that including the Agni Kai in the finale where he was soundly defeating her before she resorted to dirty tricks. She was breathing heavily and tired out while he was not fatigued at all. He was shown able to counter everything she could throw at him. He became the fourth most powerful firebender in the show behind his father, uncle and Jeong Jeong.

Toph is considered an Earthbending master, and easily the second best Earthbender in the show behind Bumi.

June doesn't get a lot of screen time but everytime we see her she is kicking butt. She defeats large men in arm wrestling, easily kicks them around in a bar fight (while not spilling her drink) and the Shirshu shows some bad ass feats of strength, as well as being fast, and capable of paralyzing opponents.

Noatak, although rarely shown waterbending is clearly on Master level. First of all he is shown effortlessly capable of creating a waterspout, a master level move only ever performed in the show by Avatars and Master Pakku. Secondly he is a prodigy who mastered psychic bloodbending at age 14. Bloodbending is done under a full moon for most because it requires more power and skill than regular waterbending, if he is that powerful of a bloodbender, it's a given that he is a very powerful water bender. Tarrlok said his skill far surpassed his own and he's never known any bender as strong as Noatak. Therefore waterbending feats used by Tarrlok can be assumed to be well within Noatak's ability to perform. All of this evidence points to master level.

I know this isnt an open debate much like how Dane said on his tournament but heres how i see it going Hama beats Noatok,Toph beats Haru, Jeong Jeong and Zuko have a good battle but Jeong Jeong probably takes it due to his expierence and him being a master and all but that battle could go either way if its 1 vs 1 i'd give it to Jeong Jeong but itl probably be 2 on 1 because im pretty sure Toph should be able to take care of Hama. Now after that Jet and Blue spirit/Zuko should be more than enough to handle Piando and they should be able to take Piando but Piando wont go down easily. Then there's the fact that I forgot to factor in June and Nyla into the battle because she really will be a wild card. I'd figure Long shot could possily distract June and Nyla but at the same time June and Nyla might take Longshot out before anything unless Bluespirit informs them of what June and Nyla. June and Nyla and Toph are really what will decide the tide of the battle

Zuko became a master after facing the Dragons.

Master Piandao being defeated by Jet is entirely laughable.

I will go into further detail a little later. I have some stuff I have to do. Then i will post my argument.

Although Master Piandao had little screen time there is still a lot we know about him. He is the greatest swordsman in fire nation history, and considered the greatest swordsman in the world in Avatar. Yes that includes Jet and Zuko. He trained Zuko in the use of the dual dao blades, and Zuko was an even match for Jet in swordsmanship. Piandao fought in the army and won many battles, in fact he was never defeated. However he grew bored of war and disliked the ways of the fire nation military so he deserted to travel the world learning from warriors, benders, and artisans. After this he settled down in Shu Jing where the military came to arrest him for deserting. In a legendary battle he defeated 100 fire nation soldiers single-handedly and they left him in peace. He has trained countless swordsmen, but none surpassing his own skill. He is a lover of the arts and philosophy. The creators have stated that he would have defeated Sokka in less than a second if he was truly fighting him in that episode. In that episode we got a small taste of his ability as he was able to fight blind (even able to catch his scabbard on his sword while blind), outpace Sokka without Sokka even realizing he had passed him, and his brilliance for tactics was hinted at, as well as his strong powers of perception. He realized that Aang was the avatar and knew the whole time Sokka was water tribe (though the name gave it away). When they retake Ba Sing Se he is seen effortlessly defeating a number of fire nation soldiers in seconds. 

Zuko became a firebending master after facing the dragons. He easily matched Azula in every firebending showing after that including the Agni Kai in the finale where he was soundly defeating her before she resorted to dirty tricks. She was breathing heavily and tired out while he was not fatigued at all. He was shown able to counter everything she could throw at him. He became the fourth most powerful firebender in the show behind his father, uncle and Jeong Jeong. 

Toph is considered an Earthbending master, and easily the second best Earthbender in the show behind Bumi. 

