@cf12793: quote:@senglord: The questions were hypothetical, I already know all of the stuff you mentioned. Really I was just nitpicking at the fact that they've put Batman close to Slade's level which to me is ridiculous because I feel as if a properly written Slade should have 0 trouble with Batman or any of his respected "Bat" family members. They could have gone either way with Slade, either upgrading his abilities year by year like they do with other characters, or they can downsize them. And they chose to downsize them. That's why people have trouble believing that he can take on the JLA without much trouble but barely take on Batman or Batgirl. Really the writing of the character is all over the place, but hey, he's a villain and villains are often like that." :end quote.
There is some issue with what a properly written Slade should even look like. If you go by the Slade from his early years like his fight with Batman, the fight would be quite consistent. This was a point when Bruce would take Hal Jordan's ring at will, disappear from Superman and Flash, and beat up Aquaman for goodness sake. The fact that Batman could also embarrass the Teen Titans should also be taken into account.
And the classic 1980's Slade was enhanced beyond human ability, but not so much that he was just superhuman. His strength and speed were nothing that Batman and the Bat family have not dealt with until that point. They have also dealt with experienced soldiers and lifelong elite fighters. Slade also wore armor that was well beyond most of Natman's non Justice League fights and encounters. Killer croc was stronger than Slade in the 1980s. Captain Boomerang was faster than Slade. But Batman could school both with little trouble. Lex was much smarter than DS and Batman, yet he has consistently been able to deduce and counter his plans.
Slade brings too many integrated physical advantages overall for Batman to win against legitimately in a straight hand to hand. But this is not a fight against Wolverine, this is a fight against 1980s Captain America. Batman would lose the hand to hand there too. With similar results.
Properly written should go with the more popular incarnation. And the Marv Wolfman incarnation has always been the best version as far as popular feats and storylines. He can take on teams of inexperienced superhumans using his enhancements and experience. He lost his legitimacy when he was suddenly able to surprise Superman with his physicals and take on experienced Justice League teams.
And a Slade with no memories, combat experience, or enhancements should have no chance of beating Batman the way he was being written in the mid 1990s. He was ripping out prison bats with his bare hands, chasing down cars, destroying choppers with batarangs, and all sorts of ridiculousness.
And his durability was not downsized in the first fight. He would get shot and stabbed and it would take time to heal. And Batman was hitting Slade with force that would incapacitate or kill an ordinary person. Esp when he swings into him at high velocity. The way that impact was displayed should have killed Slade if he were human. Instead he gets up, beats Bruce's a$$, and feels like crap. As he should. A fight against an elite martial artist that can kick down trees should be close to getting hit by a car.
And Slade is one of the few villains that are consistently made better over the years. He goes from needing prep to fight inexperienced Teen Titans, to soloing the JLA with almost no prep. He goes from getting bruised up beating down Batman, to pounding him twice without any training or powers. Really downgraded there. If you cannot see why so many people hate Slade for the majority of his high end feats, you need to check the feats of the people he has beat. Flash? After all the years he had tooled Wally when he was a kid, he was able to do it when he had a decade of being flash under his belt?!
Or ANY of his feats beating a Green Lantern being remotely legit? Kyle punching an enhanced metahuman with his fist is not PIS? Slade soloing the runaway ravagers after they showed some serious area effect powers? Backstabbing superman with Kryptonite? Fighting Lobo? Who could take on Apollo and Modnighter? Having more skills than Zealot? Look up her skills to see how wrong that was. Being able to beat up on Wonder Woman at all?
If his character was in any way shown as legitimately being of the level that you claim him to be, all these feats are reasonable. His enhancements put him in the league of a warrior with thousands of years of combat experience and Superman level stats. Who gets shot and wounded by no name characters regularly in ALL his titles. That is something that people forget about him. Slade was designed as a Captain America level street leveler. Taking him above that has always been a mistake. And the sales reflect that.
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