Battle Of The Week: Ultron VS Cyborg Superman

Cyborg Superman respect thread:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/saren/blog/cyborg-superman-respect-thread/82737/

Ultron Chronology thread:

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/ultron-413/ultron-chronology-1491781/

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Ultron hacks him

Ultron hacks him with ease he hacked the entire phalanx easily so it isnt a problem

Ultron in a good fight. I have doubts either would hack the other, but I just find Ultron's energy projection, durability, and tactical prowess more impressive.

Based on what I've been reading in the other threads, I can't make a call just yet, it seems too evenly split. I'll wait for some arguments.

how does ultron hack him though? hank isn't just another AI and even then CS has hacked the source wall, a feat that surpasses the phalanx feat

Mismatch. Ultron stomps.

how is this a mismatch?

@supremeintelligence: He just hacks him.

how does he hack him though when he's not an AI? hank's consciousness is very alive not machine

Hank stomps. Tell me when Ultron can survive attacks from the Guardians of the Universe.

Also, @g2_, @dragonbellz, Hank's also organic, AND he hacked Apokolips tech, and the Source Wall. If anything, Ultron's technopathy is getting up showed.

@supremeintelligence: He got hacked ones, just let me bring some scans.

I can't picture a scenario where this doesn't come down to a combination of technopathy and combat capability. The notion of either hacking/assimilating the other is something I can't buy into, to my knowledge neither have every proven particularly vulnerable (on the contrary actually) and both are respectively exceptional technopaths, there isn't any decisive factor that inclines me to back one or the other in regards to technopathic ability. As far as a 1 v 1 brawl I'd back Henshaw, he's not as durable as Ultron but he's still sufficiently resilient to survive in a drag-out fight, however he's more diverse and adaptable than Ultron due to his less conventional technopathic capabilities and kryptonian abilities- I'm not sure if he has the potential to overcome Ultron's durability but with BFR as a win condition O can see a repeat of Doomsday's fate.

The only way I see Ultron winning is through hypnosis. Technopathy is canceled out, both are essentially immortal with the capacity for either being KO'd being really high and them being able to just transfer their conscious to any sort of machinery in the vicinity.

Going with Ultron

@g2_: @hittheassasin: @dragonbellz:

Please anuone show me an instance of Ultron hacking a non artificial intelligence that can simply assimilate matter and DNA to form to it?. No part of CS intellect is in anyway technologically based his energy simply inhabits whatever tech he wants.

Oh boy page 1 and hacking is already mentioned.

Cyborg Superman was beaten by having the planet he was on blow up depriving him of any tech to hop into. I'd imagine Ultron could replicate that.

Why not? Its a valid tactic that can be used by either of them

@brucerogers: Look up past debates between these two lol.

been done

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/ultron-vs-cyborg-superman-4642/

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/ultron-vs-cyborg-superman-1524228/

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/ultron-vs-cyborg-superman-1484051/

http://comicvine.gamespot.com/forums/battles-7/who-would-win-ultron-or-cyborg-superman-1480068/

I request that this thread be locked

@thorson: Battles of the week aren't bound by the dupe thread rules.

what a surprise...

Request denied.

NO

since when was ultron ever a planet buster?

@thorson: asking the BOTW thread to be lock. Been done.

Well you are clearly new to this neck of the CV woods. Welcome to the battle forums,

@highaccuser: He also survived a galaxy level explosion that he purposely tried to get killed by.

Even if that was a valid tactic, Ultron hasn't shown the capability to actually bust a planet and he'd need to outright kill Henshaw afterwards.

This fights close, but Henshaw is far too versatile with a ring to lose to this version of Ultron.

I think he meant to say that Henshaw can be beaten by depriving him of any tech to move on to. He doesn't literally need to blow up the planet.

@brucerogers:

its not valid for both when one doesnt have an artificial intelligence to hack.

Ultron has no feats of hacking a sentient non artificial intelligence so how can he do this?.