June doesn't get a lot of screen time but everytime we see her she is kicking butt. She defeats large men in arm wrestling, easily kicks them around in a bar fight (while not spilling her drink) and the Shirshu shows some bad ass feats of strength, as well as being fast, and capable of paralyzing opponents. 

Noatak, although rarely shown waterbending is clearly on Master level. First of all he is shown effortlessly capable of creating a waterspout, a master level move only ever performed in the show by Avatars and Master Pakku. Secondly he is a prodigy who mastered psychic bloodbending at age 14. Bloodbending is done under a full moon for most because it requires more power and skill than regular waterbending, if he is that powerful of a bloodbender, it's a given that he is a very powerful water bender. Tarrlok said his skill far surpassed his own and he's never known any bender as strong as Noatak. Therefore waterbending feats used by Tarrlok can be assumed to be well within Noatak's ability to perform. All of this evidence points to master level. 

I apologize. My girlfriend lives 3 hours away and has been in town so I haven't had a chance to be around.

Here's my strategy. Piandao is the team leader. He has the experience, tactical knowledge, and commanding presence that all can respect. Knowing his teams strengths and weaknesses and his opponents as well he would decide a defensive approach would be best. They would form a close triangle with their backs to the arena wall, allowing for much less flanking opportunity by their opponents. Toph would be in the back as she could feel everything happening on the arena floor and remotely bend out in front of her teammates. Noatak would be positioned in the front right next to the pool of water to take advantage of his waterbending abilities. Zuko would be in the font left to dissipate any oncoming fire attacks. Piandao would be in the center rear of the triangle calling out what he sees to his teammates and coordinating their responses as well as adding another level of defense for Toph. June and Nyla will immediately sprint to the far side of the arena and loop behind hopefully flanking their opponents and taking them down paralyzed, or creating enough distraction that they cannot properly coordinate attacks.

Haru is a weak link. While maintaining defensive integrity we would focus on him first. Toph could easily see all of his attacks coming and counter them effortlessly. We've never seen her lose to another Earthbender in the series and you can be sure she would make short work of Haru. From there the focus would shift to Hama. She is a very skilled bender, but she could not take Noatak. He is a waterbending prodigy who has shown the ability to use master level forms (like the waterspout which only avatar's and master pakku have ever been shown able to utilize). He is the most powerful bender Tarrlock has ever met. (This including people like Korra and Tenzin). He mastered psychic bloodbending at age 14. He has shown more talent and power at bloodbending than Hama ever did, and was even able to overcome the bloodbending of his brother Tarrlok who was a bloodbending master in his own right. Being in prime shape and a more powerful bender he should be able to defeat Hama in about the amount of time Katara originally did. Hama lost to Katara, then bloodbended Katara (which katara overcame stating she was more powerful) then bloodbended her friends to attack each other which Katara stopped. From there Jeong Jeong is the only true threat. Together the might of my three benders should be able to defeat him as he has few feats and prefers not to fight. From there the non-benders should have little chance against my powerful benders, especially if some of them are paralyzed.

@Lunacyde: Welcome back

 From there the focus would shift to Hama. She is a very skilled bender, but she could not take Noatak. He is a waterbending prodigy who has shown the ability to use master level forms (like the waterspout which only avatar's and master pakku have ever been shown able to utilize). He is the most powerful bender Tarrlock has ever met. (This including people like Korra and Tenzin). He mastered psychic bloodbending at age 14. He has shown more talent and power at bloodbending than Hama ever did, and was even able to overcome the bloodbending of his brother Tarrlok who was a bloodbending master in his own right. Being in prime shape and a more powerful bender he should be able to defeat Hama in about the amount of time Katara originally did. Hama lost to Katara, then bloodbended Katara (which katara overcame stating she was more powerful) then bloodbended her friends to attack each other which Katara stopped.

Haru is a weak link. 

