Ben 10 vs Hal Jordan (Green Lantern)

When?

Scans of that? I honestly don't remember the specifics of the instance. That's never really stopped Hal from hurting other willful beings like Superman and other lanterns so that may just be PIS.

He would only have to K.O one..if Ben tires out then he collapses and reverts back to human form. His watch isn't a respawn count.

Hal is pretty fast too. He can possibly just fly him to outer space or something along those lines.

I doubt Way Big is strong enough to break Hal's best constructs. Superman may have but that's Superman. Hal has actually dealt with intangible opponents and can turn intangible himself. XLR8 may be able to do that, if Hal didn't have any shields up. But if Ben gets time to switch to an Alien, then Hal should be able to put up a shield around himself. Besides, that would never happen in a battle setting anyway(not to mention the fact that they were standing literally right next to each other). I believe Hal has tagged Flash with an energy blast before so speed may not be too big a factor. If Ben goes Echo Echo then one energy blast will end him very fast. Actually..most of Ben's aliens wouldn't be able to tank a punch from Hal.

@juiceboks And Feedback won't do anything while Hal is flying him to space? He can transform in any alien that can survive space.

Superman didn't even try while breaking Hal's constructs. Way Big and Ult. Way Big can.

Show me a scan of New52 Hal stopping an intangible bring using his shield.

Hal doesn't always has his shield up. Most of the time when he's offensive, he doesn't has a shield up. Hal has no idea about XLR8 super speed. Before he can know what's happening, ring will be out of his hand.

Only problem is that there won't be one Echo Echo. He can make numerous copies of himself. After all only one sonic blast and Hal would be down. Water Hazard?

@juiceboks: I will admit that NRG get's absorbed then. However, I see the constructs of the Lantern Corps similar to Gwen's mana-constructs on how they work. And NRG without a suit has been shown to just absorb every type of energy that comes into contact with him.(Mana, nuclear, electric, ect..)

Not if Hal is flying at near light speed. And if he isn't, well then Ben transforms and then we got another battle to debate on. And if the fight does get taken into space, Hal can open a wormhole and BFR Ben.

Hal's contructs can vary in strength. That was way back when he wasn't familiar with Superman's strength and most likely underestimated him. If he doesn't mess around, he can hold Way Big. He's held together an exploding star before with ease.

I don't have one, I don't think he's even fought an intangible enemy in the New 52. Feel free to prove me wrong though. John Stewart has captured Martian Manhunter before with a bubble for what that's worth.

Hal's dealt with speedsters before, he also boasts his own superspeed. Even if he does take away his ring, that doesn't make him powerless. Hal has shown the ability to remotely utilize his ring.

Then he blasts them all with an omni directional blast. One sonic blast is not gonna down Hal. He's survived nukes point blank with no shields. Water Hazard would most likely get one shotted with a punch or blast.

@the_legendary_supersaiyan_hulk Could he possibly absorb Hal's contructs? Possibly. But Hal has other ways to deal with him and pretty much all of Ben's aliens.

@juiceboks Then we debate

If it gets taken into space. And what makes you think that Ben won't be able to come back? He has Jet Ray.

We're talking about Hal, not John.

I'm saying this again, Hal has no idea what powers Ben has. He has no idea that he can go intangible. That's gonna help Ben.

Not if XLR8 knocks him out before he can do anything.

Sonic cry is not nuclear blast. It hurts a specific part of body. Ear. Sonic cry had made Superman come down to his knees in past. Hal is not tanking that.

If he BFR's Ben then that constitutes a win. Even if it didn't, Ben would have no idea where Hal sent him if he ported him to the far reaches of the galaxy let alone how to get back to where they were.

They're powers are literally the same. The disparity comes in their skill and manner of fighting. If John can make a phase proof bubble, I don't see why Hal who has fought members of the Justice League and is more experienced than John can't do the same.

If he sees Big Chill go intangible(which he will, it's not like he's never seen anyone do that before) he can defend against it.

Hal's taken hits from Superman level characters and survived nukes. XLR8 is not gonna knock him out even with auto shields.

He can also do this which shouldn't be out of Hal's capability.

Nukes generate sound(deafening sound even depending on the intensity). Superman has superhearing and is more sensitive to high pitch sounds than Hal. Over and above this, he's been able to shield himself from Sonar before so Echo Echo shouldn't be that difficult to handle.

@juiceboks:

Lolwhat

If just throwing them into space constitutes a win Ben can very easily just go Ult. Way Big and lift Hal into space

gg I guess it's BFR

intangibility? teleportation? super speed? I guess Hal forgot his powers again...

