Batman Battle of the Month: Batman vs. Cyclops

And some people thought Batman Battles articles couldn't work.

Removing Cyclop's Visor or forcing him to remove his visor is a bad idea.

"Master Detective: He is widely considered as the World's Greatest Detective, capable of observation, forensic investigation, and inductive and deductive reasoning of the highest caliber. Human intuition is an unlearnable trait and one of Batman's most effective tools. Given any mystery, he can arrive at the correct conclusions with a fraction of the data"

@k4tzm4n The only thing I would change is to drop the poll aspect. Polls turn these things into popularity contests. Look at the Marvel vs DC Battles: Wolverine beat Lobo, Storm beat Wonder Woman, and Spider-Man beat Superboy...all because that's who the votes favoured.

At the very least I would suggest not creating the poll until after the debate period is over...but even then you'll get people that vote for their favourite character instead of looking at the battle objectively. If more people were truly objective about the battle I honestly believe the "too close to call" numbers would be a lot higher.

I agree with you.

I feel people are voting for Cyclops out of Bat-hate or X-Love - because you really have to stretch Scott's abilities (plural) to account for the lopsided discrepancy between him and Batman. So it goes both ways.

And it's posts like this that aren't helping the situation.

If this were, say, Batman vs Wolverine, or Daredevil, or John 117, or Captain America, or Gambit, or Psylocke you can chalk up anyone calling those fights anything remotely close to a stomp in Batman's favor as fanboy-ism. But in this contest that's not the case. There are just in some fights, at least on paper, Batman clearly has the upper-hand. Given the environment, the skill sets and skill levels this is clearly a one-sided contest.

Yeah, because Batman would never get the benefit of fanboy favouritism...

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/who-would-win-in-a-fight-1494418/#16

44% of people voted that Batman would beat Superman in a fight.

Go ahead and try to tell me the results would be the same if it were Superman vs Cyclops.

No problem k4tz!

Every character gets their respective fanboy favoritism, though. Batman just happens to have a lot more fans. Very few fanboys or haters of any character have a tough time being objective. That's the only way you can honestly explain Cyclops' 43% in this fight.

@jack_vii: Says you. I won't disagree with the notion that there are people saying Batman stomps or Cyclops stomps, and saying so because they are anti-Batman or just big X-fans. But to completely denote that there hasn't been any solid debating from both sides would be ludicrous. To sum it up to just X-loving or anti Batman is worse when they've given both characters their fair share of credit and have made valid cases for said characters.

Anyone who says either of these guys stomps the other in any situation is being a fanboy. Cyclops deserves the 43% he's been given in this fight and more.

I don't know, in terms of response, this has been a fantastic thread, and there has been some great arguments on both sides. But things have got heated at times if I'm being honest, and I would say the arguments made in Heroes for Hire vs the Spiders were just a bit more conclusive.

@shawnbaby: What I find funnier is the fact that in terms of just pure popularity, Cyclops vs Batman is just not comparable. Far more people like Batman. Unless you go on that X-Men board, majority of people are going to like Batman more. It's either that Batman got them into comics because of his exposure, or that A LOT of people don't like Cyclops. I've easily seen more people say Cyclops is a douchebag rather than actually like him as a character. And to be honest, even some Cyke haters have voted for him here after talking with users in the past. I don't think users like Jashro and Wolverine08 are biased despite feeling like Cyclops is being underestimated and Wolverine08 has expressed his dislike for Summers to me on many occasions. Just like I don't think CB and SuperSoldier are being biased here because the cases they made work. Even you acknowledged their cases or similar points made in favor of Bats are able to work, but you don't see it taking a majority let alone a stomp. You've always been very critical and blunt in your points, but never biased.

I just think a lot of these battles have so much potential to sway either way depending on a multitude of little factors that a truly 100% objective poll would see a much higher percentage fall into the "Too Close to Call" category. But it's always hard to be 100% objective. I know I struggle with it myself all the time. There's just always that part of me that wants to give "my guy" that extra 1 or 2 rounds out of 10. That's why good arguments from the other side are so important...it provides a counter to that. Supersoldier, CB, YNCBG, and a few others persuaded me from thinking Cyclops takes a solid majority to a slight one.

That's why I think the poll shouldn't be put up until after the arguments have been made...because I feel there's a lot of people like me that read some of these arguments and maybe adjusted their point of view a bit. Anyone who may have initially voted one way or the other might, after reading some of the really great arguments here, been swayed to the middle or possibly even over to the other side.

@shawnbaby: Agreed.

I knew Batman would lead in the vote (fan favorite and personally one of my favorite characters second to Spidey) with no prep though I can see Cyclops taking 6/10 possibly 7, very good tactically, and on his feet, and his optic blasts are very powerful.

@shawnbaby: If I had the ability to add a poll at a later date to a pre-existing thread, I'd do it. But, I'd instead have to create an all-new thread and then it's just a cluster. Besides, I blatantly say in the OP that people don't need to vote and I actually recommending doing research/reading the debate before voting. I'm sure people who vote without giving a damn wouldn't really bother to read if the poll was delayed, anyway.

@fivestarga: You agree with someone who clearly didn't read the rules?

True that.

Sadly.

Oh yeah; and you clearly aren't a Marvel fanboy with all your examples. Your argument loses some momentum when you try to use Bane and the Knightfall story as an example of Batman being week. Anyone familiar with the story knows the context of that fight had more to do with the days on end that Batman was fighting non-stop. Batman has fought Bane numerous times since and routinely stomps him. The Bane example is just as bad as the powerless Storm example since Cyclops was distracted by other worries and underestimated his opponent. As a MAJOR fan of both characters (Uncanny X-men is one of the only Marvel titles I still read) I think the fight would be extremely close. However, due to Cyclops having only ever worked in a team environment; I went with the character who had more solo fighting experience.

@god_spawn: Haha, I really don't hate Cyke now. I recently read a couple of issues of Brian Michael Bendis's Uncanny X-Men, and I admired Cyclops dedication to mutants. He's not a major favorite of mine, but he is a pretty good character. But whether we like Cyclops or not isn't what matters here. I think based on what I've read about Cyke's skills, the threat he poses to Batman is being underrated here.

I missed this debate? >_>

Well for the record I believe the fight can go either way, depending on several factors. But overall Cyclops should win unless things are stacked in Batman's favor.

@wolverine08: My mistake then. Things changed in a short amount of time lol. But, you did say he isn't a major favorite of yours, and my point still stands that he isn't a favorite of yours., and you came into this debating for him. You weren't biased.

That line there pretty much sums things up.

Dang it, I already posted, but yes, depowered storm did take on cyclops and, kind of win. Then again, depowered Cyclops outmaneuvered and beat all of the x-men through strategy. Storm only beat him because he refused to uncover his eyes after she took away his visor. Rather than being a teammate, this is a random encounter that became battle. Cyclops, before avx, could hit a pool ball without visor to hit every ball in pocket in one shot. Therefore, random encounter and not knowing what kind of danger batman is, he would be willing to hit him visor or no.

@jack_vii: Captain America is a super soldier. He was only quick enough to lift his shield, made of vibranium that absorbs enough energy to make a hit from Thor's hammer seem like nothing and yet was still knocked back about 20 yards.Batman is not on the same physical or reflexive level of Cap.

@robertloucksjr: No because in character, Cyclops won't let himself open his eyes and blast the **** out of Batman. This is all the time Bruce needs to KO him.