From there Jeong Jeong is the only true threat. Together the might of my three benders should be able to defeat him as he has few feats and prefers not to fight. From there the non-benders should have little chance against my powerful benders, especially if some of them are paralyzed. 
 

  I apologize. My girlfriend lives 3 hours away and has been in town so I haven't had a chance to be around. 

So are you done debating

My dude up here ^ solos

So are you done debating

and honestly all that i'm bolding,I find it a bit unfair to compare.When Hama fought Katara she was toying with her at first,not really trying to fight, because if she really wanted to kill Katara, Hama could have did it right then and there. She was trying to push Katara into bloodbending. So really she won, because she got what she wanted.Also It might not be that Katara is a more powerful bender than Hama,you have to take into account the age gap.Hama probably had become weaker in her old age. (I bet she escaped again as soon as they"arrested" Hama, lol)

I didn't see that scene that way. Yes Hama was trying to teach Katara bloodbending, but I didn't get any kind of feeling she was holding back during the fight. Hama seemed to be exerting herself greatly during their fight and I doubt she could have killed Katara at all, unless she went for it immediately using bloodbending before Katara could overcome it. Katara clearly states that she is a more powerful bender than Hama and procedes to break her grip which surprises Hama.

Honestly Noatak's bloodbending feats are better than Hama's and though he is young his mastery of waterbending/bloodbending rivaled hers in my opinion.

They could possibly destroy him together,but honestly Zuko is almost a non factor.Jeong Jeong would probably school him.Toph might get the drop on him,but if not... with Zuko being taken out with ease because his firebending prowess is no match for Jeong Jeong's ,that leaves your team open to being burned. Jeong Jeong is very wise and observant,yes he prefers not to fight,but if you saw the series finale when he was fighting with the rest of White Lotus,he was kicking butt. so he'll battle if he has to.

Jeong Jeong is a master and superior to Zuko for sure. However I believe Zuko should be able to hold back Jeong Jeong long enough that the others can help bring him down. After all Zuko was able to easily dissipate all of Azula's attacks after facing the masters. Azula's characteristic blue fire is more intense than normal fire. Jeong Jeong is a damn good firebender, but he is not good enough to defeat this many powerful benders at once.

Good argument though. I respect your opinions, though I don't agree.

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@menaceforever said:

So are you done debating

Not sure yet
I'll wait on Luna since he made the thread and I already went.

@VercingetorixTheGreat:


^^^^^^^^ Gran gran Hama thinks different! >:)

didn't see that scene that way. Yes Hama was trying to teach Katara bloodbending, but I didn't get any kind of feeling she was holding back during the fight. Hama seemed to be exerting herself greatly during their fight and I doubt she could have killed Katara at all, unless she went for it immediately using bloodbending before Katara could overcome it. Katara clearly states that she is a more powerful bender than Hama and procedes to break her grip which surprises Hama.

Honestly Noatak's bloodbending feats are better than Hama's and though he is young his mastery of waterbending/bloodbending rivaled hers in my opinion.

Good argument though. I respect your opinions, though I don't agree. 

@Iamlovewithin500 said:

@menaceforever said:

So are you done debating

Not sure yet
I'll wait on Luna since he made the thread and I already went.

@VercingetorixTheGreat:


^^^^^^^^ Gran gran Hama thinks different! >:)

@Iamlovewithin500:

Yeah, I'm just about as ready as I'll ever be lol. I think we argued our points out. No matter who wins it was a good debate and the winner will be a strong contender next round.

@Iamlovewithin500: I think it goes Amon>Yakone>Katara>Tarrlok>Hama

Atleast bloodbending wise

overall waterbending i don't know we never got to see Amon Waterbend... Man I hope he is alive

We are open for voting if anyone cares to cast a ballot.

...and still not a vote....

Iamlovewithin500 I'm sorry to say.......you must leave Hells Kitchen my vote goes to Luna

bump

If this is still running, I'll vote for Lunacyde.

@Pwok21: It sort of is but everyone else forgot about it.