@thedarklordpandamonium Ult. Way Big is just a bigger target for Hal to put a hole through(or K.O with a blast if that's too brutal).

@ancient_0f_days: @juiceboks

I was just pointing out the idiocy of considering throwing someone into orbit when they can get back and/or fight in space a win by BFR.

Hal Jordan curbstomps

@thedarklordpandamonium: then that was a bad example .... cus Hal can open wormholes.

That's the point

Both Ben and Hal can get back onto earth incredibly easily

Ben wins via feedbacks energy drain

I have never seen Ben in all his career teleport through hyperspace on his own power, Ben cannot escape BFR and your methods of "HOW" he can do so are more than vague ....

I was actually thinking of BFRing Ben while he's an alien(Feedback) that requires air to breathe or wouldn't be able to survive one second in the harsh environment. Obviously sending Ult Way Big into space would be useless.

Already shown why that wouldn't work.

...wait, so you're saying Ben 10, if thrown into space by Hal with the Master Control on, wouldn't be able to get back onto earth?

Uh...master control? If the alien dies it would be switched out.

Or are you proposing he somehow can? If so, I'd like to read it and see some proof...

I say Hal, it takes Ben forever to turn into a alien...and it usually just a minute of rotating camera angles, then a fireworks display followed by a musical number....

That's literally only happened once because Petrosapiens are so closely related to Crystalsapiens. If Ben goes unconsciousness due to lack of oxygen, then that's it for him.

@ancient_0f_days:

oh okay

http://www.watchcartoononline.com/ben-10-ultimate-alien-season-2-episode-2

Just click play and skip to 6:16. It's Jetray flying from earth, into space, and then going through hyperspace.

@thedarklordpandamonium: even so, he'd have to know which direction to go in in order to get back...it's not like if he just goes in a random direction after getting warped to god knows where, he's going to know where he is and the way to get back ... unless you can also prove he knows his way back to earth from lets say Oa, or that he can triangulate his position from anywhere ....

@juiceboks:

...what?

When Ben dies as an alien the omnitrix switches him out into the closest related alien. It was in Alien Force, Chromastone->Diamondhead. Not because they're closely related; Chromastone was dead so the ultimatrix switched Ben into Diamondhead and the Omnitrix can as well.

Also...any species that can't breath in space would die instantly from the vacuum. You know that, right?

It's not like Jetray could have possibly known where Baz-El was either...

@thedarklordpandamonium: he followed the general direction Baz-El went into....that was warp speed travel, Hal opens worm holes ....

Yea, it switched to Diamondhead because they're closely related. What alien is closely related to a Conductoid? Also, just because the Ultimatrix has that function(which would still constitute a win since he technically died), doesn't mean the Omnitrix has the same failsafe. Seeing as it has a timeout stipulation which would kinda go against the fact that Ben has a finite amount of time as an alien, I don't think it's safe to assume it does.

Would they die? Yea probably. Instantly? Who knows, I'm no expert on Conductoid anatomy.

You're ignoring the whole 'Omnitrix has a homing function' thing.

http://ben10.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Electrical_Aliens

Actually, sorry, the original prototype Omnitrix had that function. And the Ultimatrix/real Omnitrix were supposed to be flat-out better.

Also, considering the death of 1 alien as the death of Ben himself would be like considering the death of one of Hal's constructs the death of Hal himself.

Additionally...Eon? Clockwork? Would time manip work?

@thedarklordpandamonium: Eh.... Hal can manipulate time to a degree with his ring as well so I don't know if Eon's or Clockwork would work (on my android right now so I can't post scans)

Eon can stop time for everybody but the one he wants. He can freeze Hal in time.

Not in the New 52.

Though admittedly Hal has been screwing around with the Black Lanterns for a while and there's no real reason for him to be depowered after getting his original ring back in Volume 2, sooo...hmmm.

@thedarklordpandamonium: But the thing is though New 52 Hal history,like Batman's, has not changed much. If his history is still intact pre New 52 feats should still be usable. But meh whatever.

Home function? The one Azmuth used to find Ben? Really? You're using that? C'mon man?

@ancient_0f_days:

It has maps too, of basically the entire universe.

Ye but Hal's ring is from Sinestro's ring.

Despite the control process being changed by the Indigos, Hal's ring would still be inferior to the original.

I can't remember for the life of me if Hal took Sinestro's ring, thus giving him an actual GL ring instead of a construct GL ring.

@rbt: Hal has been able to escpae from a time warp before IIRC, he has also been able to slow time down to a fraction of a nanosecond.