There are other ways Ultron could take a win, this isn't one. Also CS doesnt actually hack, his consciousness enters or absorbs tech (or what ever else he wants hense why he has Kryptonian DNA to begin with)

Have no idea why this is BoTW, I'll get a proper argument up later to just end this thread early

Don't know wether Ultron is being highly low balled or if CS is being wanked, this has no place being BoTW, just so one sided, there's nothing CS can do to even remotely hurt Ultron let alone Win

Unless someone shows me that Hank can hit intaginible opponents or break primary Adamantium then I see no reason for this thread to remain open

Not to mention Cyborg consistently has trouble with low herald level characters and Ultron no sells Silver Surfer + hundreds other at the same time with no damage

Just realised this isn't AoU version but regardless Phalanx still primary Admatnium body so it's the same. Honestly not seeing why Ultron can't take over like mentioned earlier, at best Hank is planetary Technopath whereas Phalanx Ultron already took over a Galaxy level Technopath

BoTW been going downhill lately

Inclined to say Ultron. Don't know why people are complaining about this thread in particular...

Hank gets a fancy new toy lol but in all seriousness Hank cannot be hacked, yes his body can be hacked but the real Hank will just move on. Ultron can be hacked and when he is, the A.I will be assimilated in to Henshaw's conscious or simply reprogrammed. Hank wins easily, though Ultron has greater firepower unless Hank has rings.

@beatboks1: i know you know your stuff but if your not that knowledgable about Ultron I'd Recomend not saying false statements just to make your argument look better

Paraxgora Was a sentient non artificial Technopath and Phalanx Ultron had no trouble taking him over

@royal_warrior: hank has taken control over the source wall. the source wall lies at the edge of every dc universe that separates the source from the multiverse with countless gods and entities trapped on it. that alone constitutes well above just planetary or galaxy level technopathy for that matter

@supremeintelligence: no he hasn't, he manipulated a small part of it and didn't do anything beyond Planetary, he only made an illusion and then survived by planting his conscious into a small part of the source wall

@g2_: delete your post please, did you really need to waste that much space over a 5 work question?

BOTW are made by Mods and one off battles to be decided by vote and the end of each week a article is made and then a next battle is made

@royal_warrior: controlling the source wall is above planetary. granted he didn't make the whole source wall move, as he didn't need to but source wall acts one consciousness and you can't simply just control part of it without controlling being able to control all of it. controlling the source wall alone is arguably more advanced than controlling the phalanx

@royal_warrior:

And in your own statement youd quantified how in a way that excludes CS. The character was a technopath that interfaces with technology. The same could be used on ironman with extremis. CS isnt he's a technomorph who incorporates tech into his form not interfaces with it.

My point is that Ulton interfaces with tech and that is how he controls it. To hach he would have to interface with Hank, but that simply isnt how hank works

@g2_: This is a BOTW.

Ok, I will delete it.

BOTW are made by Mods and one off battles to be decided by vote and the end of each week a article is made and then a next battle is made

That's stupid.

But what's the difference?

@g2_: They include popular battles and are opened until the week is over. The best arguments get posted and there's a poll.

@beatboks1: eh I'll give you that, though my argument around why Ultron would win wouldn't be by Technopathy, was just kinda pointing out he has taken over a non artificial Sentient being which you said he hadn't

@supremeintelligence: no it isn't, by your logic is I destroy a planet I've destroyed part of the universe thus making me Universal Threat. He didn't control the source wall it only manipulated a very small part of it

@never_give_up: Thanks for telling me.

Ultron destroys him. No way for Hank to do anything. I don't care if he survived attacks from Guardians. Not only that weaker attack damaged him but Guradians failed to put down much weaker opponents.

@royal_warrior: destroying and controlling are two separate things. you can't just relate them to one another and expect them to be the same

if I wanted to use mind control on someone I can't just control part of their minds and expect them to be enslaved. I have to control all of it hence all or nothing. like I said before the source wall acts as one consciousness and can only be controlled as one even if he only decided to move part of it.

regardless of the range of effect, the source wall is still more advanced than the phalanx and even if its just a small part

@royal_warrior: I've notbsaid who wins, simply that hacking doesnt give a win