I don't think a similar powerset is enough to assume a close relation to another species(especially considering Petrosapiens and Crystalsapiens have completely different powers and are more so related by anatomy and cultural history).

Any proof of that? Not saying you're wrong, it's just that that's only been shown to happen with the Ultimatrix.

Not really, Hal's contructs are an extension of himself and have no sentience. If Ben is hurt or K.Oed in alien form then the same happens to him in human form(like when he got his arm broken).

Clockwork is laughably slow and would get one shotted. Eon is a time traveling villain. I think it may have been retconned but Hal has time travelled before.

That was SA Jordan. Regular, un-amped Jordan hasn't done that in pre-52. I just checked everything after Yellow rings were introduced up until the end of Volume 2 of the new 52, no time warps.

I mean...*shrug* the function itself is that the prototype Omnitrix would change to the closest related alien. IDK what that is, but there obviously has to be one lol.

Also, it was in Alien Force, which was still with the prototype Omnitrix. The Ultimatrix was specifically better; the real Omnitrix lost the evolution feature iirc b/c Azmuth was like 'issa too dangerous!' but with 1 hour of prep Ben can easily be like 'yo Azmuth come fix up my Omnitrix so it has this function'. He doesn't have morals, after all.

Well obviously when he died in Alien form he didn't die as a human. I mean, he came back.

Clockwork is laughably slow lol. Also Ben got Eon as part of his powerset. And it was retconned, un-amped Hal hasn't done that after SA.

@thedarklordpandamonium: That is why I said IIRC because I was not sure.... Regardless Hal has been able to slow time down to within a nanosecond.

lol What did you check again?

So I'm not that into Hal himself so I only started after the yellow lantern corps were introduced other than Parallax

So I flipped through:

-Zero Hour

-Final Night

-Sinestro Corps War

-Rage of the Red Lanterns

-Agent Orange

-Blackest Night

-Brightest Day

-Krona's shenanigans

-New 52 Volume 1 Sinestro

-New 52 Volume 2 Revenge of Black Hand

-New 52 Volume 3 The End

aaaaand no escaping from time warps.

@thedarklordpandamonium: Hal has appeared in wayyy more then that pre new 52 lol. Regardless your right Hal has not escaped time waprs during the pre New 52 or post, but has has shown time manipulation, too, at least, a small degree (although he seldoms uses this ability).

Ben 10 wank strikes again, Hal Jordan stomps.

lol yeah I know

But those are his most interesting appearances with the toughest opponents and he didn't use them

And he is in character this time, soooo

Hal

I thought that hal would easily win here and wondered what all the debating was about, then I read the op again and saw that ben had master control. This battle is easily in Bens favor.

So, you saying that someone who's been able to slow down time by a fraction of NANOsecond can outmatch someone who's almost complete control over time and dimension? I don't think so. Anyways, that was Pre 52. New 52 has never done that. So, your argument is invalid.

Also, no one posted a scan of him trapping a intangible being in his shield. Unless you do, Big Chill easily wins. And how will he survive Water Hazard dehydrating him. Hal can't one shot him as well, seeing that he's almost invulnerable(said by Aggregor).

@rbt: As always in these Ben 10 threads your reaching.

1. As stated before, Hal history has not changed much at all (if any) in the New 52, so his feats should still be intact @Thedarklordpandamonium: So did Hal take Sinestro's ring or what? If he did his pre New 52 feats count if not, I admit he loses here. As for him not stopping time, that is why I brung up escaping a time warp but since he never did it Post crisis I guess Eon could be a probable win.

2. How is Big Chill supposed to work? Hal can control tempature with his ring and Hal can also turn intangible, not to mention a GL has been able to capture and energy being which is basicly intangible.

3. What is Wataerhazard going to do? Hal's ring will protect him from dehydration (seeing as how the ring replenishes Green Lanterns so they don't have to drink,sleep, breath or eat during space travel) and on top of that how is he supposed to do that when Hal has his auto shields on? Also just because Aggregor says it's invulnerable that still does not mean it's Superman level either. Both He-Man and She-Ra are stated to be "Invurnarable" and they both have been defeated and hurt from ray guns on multiple occasions. So I'm going to need to see some durability feats, not a statement.

@dccomicsrule2011:

Nope, Hal didn't take Sinestro's ring, just looked through The End, he's still using the inferior construct ring. That explains it.

And yeah he hasn't escaped a time warp against his most memorable opponents and in the most serious situations, soooo yeah Eon could be a win.

Hal has his own ring